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to a very short beginners guide. In terms of getting started, it probably has one of the worst layouts for new editors of any project. After that, I discovered you actually need gadgets on, especially for new editors. Every pages has a “header” for basic information. However, only going into your preferences and turning on specific gadgets allow it to be automatically generated. So my first ever page was actually a weird copy/paste from an existing page, rather than a guided creation.
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against either the OCR'd text or the previous version). Short 5-10 page pamphlets can take days or weeks, and entire books are unthinkable. Further, editing Wikisource requires a monomaniacal focus, unrivalled by either Knowledge (XXG) or Wikidata (except, perhaps, hardcore sourced content work here, which I admittedly do very rarely).
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Wikisource in particular takes lots and lots of time. Even a single page can easily take 15 minutes to even an hour to proofread or validate (depending on how much text there is in it; and at least when I do it the way I usually do, which is retyping out the entire text from scratch and then diffing
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Getting started on Wikisource was so much different than getting started on any other Wikimedia project. Actually, I struggled to even really learn how to get started. Unlike Knowledge (XXG), there was no “learn to edit” style of buttons to click. They just have a “Help” button, which then takes you
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Wikisource is a library of free texts, including encyclopedias, plays, poems, laws, and novels. There's a considerable amount of work to do, and vandalism is rare. I've enjoyed contributing to Wikisource, as much or maybe more than I enjoy editing Knowledge (XXG)—and I plan to continue contributing
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To conclude, Wikisource is a major perk for weather-related articles on Knowledge (XXG) and I would love for every editor on weather-related articles to use it, but honestly, the guide to newcomers needs a major revamp (maybe similar to have Wikimedia Commons’ newcomer process works) before I would
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the United States government, specifically the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Since everything U.S. government publishes is in the public domain, it can also be added to Wikisource. So now, weather-related articles can have links for readers to a Wikisource-version of the primary
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Besides getting started, the process is fairly simple and it actually easier than creating English Knowledge (XXG) articles. As an editor who contributes almost entirely into weather-related articles, it is a huge perk to be able to have Wikisource articles. For any U.S.-weather event, the primary
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proved a difficult first project: it was a collection of poems, which inevitably needed complex formatting, but it also had images which had to be extracted (in my case, poorly so) from the scan. After proofreading the pages of my poem, I boldly created a mainspace page to house the poem, with the
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For reasons now unclear, I decided to make my first edit to Wikisource in early July, 2023. Clearly, I didn't find it appealing at the time, as I made two smallish edits and returned to Knowledge (XXG). However, this January I skulked back with a project in mind: add more poems by the romantic-era
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under-marketed. The impact of Knowledge (XXG) on daily life and pop culture can't be understated; however, the impact of Wikidata and Wikisource, however, is pretty much zero. I've heard of proposals to rename the "Wikimedia Foundation" to the "Knowledge (XXG) Foundation", and even though I don't
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I don't proofread the way Duckmather does, (I'm lazy and I just read the OCR'd text and compare it to the scan as I go), but it still takes a lot of time, especially when the text is small. However, sometimes the automatic transcription is so scrambled as to be useless, so I use Duckmather's more
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Each wiki is a huge time commitment. When I joined Wikidata last year, I got concerned about whether I could still keep up editing on Knowledge (XXG); but now that I'm active on three wikis (Knowledge (XXG), Wikidata, and Wikisource), my activity here on Knowledge (XXG) has dwindled a lot.
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From another WS editor: Editing WS currently needs a lot of dedication, but there are many repetitive tasks that can be or have been automatized (transclusion, some formatting e.g. poetry, disambiguation, etc.) Editing WS gets easier and easier as time goes, with technological progress. —
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I added a Wikisource entry a couple weeks ago. I bet the reason why they don’t have a long drawn out guide is because it is relatively simple. Although I’ll admit, a more intensive help page would probably be helpful.
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However, it should be noted that WeatherWriter was including free content from webpages, while I was using scanned books, so we were entirely different editing spheres.
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from the proofread pages to the mainspace to form one cohesive, digitized whole. After eventually figuring out "section transclusion", I happily
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around 1905. It contains some handy information that I suspect can by used to expand a few of our own articles, besides interesting formatting.
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through January, while dabbling in a few other projects, and participating a little in February's "Proofread of the Month".
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I found my current project in mid-February: another (shorter) collection of poems by the Australian poet
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U.S. government sources for tornadoes, hurricanes, winter storms, floods, etc...
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Wikisource is also (like Wikidata, and the rest of the smaller Wikimedia wikis)
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This leads me to the use of Wikisource. Here's what WeatherWriter had to say:
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agree with it, I can very much understand why they'd do so.
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On editing Wikisource: A journey to a sister project.
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