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editor can find a qualified source, but even the USAF themselves can be somewhat careless in these matters. However in most cases I am not guilty of introducing the problem, I am the editor who is trying to solve it. For instance do I leave a particular image that is at odds with the accompanying text, or shall I add some additional text that qualifies the image, thus helping the reader, but that I cannot 100% back-up with 'reliable' sources? I'm sure that I have read that Knowledge (XXG) is a work in progress (
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journalist (Chapman Pincher). But frequently it is just subtleties of aircraft markings e.g. 123 sqdn features a yellow fin flash on its aircraft, as seen in this image... In this second case I am somewhat relying on the person who added their caption to the image being knowledgeable and correct, although typically I check a variety of images from different photographers, and then select one image as a 'source' for the statement.
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and creating and contributing to related articles. My interest is in smaller wars that not as many people know about. But I want to discuss my ideas with all the people working on these projects, because I want to be a team player and not just jump in without consulting anyone. I want to be extremely
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Flickr ? Daily Mail ? I am getting impression that Flickr is one of the more acceptable sources for images, but where do we stand if those images contain snippets of information that I would like to incorporate into an article? In the case above, Flickr provides whole newspaper articles from a named
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I also find I am sometimes seemingly the only person to see an obvious mistake that was added to Knowledge (XXG) up to 20 years ago. Unless it isn't a mistake, it's just me? Who do I bounce my ideas off? The TeaHouse is good, but does it have the sort of honed expertise in aviation that I am looking
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sources, supporting the other with the tiniest snippet of information (because the current name of the airfield is different to that given in the 'reliable' source). Should I remove it, and leave everyone wondering which specific local airfield goes by that name? And BTW, by what dark & devious
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on their user talk pages because they may be the more likely members of the project to be working on your topics. Note that many list specific topics that they are most interested in. That might narrow down the list. You can also reply to me here saying you are notifying task force participants of
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must be a huge issue across Knowledge (XXG), not just for me. But I am also proceeding on the basis of making my own judgements as to what is reliable, and then waiting for some kick-back if I should overstep the mark. For example, on the issue of 'yellow fin flashes', of course it is better if an
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You're not the first and won't be the last to note glaring gaps in the Knowledge (XXG)'s coverage of a particular subject area. There was a major effort years ago to create articles on RAF bases, but it fell by the wayside, and one of the editors copied coyrighted text, resulting in some articles
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I will add that the Sino-Japanese war is comparatively obscure so it is unlikely many editors will want to jump in to begin with. However, my view (based more on general site policy than the specifics of this battle, since I also know little) is that since Wahreit, the other user in this content
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is indeed a huge issue across Knowledge (XXG). Nothing can be added without a reliable source. Military historians are generally comfortable with evaluating the relative merits of various sources, but it is worth noting that we prefer secondary sources to primary ones - the reverse of the usual
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Actually, right here/right now I cannot make the same connection that I did before in order to definitively identify the correct airfield from all those in the St. Omer area. I vaguely recall tracing through Adolf Galland, the unit he was flying with in 1941, and their unit history, possibly
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as a shortcut to using css to specify a background colour in something which isn't a comparison table. The lack of a legend doesn't help either. Without one, you have to read the text to deduce that pink rows indicate ships that were sunk which rather defeats the object of colouring the row.
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As a relatively new editor here at Knowledge (XXG), I have a bucket-load of questions relating to military aviation articles, many of which are probably issues that have been thrashed out before, but I don't know how to phrase my search criteria, or where to start. And if you use the phrase
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I have seen editors redirect some of these these articles to larger Knowledge (XXG) articles on Indian military history, which makes me wonder if they are making excessive individual articles. They have written a lot of articles in a very short time, some of which are:
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Both these users are the subject of active SPI requests. If you could keep an eye on the articles in the meantime that would be highly appreciated. I'm not sure who we have in the Indian content realm who could take a look at them purely from a content perspective,
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That said... I'd be lying if I said I'd never corrected/updated existing unsourced text with things that are true but not verified in RS yet. I'd just advise doing so selectively and on information that is entirely unobjectionable, particularly as a newer editor.
