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MEDRS is not supposed to work that way, and is only supposed to cover health claims. For example, sociological issues related to diabetes are out of the scope of MEDRS, and organic farming practices are likewise out of scope. Discussions of purported health benefits of eating organic food are in the
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which features either his research or his death. I do sometimes rely on scientific journals but the problem is is that
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No, I was talking about BLP's on physicians since in numerous of cases I get into contact with the subject while writing about him/her. As far as expertise go, maybe we didn't understood each other here. What I tried to say was that we don't have (or at least we trying to avoid) subjects that edit
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in in their remit so it should comply to their MEDRS-rules. The fact that organic food has more to do with agriculture is ignored with the claim to prevalence of MEDRS. Very frustrating.
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