624:. He repeatedly went digging for personal information about editors he suspected of having a conflict of interest and berated other editors he perceived as getting in his way over the course of several years. He had been banned or blocked for it multiple times and each time he was nice as pie, promising he would change his behaviour, only to do exactly the same thing a few weeks later. Yes, he was a productive editor, and yes, he almost certainly meant well, but his crusader mentality and his focus on "protecting" Knowledge (XXG) from edit (or editors) he deemed harmful at all costs, even at the cost of the community's fundamental values, made him a net negative to the project.
646:
particular, that based on published comments, most WPedians regarded J's manner of contact off-wiki as inexcusable. I doubt very much the committee expressed to any degree whatsoever a tolerance for undeclared paid editing, and I am disclosing no secrets in giving my impression that the committee is now at last seriously involved in trying to combat UPE. I have urged the committee to adopt this attitude since I first joined it, and my efforts--because they match the general feeling of the community-- have in that respect finally been successful. For this to actually produce results will, however , be a considerable struggle.
110:
130:
306:
90:
120:
36:
140:
100:
150:
233:
states "the vast majority of parties to this case are respected, long-term editors who have made considerable contributions to the field of medicine on
Knowledge (XXG) over many years. It should be taken as a given that every single party's foremost aim is to improve Knowledge (XXG), although there
540:
Bri made a correction that I think handles your 1st point. I've included your suggested correct on your 2nd point. For your 3rd point, I think we'll pass for now. For just about every ArbCom case I've seen there are "divisions" or "camps" or "2 sides". It would be better for everybody if there
645:
Although I'm for the moment an arb, i recused myself from this case as I thought I might instead want to give testimony--though in the end I decided not to. I can therefore give my personal opinion, that HJM's post above is more accurate than the summary. I think it would be fair to say, in
200:
by a vote of 11 arbitrators to 1. He may appeal the ban in 12 months. The case was originally started two years ago and closed soon after when Jytdog resigned as an editor, stating that he would never return. After he expressed a desire to return as an editor in March, the case was reopened.
204:
Much of the case revolved around Jytdog's efforts to fight paid or conflict-of-interest editing. A key aspect of the case involved his uninvited telephone contact with another editor. Strong evidence was presented that Jytdog repeatedly badgered other editors.
619:
I appreciate that it's difficult to write about a case where you have strong personal feelings, but the summary of the Jytdog case in my opinion grossly underplays the reason for his ban, which is that the way he conducted his
598:
I hope Jytdog remains blocked forever. I took issue with his interactions with another editor and we talked on Skype circa 2016-2017. It was a private call but I'll say that the editing community is better off without him.
426:
509:
This is considerably off, as a) it divides us into "camps" (unhelpfully), and b) the dispute is NOT only about drug pricing, nor are the divisions only in that direction. I don't know how to suggest re-writing
271:
400:
385:
293:
284:
340:
188:
staffer is available to write this article who considers themselves to be unbiased about these cases. This writer has strong, and mixed, feelings on both cases, and will keep the descriptions short.
447:
I hope everybody understands that this article was difficult for me to write. If you have any proposed corrections to make, please state your proposed wording here, and we'll see what can be done.
345:
365:
375:
355:
330:
76:
335:
323:
267:
225:
674:
390:
395:
317:
55:
44:
380:
360:
370:
93:
726:
218:
177:
266:
At the evidence page, editors are roughly split, in the type of evidence they have presented, in whether it favors one side or the other in the dispute. In the
197:
173:
21:
702:
697:
692:
502:
At the evidence page, editors are roughly split, in the type of evidence they have presented, in whether it favors one side or the other in the dispute.
687:
682:
305:
49:
35:
17:
214:
495:
Sandy
Georgia and several other medical editors are concerned about multiple long-term trends affecting the Medicine Project.
657:
636:
614:
591:
573:
554:
529:
460:
270:, which ends May 5, many of the proposals appear to favor letting the editors solve the content dispute on their own. A
481:
Sandy
Georgia and several other members of WikiProject Medicine are not generally in favor of including drug prices
263:
and several other medical editors are concerned about multiple long-term trends affecting the
Medicine Project.
708:
607:
569:
525:
631:
547:
474:
A long-term dispute involving many issues at
Wikiproject Medicine, that erupted over drug pricing ...
453:
489:
601:
103:
585:
560:
535:
516:
422:
123:
488:... this is just not true; there are many instances where drug pricing is in accordance with
625:
133:
542:
448:
257:
joins several other editors in favoring the inclusion of drug prices in medical article.
217:
that came to a head over drug pricing information in articles was taken to ArbCom and the
163:
153:
720:
653:
621:
581:
143:
176:, a productive and controversial editor, was indefinitely banned on April 13. The
113:
648:
466:
A long term dispute at WikiProject
Medicine about including drug pricing
259:
249:
239:
172:
Two very difficult cases were heard in April, with one ongoing.
234:
exists a wide range of opinion on how that is best achieved."
54:
30:
Two difficult cases: Even our best editors sometimes disagree.
304:
34:
229:
541:
weren't, but I think my wording reflects reality here.
438:
431:
411:
622:
efforts to fight paid or conflict-of-interest editing
436:If your comment has not appeared here, you can try
8:
247:and a member of the WMF Board of Trustees.
578:"productive and controversial editor"-: -->
579:"productive but controversial editor" ? --
727:Knowledge (XXG) Signpost archives 2020-04
18:Knowledge (XXG):Knowledge (XXG) Signpost
439:
415:
70:
582:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus
180:case opened on April 7. Two frequent
29:
7:
632:
253:, another long-time contributor to
56:
28:
421:These comments are automatically
148:
138:
128:
118:
108:
98:
88:
198:indefinitely banned on April 13
432:add the page to your watchlist
184:contributors are involved. No
1:
243:, a long-time contributor to
743:
637:09:34, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
615:14:23, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
592:08:30, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
574:21:29, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
555:21:04, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
530:20:16, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
461:20:06, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
658:23:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
633:Penny for your thoughts?