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Never mind the nuclear bombs, even the small article headed 'Buy Bowlers' is relevant - the 492nd Fighter Squadron, originally nicknamed 'The Madhatters' are these days known as 'The Bolars' (flight callsigns are limited to five letters, B-O-L-A-R, hence the
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being deleted or reduced to stubs again. Work awaits editors with the interest, knowledge and resources to deal with a subject area. All editors are volunteers, so they get to pick and choose their own assignments, which can make coverage very uneven.
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Does it really matter anymore? Knowledge (XXG) is going to do what it wants regardless. Arial Rocket Artillery was changed without any apparent discussion on its page. Removing capitalization is apparently the "in" thing to do these days.
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Also I see a lot of similarities between the Morriste War and the Waco Sigde, both being Christian apocalyptic cults facing off with government forces, so I used that as a background for how I would organize this info-box.
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to assert the 3rd Division's involvement. Niderost's article, published in December 2007, is un-cited and appears to have paraphrased the unsourced Japanese OOB from the 9 Aug 2007 or later revision of the wiki article:
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Yes there was the posse but it was supported by federal and territorial marshals as well as other local militias. Also, we should keep the United States as a combatant if federal forces were involved as US Marshals.
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I did find it interesting that the editor changed ARA with no discussion I can see. I've also seen this trend crop up in other (to me inappropriate) areas. Ignoring RS in this way feels like a dangerous trend.
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As of writing this, the article still erroneously states the IJA 3rd Division was involved using a handful of sources including Niderost's article and a recent book that also cites Niderost. I have a detailed
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The Japanese 3rd Division (one of the most elite IJA divisions at the time)..." "...enjoyed air and naval superiority, as well as access to armoured vehicles, likely Type 94 Te-Ke tankettes, and also Type 89
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dispute, hasn't replied to the talk page since late July, removing the claim you believe to be erroneous would be justified. If they revert without adding any comment to the TP, I'd suggest going to either
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Hello gentleman I am new to this, so please be patient with me. I am hoping to join your group, and the American Military history taskforce. Specifically. I have some ideas about adding to the
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more information was added. Neither of these edits had inline citations added but despite this the order of battle was left more or less unquestioned for well over a decade. It was not until
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as a reference, so I do not understand why that info-box has flags while this one does not. I understand why the US is a belligerent but why does it have flags and list so many leaders.
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You mean you didn't like how several addressed it right there in that section you started. Nobody denies that some reliable sources capitalize these terms; that's just not the point.
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Note that in the entries for 1502–1510, 1526, 1633–1634 and 1666–1671 the reference purports to support the line about who won, but there is no citation for the consequences.
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Reposted from coordinator page for wider coverage since other experienced users and those interested in the particular subject may be interested in this and wish to reply.
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new articles, I came across a new editor who has been making a lot of Indian military history articles on events that are not familiar to me (some seems small).
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your question here started with or ending with {{ping|Username 1|Username 2|...}} adding as many user names as you choose and all will get the message. See
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A couple more appeared the other day so I deleted them, thinking it was a formatting error or that they were relics of removed images. Thanks for the help.
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says "when in doubt, reliable reference works for capitalization conventions and other style matters may be useful." Has anyone consulted style guides like
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however I think that military info-box would be better than the one I used at Ruby Ridge. Anyway, what is the best way to organizes units in an info-box?
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when I took notice and updated it to reflect Japanese sources stating it was in fact not the IJA 3rd Division but rather the IJN's Shanghai SNLF.
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A week and not a single comment on this matter? Does nobody care about historical accuracy on subjects related to the Second Sino-Japanese War?
