3007:, we have discussed on a couple of occasions the need to discuss the historiography of early Christianity, possibly in a separate article. On numerous occasions, I (and others) have stressed the need to keep that article a summary-level article, relegating the details to subsidiary articles. IMO, this approach is absolutely valid but it suffers from the fact that the historiography of early Christianity is currently dispersed across a number of articles and "the history of the history" is thus almost impossible to piece together from the existing articles. For example, if a reader didn't already know who Walter Bauer and Bart Ehrman were, it would take an intrepid and astute reader to figure out that they were important figures in the development of the modern historical perspective of early Christianity. Even if you disagree with their theories, it is important to know who they are (were) and what their theories are.
986:. One of its apparent advantages is the fact that it breaks down its rather large scope into a fairly large number of functional "subprojects", dealing with the largest regional and topical groupings. This allows for people whose primary interest is a particular field (in our case church) to concentrate on their area of interest. Do the rest of you think that this project would benefit from a similar organizational structure? If yes, the structure of the project might potentially be altered to allow greater focus on the following subjects. Any parties wishing to indicate their support should do so by adding their signature below the name of the listing. We would optimatlly like at least five names before starting a group.
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low) then the averaging formula being used would make it a low. This is not correct. Perhaps one could argue that if only one denomination made it a mid then the argument to make it a mid in the parent project is pretty weak. But what happens if two or three make it a mid? There should be a strenghening effect. (i.e., having several mids enforces that it should be a mid in the
Christianity project). I truly disagree that the article should be of low-importance. There are plenty of books just dedicated to Bucer (the same cannot be said of many articles that are already at mid-importance). --
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single article about them, so that even if people were working on the same topic, they might find that they aren't working on the same article. It might be possible to arrange some sort of topical collaboration, for, perhaps, working on developing the central articles related to a given subject like
Baptism, for instance, or maybe the Jehovah's Witnesses, or whatever. We could potentially use the popular pages printout and/or the articles including the topical template for the subject as a guideline for which articles to work on. Thoughts?
3183:("shepherd"). However, not even within modern Sweden, the two terms "kyrkoherde" and "pastor" are quite synonymous (although both are in use). On the other hand, in the Lutheran church of Germany, "Pastor" is almost synonymous with "Pfarrer". I suspect that the reason for this iwlinkage is the fact that "vicar" to-day often is used informally in a much broader sense within the Anglican church, and that some found this broad sense to be the closest in meaning to "kyrkoherde". Actually, probably historically either
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Christianity in history (e.g.Roman pagans, the crusades, the inquisitions/Jews/heretics, witches, natives)--individually and collectively (e.g. Christianity and
Violence, the Bible and Violence)--but I have been unable to find anything covering the many genuinely positive effects of Christianity on western culture. There is some justification for keeping the focus narrow in articles like Christianity and violence, but perhaps there should be an article that also has a narrow focus on things those articles exclude.
3168:, which means both some Lutheran and some Catholic priests within German-speaking areas. Now, partly this may be seen as just a question of lack of globalisation in both articles. However, the precise relation of the Anglican terminology to the differences in tithing makes direct translations slightly imprecise. Still, in this case I believe that the iwlinking is fairly reasonable; although I don't quite know how to introduce a section about the German Pfarrers into the parson article, or vice versa.
1625:). His method ended up ranking Bucer at low-importance. But if one takes the parent project definition that "Most people involved in Christianity will be rated in this level" then Bucer clearly is at mid-level importance. In addition Bucer is one of those rare cases who had an impact in several areas of Christianity, but was not a leader of any major denomination. So should he be placed at low-importance because of his ecumenical leanings? I would request a reassessment of Bucer's rating. --
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any project's importance evaluation, is basically irrelevant to them. Also, I notice that, on the list of 30,000 articles to be included in the next release version, however they were chosen, that article is not included. To be included in any release version requires having two "reviewers" review the article in question and approve its inclusion, and that article might have some difficulty, potentially, in getting two people approving it. But, like I said, feel free to nominate it anyway.
1240:, to deal with that subject which is of major importance to not only Christians but Jews and Moslems as well. This raises a possibly contentious point. It would certainly be possible that members of some non-Christian groups might object to content related to the Bible or other interreligious materials having the Christian content overemphasized, in terms of importance or amount of material in an article relating to the Christian content. For such content, however, there already is a
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trying to see that requests for various services, like peer review, assessment, portal upkeep, or whatever are performed when requested, or basically any number of other functions of the project and its various subprojects. Personally, I'd like to see if possible enough coordinators to ensure that each of the various related projects are kept active, as that would be the best way to ensure the workload doesn't get too heavy on those who are doing those tasks.