274:is expected by May 12.
213:A long term dispute at
429:. To follow comments,
309:
297:"Arbitration report" →
39:
308:
38:
425:from this article's
289:"Arbitration report"
237:The parties include
215:WikiProject Medicine
219:case opened April 7
71:Two difficult cases
416:Discuss this story
401:WikiProject report
386:On the bright side
351:Arbitration report
310:
68:Arbitration report
45:← Back to Contents
40:
559:Better, thanks!
440:purging the cache
341:Discussion report
272:proposed decision
50:View Latest Issue
734:
711:
634:
623:
613:
610:
604:
588:
566:
550:
539:
522:
456:
443:
441:
435:
414:
346:Featured content
328:
320:
313:
296:
288:
262:
252:
242:
232:
166:
152:
151:
142:
141:
132:
131:
122:
121:
112:
111:
102:
101:
92:
91:
62:
60:
58:
742:
741:
737:
736:
735:
733:
732:
731:
717:
716:
715:
714:
713:
712:
707:
705:
700:
695:
690:
685:
678:
666:
665:
608:
602:
600:
590:
586:
564:
553:
548:
533:
520:
459:
454:
445:
437:
430:
419:
418:
412:+ Add a comment
410:
406:
405:
404:
366:Recent research
321:
316:
314:
311:
300:
299:
294:
291:
286:
280:
279:
258:
248:
238:
228:
211:
194:
168:
167:
161:
160:
159:
158:
149:
139:
129:
119:
109:
99:
89:
83:
80:
69:
65:
63:
53:
52:
47:
41:
31:
26:
25:
24:
12:
11:
5:
740:
738:
730:
729:
719:
718:
706:
701:
696:
691:
686:
681:
680:
679:
668:
667:
664:
663:
662:
661:
660:
640:
639:
617:
603:Chris Troutman
595:
594:
580:
576:
545:
514:
513:
512:
511:
504:
503:
499:
498:
497:
496:
492:
483:
482:
478:
477:
476:
475:
468:
467:
451:
420:
417:
409:
408:
407:
403:
398:
393:
388:
383:
378:
376:By the numbers
373:
368:
363:
358:
356:Traffic report
353:
348:
343:
338:
333:
331:News and notes
327:
315:
303:
302:
301:
292:
283:
282:
281:
277:
268:Workshop phase
210:
207:
193:
190:
170:
169:
157:
156:
146:
136:
126:
116:
106:
96:
85:
84:
81:
75:
74:
73:
72:
67:
66:
64:
61:
48:
43:
42:
33:
32:
27:
15:
14:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
739:
728:
725:
724:
722:
710:
704:
699:
694:
689:
684:
676:
672:
659:
655:
651:
650:
644:
643:
642:
641:
638:
635:
629:
628:
618:
616:
611:
605:
597:
596:
593:
589:
583:
577:
575:
571:
567:
563:
558:
557:
556:
551:
544:
537:
532:
531:
527:
523:
519:
508:
507:
506:
505:
501:
500:
493:
491:
487:
486:
485:
484:
480:
479:
472:
471:
470:
469:
465:
464:
463:
462:
457:
450:
442:
433:
428:
424:
413:
402:
399:
397:
394:
392:
389:
387:
384:
382:
379:
377:
374:
372:
369:
367:
364:
362:
359:
357:
354:
352:
349:
347:
344:
342:
339:
337:
334:
332:
329:
325:
319:
318:26 April 2020
312:In this issue
307:
298:
290:
278:
275:
273:
269:
264:
261:
260:Sandy Georgia
256:
251:
246:
241:
235:
231:
227:
226:evidence page
222:
220:
216:
208:
206:
202:
199:
191:
189:
187:
183:
179:
175:
165:
155:
147:
145:
137:
135:
127:
125:
117:
115:
107:
105:
97:
95:
87:
86:
78:
59:
57:26 April 2020
51:
46:
37:
23:
19:
670:
647:
626:
561:
536:SandyGeorgia
517:
515:
446:
350:
336:In the media
324:all comments
276:
265:
255:The Signpost
254:
250:Bluerasberry
245:The Signpost
244:
236:
223:
212:
203:
195:
185:
181:
171:
94:PDF download
709:Suggestions
627:HJ Mitchell
423:transcluded
196:Jytdog was
144:X (Twitter)
673:. You can
669:It's your
587:reply here
543:Smallbones
490:WP:NOPRICE
449:Smallbones
164:Smallbones
82:Share this
77:Contribute
22:2020-04-26
703:Subscribe
549:smalltalk
455:smalltalk
427:talk page
391:Interview
240:Doc James
721:Category
698:Newsroom
693:Archives
671:Signpost
396:In focus
287:Previous
209:Medicine
186:Signpost
182:Signpost
178:Medicine
134:Facebook
124:LinkedIn
114:Mastodon
20: |
675:help us
565:Georgia
521:Georgia
494:--: -->
473:--: -->
381:Opinion
361:Gallery
224:On the
192:Jytdog
174:Jytdog
154:Reddit
104:E-mail
688:About
654:talk
562:Sandy
518:Sandy
510:this.
371:Essay
230:RexxS
16:<
683:Home
609:talk
570:Talk
526:Talk
295:Next
649:DGG
572:)
528:)
162:By
79:—
723::
656:)
630:|
285:←
221:.
677:.
652:(
612:)
606:(
584:|
568:(
552:)
546:(
538::
534:@
524:(
458:)
452:(
444:.
434:.
326:)
322:(
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.
