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employees, made hundreds of reviews, and have been around for years. Another called Starships a "flash game", proving that they aren't even looking at the game at all. Yet, nobody challeneges them. We lost 40 games in one night because one editor put quick delete on every MMORPG in the category, and nobody is challenged to explain their actions. Starships has plenty of sourcing, even a bibliography. I look around at all the other MMORPG articles, and none of them measure up, and helpful editors like you will continue to vote for them to go. Half of them are gone now. This category will be completely gone in a month or two. This is very sad.

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in books, given multiple independent reviews, have dozens of fan-sites, hundreds of thousands of players, etc., and still get deleted. Half of the category was speedy deleted in a single night, no talk, no reviews, just "Poof!" gone. The other half is being systematically taken down piece by piece. This is not about "sourcing". This is about an attempt to empty this entire category. At any given time there is an MMORPG article on the AfD. We don't need better sourcing, we've lost articles that had plenty, we need arbitration.

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that are even worse. One in particular i browsed the other day had 175 entries, i think about 10 would of passed notability. If we want an encyclopedia Britannica fine, but I'd always thought WP was meant to be more than that. This is a long way from what i usually get involved in but, its a shame to see interesting, well written, interesting articles disapear under cat whatever of speedy delete, its the precedent it sets that concerns me more than the subject matter.

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I have not, though I have a feeling it would be ineffective as many times multiple IPs are engaging in doing this (per article over a short span of time). I suppose that would preclude this approach in general from being effective, but it may help to dissuade some users who otherwise may not realize

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There's a lot of articles here, so deletion is not the preferred option. Some of these articles assert their notability fine, but lack the required secondary sources. Some of these articles, however, are genuinely awful, being mostly cruft and game guide. I know some of these are likely to be handled

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My point is that if Medievia, arguably one of the biggest and most notable MUDs on the planet, is not considered worth keeping in WikiPedia, then perhaps everyone should take their hands off the keyboard for a while and think about the relevancy of the notability guidelines. If you apply it blindly,

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More seriously, if an extremely notable site with loads of history like Medievia doesn't qualify, what's the point? The code controversy discussed in the usenet archives went on for years, yet because it's on usenet it must be ignored? I understand that you're trying to clean up the section, but if

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be considered for deletion under the rules being discussed here. Clearly, its lack of attribution does not make up for the fact that it is one of the largest MUDs in existence. Further its references to the late '90's controversy regarding code theft are to usenet archives which also clearly should

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Well you might as well delete the whole category then, because sourcing doesn't get much better than it does on starships, I figure that's why they are going after it so hard. It's like setting a precedent. They get away with calling perfectly valid review sites "Personal sites" even though they have

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I watch a number of articles in this project for vandalism, and on a pretty much daily basis am confronted by one or more instances of vandalism in the form of (usually) IP users adding links to "private"/illegal servers to MMORPG articles. Is there any way a zero-tolerance policy can be instituted

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The browser game base thing... they kind of fall between wp:web and wp:game. Based upon current policy most of them fail notability and about 80% of them have been deleted in the past few weeks anyway. Its worth thinking of the consqences though, there are a few other popular culture type categories

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I believe you have the wrong idea. These are not attacks, they are just people looking to make an encyclopedia and make Knowledge a better place. The game does not look notable and as such can be deleted. I don't think it's a battle but rather people are becomming more familiar with the policies and

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What criterion would an external wiki on a MMORPG be judged against before it is allowed to be linked to the article? Are external linked wikis standard to the MMORPG articles? I found 48 of 148 MMORPG articles with links to external Wiki's but many editors are telling me that just shows how many

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Unfortunately, the only one with a third-party source is Alter aeon, and it's only a single one. The deleteionists will tear all six of these to shreds if we don't do something. A shame too, these are all games with large followings, and very notable. It makes me sick to see what is being done with

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in its list of acceptable sources, so the Multiplayer Online Games Directory obviously fails this. So far as I can tell, GameOgre.com is also an Internet directory - each game seems to get a neutral or adspeak introduction (written by the submitter?), followed by unedited user reviews. If the site

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Unfortunately, the deletionists will have an answer to everything. Being on sites like GameOgre won't help. They will say it is a list service, or even a blog, or whatever works. What they won't say is "Yes, that's a perfectly acceptable source." Sites are being deleted that have been written about