2595:. I hope that we can use this list to help "sort" which articles get used in which portals, and thus prevent the unfortunate possibility of one article being included in two different portals at the same time. As of this writing, the list still isn't done, but it should be finished by the end of the day. Any input from any portal maintainers regarding which articles they would like to include in their portals would be more than welcome. Thank you.
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2861:, are all included as subcategories of the relevant categories for priests. I have a few concerns about this, particularly as there is a good chance for creation of categories for other orders as well, because not all monks are in fact priests. Would the rest of you think that a separate category for members of religious orders and religious orders should maybe be created for use in categorizing these religious order categories?
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part of any "family" of denominations. However, feel free to propose any additions to the list, like
Catholicism, to the list, probably on the talk pages. However, specifically regarding the Eastern Catholic churches, they are all subunits of the Catholic Church, and as such don't need to be listed separately. Regarding the usefulness, please note that many/most of the denominations are included in one or more of the sets in
3073:'Christian', that is genuinely neutral in its point of view while discussing "positive" things like the founding of hospitals and universities and public education and so on, because when they are all put together--there is a lot to be said. Shouldn't these things also be in an article somewhere? How is anyone supposed to have an accurate understanding--how can Wiki claim neutrality--if some facts are excluded?
2490:, with subcats, have existed long before the page I just created did. The page was created only for the purpose of making it easier to determine what sort of "denominational families" various bodies have been seen by others as falling into, to make it easier to ensure that the main categories don't get too large and that everything is categorized in a way consistent with at least one reliable outside source.
2304:. The Orthodox group is a "all-in-one": you should divide at least in the four groups: Eastern Orthodox (Byzantine heritage), Oriental Orthodox, Churches of the East (Assyrian heritage) and Eastern Catholic Churches. I think that any classification of the Christian Churches (or denomination?) leads to harsh debates, polemics and clashes. What is the use of such classification? Is it strictly necessary?
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cases articles might be included because they address comparatively slight matters regarding a subject which aren't addressed elsewhere, but if people were to think that an article doesn't belong on the navigation template because it addresses to minor a point, then it might be possible to include some content on the topic of the article in one of the other articles that is on the template.
2672:. In the process of doing so, I am finding a rather large number of categories which are at best underpopulated, possibly likely to remain so for the near future. Many of these categories have as few as one or two articles. I would think it would probably serve the purposes of the project better if we had fewer such categories. One example of possible overcategorization might be
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of greater importance, but the details there might be problematic. I see that MILHIST awards "points" for the amount of improvement done on an article. Maybe we could award the monthly award based on number of points gained in that month, considering both amount of improvement and "centrality" of the article, giving a few more "points" to more important articles.
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its history, ritual and practices, structure, theology, etc., would probably be the next grade down. Other articles, dealing with ecumenical or nondenominational matters, would probably have to be discussed individually. Would any of you be interested in taking part in some discussion of the importance ratings for these "core" group articles and others?
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the content and other related materials, like templates, going with that subject. If there are 1,000 or more articles, then it would look to me like there were getting to be a dire need for a separate group, because that amount of content is almost impossible to manage without separate assessments. But that's just one persons thinking, of course.
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considers itself nearer to the
Orthodox Churches than to most Old Catholic Churches which has female clergy. If you want I can help you (I know the not-protestant churches), but I still dont see the need to create so many occasions of clashes. I suggest not to formalize any Wiki-classification of Churches: it involves too many and opposite POVs.
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here. That said, I am unsure Bucer meets that cut. His name is almost unknown among
Christians today outside of scholarly circles and his direct influence is difficult to see at this point. It is a great article and maybe one of Top importance to a "Reformation" project, but it would be no higher than "mid" here and I am fine with low, too.
1859:, because of its much longer history as a separate entity and, if I remember, higher numbers years ago might get ranked more highly than its current numbers would indicate. I'd also like to at least try to find a way to help the various "subprojects" to engage in importance assessments as well. If anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them.
1984:, an interested party could maybe use that book to help develop the more central, important article, while at the same time provide additional information on other notable topics in that field, either by expanding or creating articles on them. Having people work in that way would definitely help us in improving all our content.
