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edits is entirely intentional. Community resources are limited, and it is better for the encyclopedia when we dedicate our time and effort to areas that are most in need of attention. There are simply not enough resources to require all non-COI edits to undergo a review procedure; the peer-reviewed
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by Sussman so far), Sussman stated in May that Feinberg's "accusations are the subject of an upcoming libel claim against HuffPo". Feinberg's piece remains online and Sussman's demand that the Knowledge (XXG) article on Axios should not cite it was rejected by other editors in an RfC. Regards,
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an extremely large recurring donation of time and/or money to support editor recruitment and engagement, the burden of reviewing 45,000 edits per day, most of which don't have issues, will negatively impact the encyclopedia. â
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