132:. This is original research. For something like this, there should be a number of articles on this topic in places like arxiv.org or citeseer, and/or there should be articles on this topic published in peer-reviewed philosophy journals. Knowledge articles should be on topics that lots of people are talking about, and not as a means of promoting one individuals new research. (However, I do envision the day when WP could open doors to orig. research; however, the number of basic physics/math pages would need to be 50x detailed than they are today. WP does not yet adequately cover basic topics).
213:. I looked at the hits on both the Google and the Yahoo search engines and they all seem to be either related to this very article in Knowledge or to an apparent press release sent out about the site in the external link. With one except: there is a link to the site at Zeal.com contributed by an editor "tom_m". It is just a coincidence that the eidtor of the journal is Tom Matz? I don't know but this doesn't seem to have much support out there.
349:, then it's significant enough to be catalogued (in an appropriately short, encyclopedic, and NPOV article). If someone could reasonably be expected to come to Knowledge asking what "space mixing theory" is, then keep it. If it's obscure enough that nobody would bother, then I don't see why it would be included. This was one of the main points of contention for
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many people. Not necessarily in reviewed journals, but in enough places that a NPOV article shouldn't count as "original work". For HT, the rebutting material can be found quite readily, mostly in the form of factual articles or texts on the relevant topics (ask on the HT VfD page or talk page for a list, as it's off-topic here). --
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Under the heading of "Physics" this is original research by far margin, compare scholar.google.com, the pre-print servers, or citebase. It may have minor but signifant followship in philosophy, as this area isn't so easy to decide using online sources, but the author should be required to demonstrate
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I feel that in the type of case you object to (if I understand your viewpoint correctly), it would be straightforward enough to delete such articles based on their being non-notable. If a crackpot theory has created enough of a stir to be notable, then arguments for and against will have been made by
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I'm pretty sure that many of us are not missing the point. WP isn't a collection of every crackpot "theory", and WP has no duty to help promote obscure nonsense. Notable crankery is encyclopedic just as nearly any notable subject is, but non-notable crankery should be squashed. Original research +
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Knowledge if I'm remembering which one it is correctly. I may take a stab at this in my copious free time if the article survives VfD.
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Original research/hoax. I can't find any independent mention of this online (google only yields references to author's website and wikipedia mirrors). Article doesn't make sense; the paper itself looks like a hoax (full of "If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it still
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should be reported in WP, but since it's notable, there will be more to say about it than simply echoing the crackpot's nonsense. I hope this makes my views on deleting this and other non-notable crackpottery more clear even if we don't agree on these points. I do appreciate your efforts trying to
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The reference at the bottom of the page promises to lead to a journal site. If so then it is an odd journal: it has only one article. A legitimate journal that publishes an article which lays out the principles of "space mixing theory" would hardly be called the "journal of space mixing theory": a
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I think that many of you are missing the point. It doesn't have to be true, respectable, or good science to be included. We have articles about flat-earthers, perpetual motion machines, and all sort of crackpot things. You have to apply accepted deletion standards, not scientific standards.
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Because if the VfD passes, it saves me the trouble of having to wrap my mind around yet another pseudoscientific pet theory, and of searching out valid external references. If I thought it was likely I'd find them, I'd do it, but it's not looking like much turned up when other users searched.
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it seems that this is a theory subcribed to by a handful of people at best. Most of the google results seem to be directories/listings of protosciences to which anyone could add anything. If its rewritten and widespread acceptance is verified, I could be persuaded to change my vote.
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to edit articles, with only a few restrictions for technical reasons, to improve them whilst VFD discussions are in progress. You have the opportunity to get 4 "original research" and 1 "unverifiable nonsense" votes struck through here.
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but what he does there I don't know and it is suspicious that his article does not give a Purdue affilliation. I believe this is "alternative physics". Ahah, we already mention the subject at
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reduce the amount of pseudo-scientific nonsense in WP. The crank articles created by others that you edit/rewrite aiming for NPOV are much improved by your hard work.
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