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That depends on whether or not Citizendium will be published under the GFDL or some other license. If it is, there's nothing to stop the project copying the database other than the fact that it'll make them appear as just another Knowledge mirror. From the sounds of it, Sanger is trying to build up
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The Citizendium (sit-ih-ZEN-dee-um), a "citizens' compendium of everything," will be an experimental new wiki project that combines public participation with gentle expert guidance. It will begin life as a "progressive fork" of Knowledge. But we expect it to take on a life of its own and, perhaps,
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Is it possible to prevent Knowledge (even though it is GFDL) to be downloaded and taken by Larry Sanger. This story is a really sad cause for Sanger. He tried for DigitalUniverse (which doesn't seem to work at all ... too complex) and now he is going to rip off wikipedia to make a citizendium, like
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in them. The last one seemed to just crash when i tried to load it up. Funding problem perhaps. Either way the solution is simply to ban IPs on wikipedia, not to rely on "experts" (and just where does one draw the line at what an expert is?) If only one expert with a phD in biology is around, does
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If Citizendium uses Knowledge content to create a fork, it will have to be published under the GFDL due to the terms of that license: 'You may copy and distribute a Modified Version of the Document under the conditions of sections 2 and 3 above, provided that you release the Modified Version under
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The project would be editable only by creating an account and providing a real name. "Authors" (as Citizendium "editors" are called) would be able to edit the site. "Editors" are experts who must provide credentials, and who resolve editing disputes on pages relating to their area of study.
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It is not a threat. We have reached to this level in more than five years, and it is not easy to duplicate us very fast: wikipedia has become a habit for many of us, and a shift shall be a difficult proposition for many wikipedians, including the "experts".
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to become the flagship of a new set of responsibly-managed free knowledge projects. We will avoid calling it an "encyclopedia," because there will probably always be articles in the resource that have not been vouched for in any sense.
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that mean say, their controversial view on eugenics (made up example) would become fact because only they are expert enough to do it? This is just ego and desperate fumbling for recognition against mediocrity--
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Why not make "something completely different" rather than "same as Knowledge with tweaking and components from Wikisource": will the experts be named etc.
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According to the Citizendium article's refs, the fork has been covered in The Register, although I haven't looked at the article myself. +
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under the GFDL, which'd allow us to copy their efforts back onto here (if the project actually gets off the ground, of course.)
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The announcement was not accompanied by a great deal of press attention; at press time, a
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He's been trying different ideas based on this for a while, all fail because of no
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was the closest to mainstream media coverage that the project had received.
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Well, damn me if Citizendium is not exactly what I proposed
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titty portal"; that's not something I would ever endorse.
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that is a really sad attempt to stay in the wiki business.
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the resource from scratch. To be honest, I hope the site
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The project is, according to Sanger, independent of
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