655:(XXG), have formed. I reverted an editor once a few months ago only to find that an admin who protected that editorâs edits blocked me for âedit warringâ. I explained my case and was eventually exonerated, but it was a tense time. While I was blocked, I found out that this admin had done this to multiple other editors over the previous four months. Thatâs an extreme case. On the association football side, everyone has run into the mindset that is controlled by a few long-term editors about how the articles should appear and information should be presented. They have permitted articles to exist for certain teams because a rule was created years ago that determines whether a club is or is not notable. It makes perfect sense in areas where clubs that in lower ranks are fully professional, but not in North America. So articles exists for clubs that should probably be deleted because of that rule. Similarly, articles exist for some players that probably should not and donât exist for players that probably should have them all because they determine whether the article fits into a flawed criteria, not if the subject is or is not notable. I have probably been guilty of that on the music front where some new editors want some particular information displayed at the template at the top of the article (the
1632:. Most of it was in blogs and I'm not sure how Knowledge (XXG) would view them as reliable sources but one source, which I couldn't access online without a subscription, I can see on paper at the library where I was today. I can still provide a URL of the article, I guess. The short version is that contemporary worship and its music are on the decline, and its biggest supporters are actually older. Some young people don't know anything else and one comment (in the blog, not a comment about the blog) was that this is a shame (and I forget whether this is the person writing or someone interviewed). Again, I am not saying anything that I have found in a reliable source, and I haven't seen the actual paper magazine yet, although it is dated 2011. More on this subject will have to be found, but I think it's an important development.â
1489:. So I don't see a problem with that particular redirect. I'm not sure what your other criticism is about. I do welcome criticism of my writing, because as much as I may initially feel disappointed, it motivates me to write better. I will note that the interview is about the WikiProject, not Christian music. Secondly, the content after my write-up is mainly up to the interviewees to contribute. Finally, this WikiProject Report was rather unorthodox in that I included questions about the editors' activities outside the WikiProject. I experimented with a more holistic and personal approach, letting the editors talk about themselves and some of their other interests more than a conventional WikiProject report might. I do not know if I would take this approach again if I ever do another WikiProject Report.--
755:, in 2010, I took it on myself to write a small program that would convert the daily results into something that could be used on Knowledge (XXG). The top leagues usually get a lot of attention, but that year, a lower league had better and faster updates because of that. I made changes to one article in 2005 that has remained in that article unchanged. It has made that article a good example and I have seen people reference it in other discussions on the subject. Itâs also a large table of numbers and so itâs been a target for people trying to test if they can edit Knowledge (XXG) over the years thinking that a small change will go unnoticed. It doesnât. One other early edit was to the 1981 Daniel Amos article
889:: The Christian Music project has informally broken into areas of specialties and there is the âcontemporary Christian musicâ workforce. On this project, one editor is excellent at finding sources and creating new articles that meet Knowledge (XXG) standards. I have turned to him to help gather sources when Iâm not sure about a topic myself. The general music project has divided into genre-specific groups, Christian Music and CCM being two, but other genres as well. There are also special groups who focus on recordings and how to present them. I have been very active on the
630:: I think itâs harder for people to enter the âcommunityâ of editors now. When I started, you could try to improve articles and almost all content additions were accepted. Now, much of it is deleted if itâs not referenced, and if not deleted, itâs marked as needing references. It makes me sad to see people who just want to share things theyâre excited about be kicked down. I recognize the rules (we call them policies, guidelines and manuals of style) but some find it easier to enforce the rules rather than extend grace. For instance, many
992:: Finding and retaining women contributors is a well-written answer to that question. Getting any newcomer to stay should be a pressing need. I imagine it would be very hard to be a newcomer. Consider the difficulty to learn the markup, all of the rules that I see veterans using to revert their editing, learning inline citations an article, and how many get their first articles nominated for deletion. The best thing that veterans should do is to offer to mentor new contributors. Help by improving their articles to
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422:: Well, it just simply goes hand-and-hand with my faith, and is something where it would naturally coincide with my beliefs. I am not nitpicky with regards to articles in the Christian music sector that merit articles on this encyclopedia. I am a lover of all music especially with messages about God and Jesus Christ.
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379:: I saw that Christian music articles were overlooked or non-existent. Overall, I enjoy working on articles that are more on the fringe of popular culture but are notable yet less interesting to many people. I rarely work on core topics. The Christian music articles that I edit the most are artists' articles.
1140:: I want editors as a whole to start getting stuff accomplished, rather than simply pondering what might be or will be done, if someone else does the task or work. I am only one believer amongst a couple billion, we should have all the content created that passes notability in a timely and effective manner.
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I actually would be interested in interviewing someone with your interest. I apologize if you felt left out. I did not follow the usual method of soliciting interviews for this piece. Usually the interviewer will post a notice on the WikiProject in question to request for interviewees. In this case,
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When I started, new editors were mostly people who wanted to share information. Now, I see a lot of people pushing their own agendas, whether that information is a personal website, band (either as a member, a manager, promoter or a fan), music or things like that. I understand why. A link to a site
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1024:: We have a lack of notable articles across all subject areas on Knowledge (XXG), yet we need editors to craft articles in a manner where it showcases each individual subjects notability. Notability is not inherited it must be earned with coverage or merit, such as winning a
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300:: The lack of coverage about many musicians and bands that are Christian music or even Christian music leaning on this encyclopedia. I went through a whole encyclopedia on mainly black gospel musicians and found well over 60 articles that were not done .
276:: I thought that building an online encyclopedia was a worthwhile endeavor. Knowledge (XXG) was pretty new in 2005 and there was a lot that I could do to help build and organize it. I keep contributing because I want to make the world a better place.
288:: The amount of incorrect information on Knowledge (XXG). One day I pulled up Wiki to look up some information on a song, and the information supplied was unreliable, so I thought I would create an account to help better music articles.
1040:: The same issue that affects most churches: being welcoming to newcomers. Both tend to be nice to people who are nice to them. I can see a rules-based community, like Knowledge (XXG), being unwelcoming to people who break the rules.
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1084:: They should be aware Knowledge (XXG) will not by any means accept articles based on your favorite band, musician, or artist. Every article on Knowledge (XXG) must adhere to our policies and guidelines per
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