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WE Day Canada was held on July 2, 2017 on Parliament Hill, the day after Canada Day celebrations for Canada's 150th anniversary, which garnered WE a huge amount of publicity and so is an entry point for many Canadians. But it also has nothing to do with paid editing by publicity firms hired by WE.
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