1844:(Maybe we can also take nominations for articals that should be rated higher and at least 3 people from a committee need to agree. My main concern is to not rate (high) a bunch or articals that are important to a just partular Christianity denomation just because a lot of those Christians are here on Knowledge (XXG) to vote.)--
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One of the potentially easier things we could do as a project would be to try to help bring some of our articles up to GA or FA. If there are any GA reviewers out there, I think it might be useful if they could review the various B class articles we have and maybe give a quick review. We could try to
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has a "layered" set of subprojects, and copying their system might be the way to go here, allowing where indicated a "subproject" of a subproject to exist as well. Mechanically, adjusting the project banner to take into account that an article would fall within the scope of several groups wouldn't be
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has separate categories for each importance ranking within a quality ranking, so only, for instance, the Top-importance Stub articles will be found in that particular category. It might take some effort to try to adjust the banner to perform such actions, but would the rest of you think that it would
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Agreed. Part of the problem is, basically, the more important articles tend to get the greater number of useless edits. If we could find someway to collaboratively improve them, that might reduce the number of useless edits. Part of the problem I see with working on the "Mid" importance articles (or,
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We should probably move on folding
Iglesia ni Cristo back into the parent and I propose setting up an "Eastern Christianity wikiproject" with a scope including Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, Syriac Christianity of every kind, the Eastern Churches of the Roman Catholic Church, and the Assyrian
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Major "fields" within
Christianity might also be reasonably broken out into separate groups. I would think, up front, that this might include one for biographies of major Christians, Christian literature (fiction and non-theological), Christian theology (already extant), Christian graphic arts, maybe
3214:. Could one add sections about "Corresponding clergy in other countries", or should all be treated separately (so that ultimately each wp would contain one article named "kyrkoherde", another named "pfarrer" a third one named "vicar" ore "vikar", and so on)? Alternatively, should the articles about
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How about "Christian contributions to the development of western culture"--or does that sound like monetary contributions only? Maybe "Positive
Christian Impact in Western Culture"? I hate the word "positive"! Who defines what that means? It's descriptive, evaluative and subjective--but what else is
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And yet another idea occurs to me. There have been comments off and on over time about the project perhaps engaging in some sort of collaboration effort. The one downside I personally see to such a collaboration is the fact that very few, if any, important topics relevant to this project have only a
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I think the time may have come for new elections for people for the coordinator positions. If there is no substantial disagreement, I think maybe we might open up for nominations at the middle of the month, for elections to take place the first half of next month. Any opinions, positive or negative?
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instead, to reduce the amount of almost excessive categories. I would personally think that, in the event that there are directly relevant other categories which can replace these small categories, like the example above, that removing the small specific categories might be beneficial, and certainly
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Hi. I know a lot of you are going to be going into summer break from college, and a lot of others are just going to be going on vacation sometime in the summer. And what do a lot of people do on vacation? Well, they read something. Well, if you have any interest in any books relevant to
Christianity
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has been rather inactive lately. I have proposed that its scope be expanded a little, possibly to include Lewis' other fiction, possibly to cover the larger field of Christian fiction in general. Anyone who has an interest in working with any such subject is encouraged to make any comments they deem
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You may be correct in saying that the lists of denominations needs more work. I have tended to note that, in general, lists are updated less often than they need to be, particularly when the categories exist. However, saying that we need to do work elsewhere as well does not mean that there is no to
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of being a POV pusher, by all means do so. However, as the categories already exist, and were created by people other than me well before I created the list in question, I think it makes sense to give at least some idea which churches are recognized as being "related" to others. Like I said, though,
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As most of us know, there are a lot of books and sites dealing with matters of Christianity. Do the rest of you think that it would make any sense to try to generate lists of some of the better sources available for use by the various work group and projects out there? I think it would probably help
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That would be one way of going. Another alternative would be for "contributor of the month", based on some other criteria, whatever they might be. The details are clearly available for discussion. I personally think that it might be a good idea to give a little more recognition for articles that are
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And, for what it's worth, here's my reasoning for considering other, additional, groups. Basically, it seems to me that if there are already 100 articles on the subject, with the prospect of more, it would probably benefit the editors involved in that subject to have a separate group, to help manage
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has a page devoted to determining what "importance" grade to give articles. I suppose we could try to do the same thing. I think most of us would agree that any denomination/group would have its main article as the most important. The other, predictable, major subarticles on that group, dealing with
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This could potentially involve a lot of historiography is why I am asking you--and because it would be a big project and most likely too much for one person--and because I don't think this has been done and it needs to be done. It could give your historiography just the focus and purpose it needs.