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has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the
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If you find an unsourced claim and cannot find anything that supports it with reliable sources, I think you should remove it. I also wouldn't
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Anyone familiar with this engagement of the ACW please cast your eye over the issue I describe and the edit I have made to resolve it.
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and I came to a problem where the units section of the info-box looks poor. Anyway I can improve it. I really like what I did with the
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Apparently the file is hosted here on en.wiki and not on the commons, meanwhile there definitely are several uploads available, e.g.
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The U.S. Marshals during this period didn't function in the same way they do now. You might want to reevaluate some of this, too.
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The best way to organise this case is not to include since the "units" appear to be synth - it was a posse - no more, no less.
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Talk:1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight#RfC_–_In_the_article_section_about_"Haifa",_should_the_following_paragraph_be_added?
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on RAF Biggin Hill and turning the redirect into a separate article. That's a common way in which new articles are created.
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situation in academic military history writing. If you have questions about sources, you can bring them here or to the
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Since then some editors have taken issue with this change—alleging the IJA 3rd Division was in fact involved and cited
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Thank you very much for the response and advice. It is highly appreciated. I will make some changes to the article.
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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/Strategy think tank/Statistics and observations division
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How do I put Leander-class cruiser (1931) into the sclass formula? Each time I try the 1931 trips me up. Thanks
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resorting to either French Knowledge (XXG), or the German version, or both? Maybe I should pull the whole edit?
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Right, it's a naming convention guideline, outside of the MOS. Not an important difference, but a difference.
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Is this article worthy of B-class or does it perhaps need improvement, and if it does, what should I improve?
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an active RAF Station (from date to date, often featuring WWII). It is now farmland (or something similar).
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The sources used in the article are questionable. It is difficult to assess whether this is not a hoax.
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Most excellent, thank you. I think I can see now what is going to occupy the next five years of my life.
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Or more precisely, the MOS tells us what to look for in RSs to decide style issues. It might "trump"
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Returning to the Daily Mail; again your comments were most helpful. A few weeks back I qualified for
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I have a feeling that another new editor who is also making a lot of new Indian MH articles, such as
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Can anyone help me with details of the military parade in London on 19 July 1919? Please reply at
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Does anyone know why the ship dates in the rows in pink are an extra space to the right? Thanks
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having their own listings; one article is about the building and the other about the airbase.
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I mean the updated info-box seams to simplify the event when it was a lot more complicated.
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Thanks. I was hesitant to do much with it since I did a great deal of work on that article.
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in the Bibliography has first and last round the wrong way, and is missing a year (2010?).
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and it's a B class article, so hardly an unchecked stub- or start- class. I'll list it at
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RS in favour of counting Ghits, to 'determine' that something is not a proper name.
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Would be great to get input from MH editors who are familiar with this topic area.
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Footnotes 5, 12, 15, 21, 31, 41, 46 and 51 seem to be citing the Knowledge (XXG)?
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is not a case of ignoring sources but tells us to look at usage across sources.
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about whether specific prose attributed to Benny Morris should be added to
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The image appears in the edit preview but not in full view. How strange.
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respectful to everyone's time and efforts. Please advice when possible.
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has stated the Japanese attackers were the IJA 3rd Division. Later at
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to be on the same line as the first line of text to its left? Thanks
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Notwithstanding these specific issues, where do I ask the questions?
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This is a bit of storm in a teacup, obviously, but I do note that
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You have come to the right place for military aviation expertise.
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hotel and spa, and yes, they are both the same historic building.
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Here's another question; how might I access old copies of the
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which is obviously the same location, but not the same thing.
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Here are a couple of hoary old chestnuts to kick-off with;
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Thanks, I had a look but missed the third pipe ;O( Regards
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German atrocities committed against Soviet prisoners of war
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Also we can move the the article for better organization.
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Australia, New Zealand and South Pacific military history
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that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.
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that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.
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List of armed conflicts involving Poland against Turkey
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etc. yet to see if/how they handle military equipment?
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