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These games exist in the internet domain, which is a very transient medium. How many thousands of players have to be active before it's notable? If half a million people have played a game over the past 15 years, is that notable? How would a game administrator go about proving it given that web

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I would support analysing some of the non gaming subjects, such as questing, instancing and other themes common to MMOs, but I'm not sure if a WP or even a taskforce is appropriate. As games in general develop more online content and the MMO genre becomes increasingly popular, the overlap between

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So are the things those SPAs say in AfDs related with to the article! I cleaned out a large chunk as speedy deletes recently, and have been tagging up articles with notability and primary source tags, so that they have time to find any sources they have. There are numerous articles that prove web

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I agree that most MU*s (and a lot in the MMORPG category) are not notable; it seems everyone and their grandmother has started some online game. I've been prod'ing items in this category steadily over the past few days, but I don't think there's any great hurry. Also, whilst investigating the MUD

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What does their Game of the Month actually mean? Clicking through their site, they have a game listed for each month, but they're only repeating its directory-entry description in each case - it's not clear whether it's an editorially-nominated award, or simply autocalculated from user votes that

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It seems that many parts of this project have dissolved and it is largely inactive. I believe that this is a case of "eyes bigger than mouth" and more bureaucracy has been created than necessary for the scope of this project. Reducing it to a task force is an obvious idea, but only if people are

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Having looked at other entries on the page (MU* Games) that links to Alter Aeon, I would say that if you delete the Alter Aeon page by all rights nearly every other link on that page should go as well. Most of them have reference links back to only the home page for the game, and nothing else.

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interested in such a thing, otherwise we might as well delete this project. All of the task forces associated to this project are going up for MfD due to an extreme lack of inactivity and a terribly small scope, although any that remain after the process could easily be incorporated into

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Lately I have been improving the Habbo Hotel article. Since it has been classed as "Start" it has improved greatly; it now includes proper reliable references, images, an infobox and alot of other good information. Is there any chance the article could have its class raised? I suggest a

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With improvments to the referencing, more about the technical side of things (servers, and so forth), critical reception and reviews and general expansion the article should be well on the way to Good Article status. You also need to make sure that all the images have the correct tag

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with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Knowledge 1.0 scheme! For the

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It might be because I'm a bit bleary eyed this morning, but I can't see the specific discussion. Anyway, the answer is really easy. If it has been described as an MMOG in a reliable source, then that's what we print here. If a reliable source has also said that it

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does specifically allow sites which have "won a well-known and independent award from either a publication or organization", even if they've no other coverage. But yes, any well-known award would require some sort of reliable source to identify it as "well-known".

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by the MU* task force, I'm just listing the articles I've personally found and asking if anyone with the time and inclination (unlike me) wants to have a bash at getting any of these articles up to scratch. Or just nominate them for deletion, whatever you think.

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That's fair enough, I can agree with all that. Do any of the Link directory sites have ACTUAL notable awards, or should we just consider them all to be unreliable sources? I still haven't seen any argument as to why they might actually be considered notable.

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is not an optional extra. If article cannot provide reliable sources to verify notability, the policy dictates it be deleted. And if the article fails to even make a claim of notability then it meets the criteria for speedy deletion. It doesn't matter

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and give some comments and/or perhaps work on what needs work, what needs to be added, etc.? I'm still in the process of cleaning it up, adding more references, etc., but I'm not sure what else would be necessary to make this article better. Thanks.

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The Multiplayer Online Games Directory's Game of the Month is chosen by players as the premier game for that month. All playable games listed are capable of winning this award although a game can win the award only once a year (starting 2002)."

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Yes. I propose it be deleted, as it fails the notability specifications. Further, I also propose that the Realms of Despair and BatMud pages be considered for deletion for the same lack of notability. 76.48.71.243, 14:15, 18 May 2007 (MST)

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of game guide and cruft material. I'm posting them here in case anyone here is more familiar with any of them and might be able to give them the clean-up and sourcing they need. If not, then I guess it's the ole deletion route again.

