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always work under pressure, but a PR can be more lesiurely. I used to worry time spent on PR was taking away from my other contributions, but I don't see it that way anymore. I am much better at seeing problems on a quick read, so if I don't look at an article I am working on for several days, I find things to fix, clarify or improve when I come back to it. The big picture helps – I could never write more than a stub on many of the topics I review, but many articles I have reviewed are now GA and FA, and I played a small part in improving them. I run across really interesting articles and editors doing PR. I will see new editing and template tricks or clever ideas on how to structure an article. When I need a peer review myself, I can ask a lot of editors to return the favor.
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Expertise can be a problem for both PR requesters and PR reviewers. Some requesters ask for very specific items (a made up example – "Will all particle physicists fluent in Latvian, Urdu, and Cantonese check the translations please?"). Some off-the-wall requests get very specific answers, but perhaps
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As for what drew me, I had done some things on the internet before and found interesting websites, but many of those efforts had disappeared – the fact that Knowledge (XXG) was here to stay was attractive to me, even if my edits were changed or removed over time. I remember making a map fairly early
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While I do a lot of PRs, there are many other editors who also help a lot with the backlog - should they be thanked in some way? The Rambling Man did as many as I did or more for the first several months and still helps out some, Giggy, Finetooth, Dabomb87 - I do worry about forgetting someone if I
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The most effective thing is dialog – peer review should be a conversation about improving an article. Unfortunately, when PRs are archived with no replies to the reviewer's comments, it discourages reviewers. It may look like the review was done in vain, but often the suggestions have been used to
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in the whole PR process, we have tried some tweaks to help relieve pressure on them: no more than one peer review request per user per day (a user once made ten requests in one day); no more than four open PR requests per user; and a two-week waiting period between peer review requests for a given
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problems, not necessarily fix them, so "I know this has comma splice issues, and the references need to be converted to cite templates ..." is less likely to get a response than "I have tried to fix the comma splices, but could someone check for those, and could someone convert one of the refs to
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The most obvious is an appreciation of the whole review process – not just Peer review, but also the Good article, Featured article and Featured list candidates. It helps to get more eyes looking at an article and suggesting things to improve or fix. At PR, there is no deadline – GAN and FAC are
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ran the semi-automated peer review (SAPR) on it and then there was nothing. I made a plea for a review and AndyZ kindly came back and reviewed it too. The process was very helpful and when AndyZ took two wikibreaks I did the SAPRs for him by hand (I have the script). This was tedious, so AndyZ
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Listing several things the requester already knows are wrong with the article can also put off potential reviewers (who might think "Why should I weigh in, they already know the problems with the article?"). Try to fix the known problems first, then ask for a review. PR is a place to identify
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Let's talk about peer review more. You touched on what you think can be done about improving peer review above. What, if anything, do you think puts people off of peer review (aside from the "work" aspect), and what could be done to cause some sort of positive
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Many new editors worry they are not experienced enough to do a peer review, or about making a mistake. Peer Review is a place where it is easy to start small: any constructive comments are helpful and you can literally leave one sentence and help improve an
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Yes, as long as I have been involved in Peer review there has always been a lack of reviewers. In August 2007, a thread on the PR talk page called the process dead for just such reasons. Things have gotten better since the December 2007 introduction of the
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and known by anyone who participates in peer review, the process (like many others on Knowledge (XXG)) is somewhat limited by a lack of active participants (in this case reviewers.) From your experience, has this always been the
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Concrete examples of problems help – if an article needs references, I point out a paragraph or section that has none. One problem here is that people sometimes fix only the cited examples and ignore the other
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are better suited for that. Many reviewers won't comment on articles outside of their areas of interest and/or expertise either. I think reviewers can comment on any article as an article – does it meet the
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I also took out the "How does PR help writing FAs?" question, but if you think it is needed, I could answer some sort of "How does doing PR help you with your own contributions?" or something similar.
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who makes sure every peer review gets some input". I am not trying to toot my own horn, but it seems if that is the reason I was interviewed in the first place, perhaps it should be in the piece.
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The problem is always what to do if you leave someone out :-) If you want to work them in, certainly we can, but I think the risk of offending someone by leaving them out is problematic.
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I originally thought this would be a "Focus on Peer Review" article for the Signpost. I am OK with it being an interview with me, but should it say somewhere (quoting
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Today's the publication deadline (although the Signpost usually publishes a few days late); are you going to get to that additional question, or should I delete it?
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Requesters who list any special concerns are helpful too. I look for a certain set of things initially, and might miss other concerns if they are not in the request.
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I just put in a general statement thanking everone who does PRs - feel free to tweak or remove it if needed. Also caught a few rough spots and fixed them earlier.
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took over archiving peer reviews (thanks again to Carl), and has done a great job. Neither the bot nor I have archived a "no response" PR request since March 15.
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Here are two each of a creek, a park and a bridge - pick what you like (the Cogan House CB is a twofer - also get FA Larrys Creek in the picture)
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It probably won't publish until the 17th or 18th (maybe later), so we have more time if you have more to say. Shall I add that question?
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My plea to anyone who has read this is to get involved in Peer review. Sign up to review in your areas of interest at
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The ultimate solution is to convince more users who request a review of any kind to also do reviews in return.
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I came across via "Random article". Although the article was eventually deleted and I was accused of being a
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as well as other topics. Ruhrfisch is an example of an editor who not only contributes to Knowledge (XXG)'s
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for peer reviews that were at least a week old and had no responses beyond a SAPR – an idea stolen from
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lol. Nothing has changed, i assure you. People are being driven away by this sort of stuff every day.
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Thanks, I somehow thought I had to the 18th. I just answered the last question. Feel free to tweak,
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How does your participation at Peer review help you with your own contributions to Wiki articles?
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on and being told to make sure it was correct, as it was as close to immortality as I would know.
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Ruhrfisch, can you give me some images from your FAs that might go well here? Two or three ...
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Although the article was eventually deleted and I was accused of being a sockpuppet
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You first edited under your username on July 8, 2005; what drew you to the project?
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I am sorry this has happened to you - I hope you sign up and try again,
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account, and I have done almost all of the SAPRs since September 2007.
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during all this – I doubt I would have stayed had it not been for him.
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In December 2007, Peer review went to a different system thanks to
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Yes please - if it is too much, it can always be cut out. Thanks,
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Sorry, I'm used to cutting and pasting rather than moving :P
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Free images, how about a Park, a bridge and a third choice?
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What factors help make a Peer review more effective?
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