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I'm setting up the pages for candidacy today, which will contain the procedural matters. Basically, what the coordinators try to do is keep the various projects and subprojects functioning as groups. This could include anything like just making sure the lists of FAs, GAs, etc., are kept current, or
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has to determine importance rankings. At the very least, we might be able to get a few people to help decide what the existing standards for the various importance levels are. Also, we could, potentially, consider not only the articles of greatest importance to Christianity, but also of the various
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I believe I am one of the few editors who bothers to rate project class (and often - if I have some knowledge of the subject - importance) on almost every article. I will say I do tend to use John's system. The "Top" class is open to debate in our Core topics group and I think those articles should
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We put the call out for members for Iglesia ni Cristo on a number of ocassions and got no takers. Fold it back for now. As for the Oriental Orthodox, calling them "Eastern Orthodox" would be a big error. However, they are a part of "Eastern Christianity" - as the portal and the current navbox point
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Agreed with Syriac Christianity. I think the Oriental Orthodox would object to being called "Eastern" Orthodox, but if we renamed that group "Christian Orthodoxy" or something similar they might have fewer objections. Regarding Iglesia ni Cristo, I have no objections to seeing that one disappear as
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One of the sticking points for a group of this size is the "importance" assessments for individual article. A member of a small, newish church will clearly consider his church, the "right" one, to be very important, while others will consider it less so, given its size and possibly comparative lack
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The system looks fine, but not every Knowledge (XXG) situartion needs or can handle the same level of detail as you have here. Gordon Melton, for example, developed the system for publishing his big fat (two) volumes, and often grouped them by heritage. Most Congregational/UCC churches,for example
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I think this is a great idea that I have already been using, but the navboxes are becoming very unpopular with some of the more influential editors. I suggest we create both a true navbox and an identical footer forr each project. The imposing navbox can be used on articles that lack infoboxes and
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You are of course free to nominate any article for inclusion into the release version yourself. However, as someone who has done a bit of work with that group, I can say that their criteria for inclusion do not necessarily reflect those of any existing WikiProject, so our importance evaluation, or
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Agree that there are probably other things to do that are of higher priority. But I raise this specific point for this article because I believe this article should make Knowledge (XXG) 1.0. No one has addressed the point I made that if two major denominations make it a mid (while others make it a
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mark these as "High" for the parent. If one or more subprojects score an article "High", it is probably "mid" here. Subproject's "mids" and "lows" are going to be "low" here, too. This is a guide and excepetions are made - an article of mid importance to a large portion of Christianity may be high
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The founder of the Iglesia ni Cristo group has been inactive for some time. At least one of the other members is an active administrator, and I've asked for his input as well as the other listed member, but right now there's 33% support of something to be done with that group. Regarding an Eastern
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and compiled them into this draft article. Since this initial draft represents only an hour or so of work, it is really still in the very early conceptual stages. The draft is a poorly-structured mish-mash of information and is in desperate need of an organizing framework. I invite all who are
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Well, 1) the subject of religion in the US is itself a POV because the world is bigger than the US. 2) such classification seems to be written looking mainly at the protestant denominations, but it lacks at all tools to classify not-protestant bodies (that perhaps dont interest the research of Mr
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Like I said, I knew there were omissions. And while noting that the Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox aren't subdivided, I also don't know that I see any particular OO churches. As a Roman Catholic myself, of course I consider it Christian, but it is a single entity, and as such not really a
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This may strike some of you as odd, I don't know. But I'm at least beginning to think that one of the best ways to deal with the articles of some of the churches or belief families that we work with which don't have a lot of interested editors is to create a navigation template for them which can
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Another possibility. I tend to think that, if an article is placed on the navigation template for a given subject, generally a church/denomination, that article should be of "Top" importance to the project. That would presumably be why the article was included in the template. I know that in some
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True, but that group only deals with the Top importance for the larger project, and it's a bit harder to determine what to place in some of the templates for the individual churches or other fields. And it also leaves alone the question of what counts as "High" importance to the parent project. I
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That possibility exists, if those new categories themselves have sufficient articles to make them viable. Right now I am just in the process of finding out what all categories are out there and then we'll have a better idea of just how many will have to be discussed. Based on what I can see now,
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or whichever significant faith family it may have arisen from, as well as links to the most important unique ideas or atypical ideas it might have, the most important individuals in the history of the movement, the various church bodies which might be involved, etc. I would think that only those
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I would really like to see the importance rating better defined. In my view taking into account the ratings from the individual projects will not work. The Christianity parent project should have its own general definitions for defining the importance of articles. This subject has come up in the
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Syriac Christianity and Oriental Orthodoxy, which I am more less the only active member of, could be folded with Eastern Orthodoxy and the Eastern Catholic churches into an Eastern Christianity Project ala the portal. Also, Iglesia ni Cristo is a project that exists to service a category with 18
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One of the repeated complaints I have run into concerning new atheism is the absence of an understanding of Christianity's positive impact on the development of modern western civilization. This is probably at least partly because there are multiple articles on the "big 5" negative screw-ups of
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Well, each classification is full of POVs. For example to consider the ECs as subunits of the Catholic Church is a terrible POV and it doesn't fit at all what such churches think of themselves. Or to create a sub-section "catholicism" is a POV: the Catholic Church (but this simply is a example)
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Actually, this might do some degree even help us avoid proliferation of groups for subject which don't have many specifically interested editors, because the template would effectively serve as a serious of links to the most important articles for people interested in developing content on that
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I don't understand what the deal with the POV is. It sounds like some editors think that any attempt to classify a religious body is POV, which would make it impossible on Knowledge (XXG). But I am wondering why the Church of God bodies have thier own section apart from the Pentecostal family?
