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suggests that "whoever took the quote from Feyerabend could not have read the rest of the entry in Knowledge (XXG), as he would have realized that the meaning of Ratzinger’s statement is exactly the opposite of what the 67 claimed the Pope was saying", and "that no man of science would use as an
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of the Knowledge (XXG) article, which had been altered considerably by a series of changes on January 15th. However, the petition had already been written before that date, and did accurately reflect the state of the Knowledge (XXG) article as it stood at the time when the petition was written.
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or the articles it cites, rather than Knowledge (XXG), plausibly could have been the source the scientists used. Ratzinger did in fact repeat the speech several times in different cities about this time, and it is possible that the slight difference in the wordings of the quote might reflect a
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in versions from the time of the petition's origin, around January 13. (The wordings differ by a single tense change.) The quotation in Knowledge (XXG), which differed slightly from the text in the cited published version of the speech (this difference was not noted by
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dates the La Sapienza speech to March 15, 1990, the same date on which the Knowledge (XXG) article and the scientists' petition say it was delivered in Parma. However, Ratzinger's 1992 book,
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article in arguing their case against the Pope. A petition against the visit was signed by 67 scientists, sparking student protests and leading to the cancellation of the speech.
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Paul Feyerabend's autobiography states that Ratzinger gave a speech on this topic in Parma in 1990, but does not specify the date.
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The scientists' letter quoted then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in a 1990 speech as agreeing with philosopher of science
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s accusation that the quotation in the scientists' petition was taken out of context also seems to be based on
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The earlier Knowledge (XXG) account, including the quote, may have been derived from others, such as
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Thank, Pharos. And thanks for your input on the suggestions page before, as well.--
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exclusive source for his research, unless he checked the veracity of the content."
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The account of Ratzinger's speech in the petition letter nearly matches a part of
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Vatican claims out-of-context Knowledge (XXG) quote was used to attack Pope
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relied on out-of-context information from the Italian Knowledge (XXG)'s
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This article is inaccurate on a couple of points; I'll try to fix it.--
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to suspect that the scientists had relied on Knowledge (XXG).
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accurately reflects those articles is unknown at this time—
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