421:-A sampling of how often wine related article are being viewed. In this edition we are going to take a look at the 18 Top importance wine article, currently listed as being a start class. There is a strong likelihood that these are the articles that will first introduce people to the quality and depth of Knowledge (XXG)'s wine coverage. The type of first impression that these articles give will have a large influence on how often they'll come back to use our articles.
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Well, I know that there are about 4-5 right answers on this point in terms of wine books, but I'm going to go out of the way to sing the praises of national and regional wine board Web sites. Although the surface layers usually have empty, promotional language and meaningless Flash videos, I've found
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So, I guess what I'd like to see is more interactions between the two projects. Could we use dual-licensing to make transitioning text and images between the two projects easier? What about more inter-linking? Vinismo uses the
Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 license, which is very similar
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I also try to add pages on wines and wineries on
Vinismo whenever I drink a bottle of wine. Unlike Knowledge (XXG), Vinismo has articles on each and every bottle of wine we can find -- each year of each wine by each winery in the world. So that means that every time I drink a bottle of wine, I've got
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Vinismo was to give myself a chance to learn more about wines from remote places, and to go into other regions that I thought I knew about already in more depth. I think that's one of the great things about wikis: it gives us a chance to teach each other. And I've
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Since then, I've had a casual interest in wines, but I'd never been much of a connoisseur and had mostly bought by price. I think like a lot of people I'd ceded knowledge of wines to a select priesthood. We don't want to know more about wines because we think you have to be a well-trained expert just
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I think probably the big thing for me would be to see more collaboration between
Vinistos and Wiki Winos. I think that the two projects have a great complementary synergy: because WikiProject Wine is part of Knowledge (XXG), it shares the authority of the project as a whole. But I think that because
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Anyways, my wife brought home a bottle of dep wine late at night when the SAQ was closed, and I got real angry. "We can't have dep wine in the house! C'mon! I'm a wine guy now!" My wife wisely pointed out that she was the only one who'd see the bottle, but I burst out, "What if the neighbours see it
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I've always loved writing about 19th-century
American history and American geography. It's probably been the work that I've enjoyed most out of the encyclopedia. But I think the greatest part of my work here is piecemeal -- I correct grammar, spelling, and clumsy constructions when I see them. A few
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I like to think about the life of wine. How it's a living thing. I like to think about what was going on the year the grapes were growing; how the sun was shining; if it rained. I like to think about all the people who tended and picked the grapes. And if it's an old wine, how many of them must be
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Well, most of the editing that I do is on
Vinismo, not on Knowledge (XXG). But the type of articles that I find most interesting are geographical ones -- articles for wines of a particular country or region. It might be an American's fascination with the mysterious foreign concept of
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deleted within 24 hours. On top of that, I got a mean message from an admin, saying something to the effect of, "You obviously underestimate the kind of work needed to write an E2 entry, and you should reconsider contributing here." I was pretty mad; I felt like the
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some amazingly deep, complex statistics about wine production in different countries on their sites. Once you start digging into the parts of the site that are only for statisticians and wine importers, you can get some real nuggets of data that are very useful.
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on wine and wines, we can be a little more focused. Our requirements for notability are nowhere near as high as
Knowledge (XXG)'s; I think that it'd be unlikely to have an article about a single wine in Knowledge (XXG) (I could be wrong, though...), but it's
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My Greek grandfather was a home winemaker, using grapes he'd grown in his own backyard. His wine was pretty awful, but as a kid I thought it was pretty impressive that he could take this fruit from the garden and make it into something to drink at the
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I can't say. I think there are really just giant swathes of land with longtime traditions of making good wines that North
Americans and Europeans don't know about because they're made for domestic markets. We see it in places like
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to the GFDL in spirit but technically incompatible. I think that as those two licenses become compatible, based on
Wikimedia Foundation work on the matter, we can hope for easier portability of content between the two projects.
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this week, and I'm looking forward to digging into their domestically available wines. I think there's a whole lot there -- people like to turn up their noses at
Argentinian wine, but I think there's lots to discover in that
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that are missing infoboxes. In addition to be a quick and easy source of information for our readers, infoboxes will also be important for articles that the Project will want to take up to
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Sparkling wine is a subject that sparks the interest of many readers. What type of first impression do you think the article gives about Knowledge (XXG)'s wine articles?
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developer, and I also became a Knowledge (XXG) admin, so I guess I've stayed involved with this project, too. I guess at this point I'm pretty committed; I've been to
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that really could use some brushing up. Later on in the newsletter, I'll include some of these articles in our Traffic count section.
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the oldest in the US? Well that information is not currently in our Mission grape article which is
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200K possible articles for Vinismo -- in each language -- and it's good to keep writing them.
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wine articles to get them up to B-standard. There is a discussion about this going on at the
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