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Basically, the way I think it would work best would be to see if there were sufficient interest in any of them to justify creating them. Some of them, like, maybe, Christian fiction, church architecture, etc., would probably be joint efforts with the other relevant projects, if they were ever
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I was actually thinking of Syriac Christianity myself. I would personally favor deactivation of it first, because Iglesia, for better or worse, is very clearly defined. Syriac Christianity is a collection of churches and other material which generally falls within the scope of other existing
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I want to find a way to present the positive contributions of Christianity without producing an article of Christian apologetics. There are many atheists who recognize the value of Christian contributions to society; there has to be a way to write about those things that is not specifically
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This project, like all projects, exists to help editors working to improve content. This includes such activities as assessment, peer review, copyediting, etc. It might very well be the case that either in general or for a specific article, we might best benefit if someone from some other,
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There are some trouble in coordinating articles about clergy in wikipedias from different languages, both within the various wp's, and especially in the interwikilinking. The reason is that clergy is organised different in different countries; not only depending on different varieties of
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One of the big problems we have with the number of articles we have is that many of us try to develop the more narrowly-focused articles rather than the more important, but more difficult, parent articles. If, for instance, I knew of an excellent, highly regarded overview book for the
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Remember, it is far more important to have a proper class assigned to an article than a proper importance, esp. once an aricle is out of the Top priority. It isn't worth a lot of debate. Right now 70%+ of all tagged project pages - almost 19,000 articles - have NO importance at all.
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Lastly, as several of you may have noticed, we have around, oh, 30,000 articles now. The minimal separation of articles done by the existing assessment categories doesn't make it particularly easy to find the better or worse articles at any particular importance ranking. I think
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the footer can be used on the other top articles in the series. I did this to great effect for Anglicanism and Ancient Egyptian Religion. Did you see the history of theologoy template I made last night? If you aprove of the links, I'll tag the articles as top for theology. --
2574:, by Frank S. Mead and Samuel Hill, Church of God bodies do not all share one history with themselves, much less some other family. I would think the idea is to group them by name for the sake of finding the intended Church of God, not that they would be alike otherwise. --
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articles which would be counted as "Top" importance to a dedicated group dealing with that subject, as those articles are the ones which are being linked to in that way from not only the "parent" article on the subject, but also all the other most significant articles.
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Christianity group/project, I could easily see that working. Maybe the best way to go is to propose mergers of the Oriental Orthodoxy and Syriac Christianity groups into the Eastern Orthodoxy Project. I'll go ahead with that now and see what kind of responses we get.
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Hi Richard! I wonder if we might combine our ideas. I have a sort of wild and crazy idea for an article--it's bold--it may be beyond bold--it may not be even doable--and yet, somehow, I can't get over feeling it should be. Let me overcome my anxiety and get to the
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could be made to include links to all the articles related to that subject which are most required to get a full and complete understanding of that subject. Pretty much by definition, this will include links to whatever the "parent" faiths would be, either
2699:. This dual categorization strikes me personally as being excessive. Would the rest of you think that these Anglican categories would be better placed in the main category of Christians by nationality, or the child category of Protestants by nationality?
