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211:, with editors endorsing or rejecting them by adding their signature. Popular rules would be written up on separate pages, with anyone free to amend and suggest simply by editing the text. These rules were drafted in order to ensure the project could meet its stated goal of creating "a 💕--indeed, the largest encyclopedia in history, both in terms of breadth and in terms of depth. We also want Knowledge (XXG) to become a reliable resource." 1070: 117: 107: 33: 127: 87: 137: 97: 346:
Your writer has trawled the deletion debates opened and closed in the last week and presents these debates for your edification. Either they generated larger than average response, centred on policy in an illuminating way, or otherwise just jumped out as of interest. Feel free to suggest interesting
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pointing out in an impassioned argument to keep that "t the same time as one group of editors is effusing over these articles and awarding them coveted featured article status, another group of editors is 'policy wonking' i.e. trying to get the pages deleted on fine nuances of guidelines. Bizarre!
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countered "that a change to POLICY and some major guidelines can often cause widespread troubles that the few people making the change don't consider or foresee." While Blueboar argued that 'he point of "discuss first" is that you can often avoid rigidity in the first place' M stated the opposite,
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proposes we make it clear that it "is conventionally not capitalized, even when it is (or could be regarded as) part of a proper name: the United Kingdom, the Hebrides, the President of the United States." While there is consensus on some sort of standard, there is no consensus as to appropriate
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I think there should be some sort of mention that the Naming Convention debate is almost completely centered on a debate growing vitriolic by a few users who have taken some deep-seated issues (of unclear origins, to be honest) against the naming convention adopted by WP:PLANTS.
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like the proposal, adding that Anxietycello was "absolutely right about the hodgepodge of the current interface. It needs developing but it's a good start." Further revisions based on suggestions at the village pump were made to the draft before it was posted to the
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What we have here is a unique set of pages; informative, accurate, well sourced, objective, and tolerably well written. If all the time spent on this discussion was spent on writing new material how much better would the project be?" Attempting to remain neutral,
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Just like to say that I find this column incredibly useful in keeping me informed of all the stuff going on around WP without having to spend hours a day reading them all. It has to be a lot of working writing this section, so thank you!
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was that "Knowledge (XXG) articles are given the name that the greatest number of English-speaking readers would expect in a reliable source. Naming is for the benefit of readers over editors, and for a general audience over specialists."
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we aren't creating an article for every season for every player in every sport. These are 15 articles on the most important season for the most important players for one sport. Entire books have been published on this one
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opened a discussion about the best way to "save" an article listed for deletion, noting that "ome editors claim that they would be better able to improve articles if they didn't have to defend them against deletion."
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Where a particular WikiProject reaches a consensus on some particular naming convention, is is de facto the case that their naming convention supersedes the general principle of WP:COMMONNAME.
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Debate now continues as to whether there is a logical loop in the relationship between the Naming Convention policy and separate Naming Convention guidelines. This loop is caused by text at
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affected requests for user talk pages to be deleted. MZMcBride felt there "some sort of consistency. Currently it seems to depend entirely on who the admin going through the category is."
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offering anecdotal evidence that "at least one admin ... does not look at the articles under discussion when he closes AfDs, but only the discussion." GTBacchus responded strongly, stating
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seemed most concerned with "the precedent being set here", noting that "the level of detail here is excruciating and absolutely astonishing" and would therefore seem to contradict
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is subject to a deletion debate, although during the debate the article was moved such that the title, topic and contents are now completely different from the nominated version.
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argues for a re-listing, stating the "present page is not a BLP violation nor an attack page. That it might 'easily venture into BLP problems' can be said of any BLP."
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The following is a brief overview of new discussions taking place on the English Knowledge (XXG). For older, yet possibly active, discussions please see
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disagreed with what they depicted as an "extra hoop for people to go through in order to edit any project pages that happen to be policies", to which
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debated whether mistakes in policy should be corrected immediately or whether a discussion over the nature of the mistake was more appropriate first.
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a similar debate is playing out, as a rewrite of the page has foundered over whether to remove guidance that editors can edit policy directly.
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regarded the general consensus to be that "user talk pages shouldn't be speedied; where deletion is required, they should be referred to
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There is much debate over the purpose of our policy on Naming Conventions, largely initiated by attempts to revise the wording.
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On the one hand, this is a horrendous precedent, but on the other, enough sources exist that four of the articles are featured.
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suggested adding "a statement at the top of all AFDs: All articles which are deleted can be userfied by request by admin."
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felt "he name of an article should be optimised to be as acceptable as possible to as much of its audience as possible."
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is trying to develop a featured topic on the 1948 'Invincibles' cricket team". WikiProject Cricket is also listing
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help you stop them, if you bring it to my attention. It's unacceptable; someone doing that should not have the mop.
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I hadn't noticed that, apologies. Which section of the page should I look to for this portion of the debate?
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has seen a Facebook campaign by the subject in order to keep the article. The article has been nominated by
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Currently, across Knowledge (XXG) there are a number of discussions regarding the ability of editors to make
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suggested "some sort of an 'AFD reset' button if someone has changed a certain percentage of an article".
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A round up of polls spotted by your writer in the last seven days or so, bearing in mind of course that
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Debating the fact that some of the articles nominated are amongst Knowledge (XXG)'s Featured Content,
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Sam Loxton with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948
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The renaming of categories related to bilateral relations to use a longdash has been proposed at
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that '"discuss first" does not avoid rigidity, it condones and offers support for it'. Over at
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rejected after finding no discussion. In the same edit Kim Bruning marked the page a policy,
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noted that our policies are ever evolving and changing from its start on 1 November 2001 by
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There is a debate at T(t)he Manual of Style over when to capitalise the definite article.
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Historically, Knowledge (XXG)'s rules to follow, as they were then known, were proposed at
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wording as yet, and there is some discussion over possible exceptions such as band names.
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Knowledge (XXG):Village pump (all)#Making our editing interface more clear and helpful
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believes that "there was no possible way this article could ever be NPOV compliant."
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Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion/Log/2009 September 5#Bilateral relations
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/List of stock characters in science fiction
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a change to the wording of the Indefinite block section has been suggested by
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Norton Canes services (2nd nomination)
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has been re-listed due to lack of comments. Your writer takes offence!
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Crater categories are discussed again with the proposed renaming of
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Reports of organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in China
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wrote a brief description on 4 October 2003. On 29 October 2005
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is nominated for deletion as being an "irrelevant useless essay".
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make Knowledge (XXG) creep slowly closer to being a directory?
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debates whether such a list is warranted as a navigation aid.
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User:Stevertigo/Obama and accusations of National Socialism
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Admins who close AfDs by nose-count need to be stopped. I
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The discussion also took in administrator behaviour, with
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based on irredentist views of a particular ethnic group
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Opinion is split on whether to keep, merge or delete
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