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much of a problem, I think. And, remember, those are just suggestions. If there's not sufficient interest for a proposed group, but there is interest in a child group, it would certainly be possible the "child" group could be created before the "parent".
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I have very little involvement or knowledge of non-Protestant Christianity but Secisek's above comment sounds reasonalbe to me. Also if there are inactive groups then there is no reason to clutter Knowledge (XXG) with usless stuff. Just my opinion.
2649:. I'm hoping that only books that are either very well received as fiction and in some way relevant to Christianity or highly regarded as nonfiction sources for some subject relevant to Christianity get added there. Anyway, just an idea.
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I am sure there is some way to use this idea, but a lot of the "cental" Christianity articles have more edits than improvements already-- more heat than light. I think we need something to improve the mid-level importance articles more.
1261:. In some cases, help from Moslems, Zoroastrians, Hindus, and others might be useful as well. Also, at least potentially, those other groups might benefit from having some help from the Christianity projects as well. Perhaps, and I mean
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And I need someone else to tell me if I have gone completely off the deep end! :-) I have some--as you say--rough material--(without references posted with it)--in my sandbox if you are interested in taking a look before answering me.
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Is there intrest in these departments? I am not so sure. I was thinking of folding down at least one dead workgroup rather than creating more. Then again I was against the new banner until I saw how it worked in practice. Thoughts? --
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I wonder what the rest of you think of the idea of trying to put most of the content of the various portals we work with on automatic rotation. It might make it a bit easier to keep all of them current. And there are a lot of them:
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Is this doable? Is this a crazy idea? If it is titled "The impact of Christianity in western culture" both negative and positive will need to be discussed--would that be better or would that end up as a duplicate of the History of
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I think that the only way is to leave to each editor of a certain denomination to choose in which cats their body is, without formalizing any classification structure. Who will add/delete a cat shall justify his edit case by case.
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list also gives out individual lists for each subproject of Military history which has apparently requested it. Would the rest of you like to see more specific lists for some of the projects and work groups, and, if so, which?
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out at present. It they were all combined, the scope of an "Eastern Christianity project" would then match the portal and give the Eastern Christians that are part of the Roman Catholic Church a project, too. Just a thought.--
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2078:. Granted, as that is a comparatively new effort, its hard to tell how successful it will ultimately prove to be, but would the rest of you be interested in having something similar here? Any and all responses are welcome.
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The downside to trying that of course is that it would be a clear violation of wikipedia policy. We go by what the reliable sources about a body say, not what an involved person who may have a clear COI might say.
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bring some coordinated effort into bringing maybe the B class articles closest to GA up to that level, potentially helping out the articles and the visibility of the project, or projects, themselves. Any opinions?
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make things easier. I would personally think that, with the possible exception of the categories for major denominations, most of these categories should have at least three, possibly four articles to be kept.
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You probably know more about that field than I do, so I'm taking as a given all the articles you've included there. In general, I like the looks of the template, though. No objections to tagging from me!
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Before you attack these ideas... please keep in mind the idea here I want to show... not so much the particulars. This way an article that does not even exsist can be judged in advance for its importance.
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I assume that the attemt at justification for it would be the policy on complete categorization. I cannot find such a policy and think it is now gone as a policy-- all the more reason to remove some of
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The Assyrian heritage Churches are not even "Orthodox", they are just Assyrian (heritage). Gordon Melton, if I recall, calls that whole group-- "Orthodox"-- by the name "Liturgical: Eastern" instead. --
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also be the articles on the project nav box or footer. In the subprojects, this is also true - however every project will have "top" articles that are not in the parent's core topics. I would
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I have been working on this for quite some time. I will continue to do so and I support the idea. Part of what got me intrested in the projects was finding material for the portals. --
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Here and now I support, just remember the rename "Eastern Christianity". This already is the scope of the portal as well as a Nav-box and will hopefully be aceptable to all. --
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interested to review my draft and provide comments. I would particularly appreciate feedback concerning the organization of the article and any key topics that I have missed.
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Sorry for the length of the above. Any and all parties should feel free to respond or comment on these matters, regardless of how long things become.
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most such comments should be placed on the talk page of the list itself, so as to leave room on this page for all the other subjects. Thank you.
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Besides them sharing similar history, I'm not aware of anything that makes them much different from the other Southern Pentecostal bodies.
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being such. Working out the comparative importance rankings is something that would probably help the parent and descendant projects here.
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Hello, there is a discussion relevant to this WikiProject going on
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Hoiw about a Project group on Christian History? --
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