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At least 149 links of a suspected 550 were detected as dead, found on pages under the umbrella of this project. External links are primarily used in references and should be treated as though the references were missing. See

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Once thing I've thinking about is the large number of Korean MMORPGs (almost a genre of it's own) which are made by professional companies but you'd struggle to find English-language references for. Perhaps worth a task-force?

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this project and WP:VG becomes larger. I'd probably suggets subsuming it into the overall VG wikiproject. Also, most MMO players are probably playing their MMO instead of writng articles about it (I'm guildty of this one with

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Well, I'd say that MPOGD would qualify as well-known, but the award is definitly not independent of the games, as even a casual search of most broswer game forums reveals a thread co-ordinating votespamming for such awards.

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Most well-known award ceremonies only have one or two "people's choice" awards, don't they, to avoid too much vote-stuffing? Skimming around the web, there are lots of minor-MMORPG forums encouraging their players to

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these articles fail. I disagree with this policy, and as a contributor over a number of years, I think I have a prerogative put forward my point of view in the hope of changing enough peoples minds... because policy

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as well. If the Battrick Cup itself is notable and has sufficient sources backing it up, then it could stay if rewritten to have more non-statistical content, but otherwise this should just be a prose section in the

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games ARE covered in reliable independent third-party sources, and people are just going to have to accept that if their favorite game hasn't been, then wikipedia policies are specific on what happens.

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The following articles have all been tagged for a while without receiving any attention. For the most part they lack reliable secondary sources, some make no assertion of notability and most contain

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Also, if you are requesting expansion, wikifying, or cleanup on an article within the project, the place to do it is on the main page, not here on the talk page. But anyhow, enjoy the talk page! -

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To show it is historical, you first need to show it is notable, which is the main concern here anyway. Or are you talking about an archive of every MMORPG there is? Knowledge is not a directory (

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and give him a hand? Right now it looks like it's badly in need of correction, as it violates the "Knowledge is not a gaming guide" principle; he is also having trouble establishing any kind of

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fail in notability. While I understand that there is a small group of dedicated fans of these games, objectivity forces one to reconsider if the games are notable enough in reference to

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Due to the large number of MMPORGs going through AfD at the moment, it might be instructive to put together a list of reliable review sites for such online games. And perhaps a list of

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One point worth considering though is that MPOGD has a monthly award it gives out. I've personally believed they can be used a source for notability, but what does anyone else think?

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it will result quite simply in destruction of the entire category. Perhaps that suits the editorial staff, but I would think it unfortunate. 76.48.71.243, 14:15, 18 May 2007 (MST)

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Nobody has responded as of yet but I think that I will start it anyway hoping that more participants come along as the articles really need the help. Expect to see the page soon at

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Personally, I think deleting all of them would be a tremendous loss of history. At the very least some of this stuff should be archived as historical. 00:20, 11 May 2007 (CST)

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When do these attacks stop? Is it going to be an on-going battle until they've deleted everything in the category? I can only think of two articles that are better sourced than

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Users persistently adding such links are violating both the copyrights and spamming policies. Still, to aid understanding, an MMO project-specific guideline wouldn't go amiss.

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But on the other hand, there are plenty of other awards that are considered acceptable that are voted for by the general public, such as annual PC magazine awards.

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Your weird twin-personality with regards to these articles is strange to say the least Matt. You supported the deletion of Gothador and have (rightly) tagged the

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That was the WikiProject Neopets logo so naturally, I included it in the template. Now that you mention it though, that is fair use and it should be removed.

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task force if I were to start one. The whole series of Guild Wars articles is not looking very well right now but could be improved! So, anyone interested?

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The problem isn't the sourcing. While this is one reason the other reason is that the games show no notability. Also as stated in the AfD for Starships!

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page and I believe it is due for reassement, please take a look. There is still no section for combat as I am awaiting infomation on that subject. --

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As a note, IP users are rarely blocked for more than a few days. Have you tried leaving notes on users talk pages and raising the issues with them?

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I agree about BatMUD, unless sources turn up, but Realms of Despair has proper independent third-party sources, so there's no grounds for deletion.

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Heh, I'll begin on the Rappelz article =D (although I'm sorry if it takes some time - I am very busy at the moment and with limited computer time)

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reliable sites. If concensus can formulate such a list, it can be referred to when AfD's come up and hopefully avoid some of the heated arguments.

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Given this, I don't see any reason to regard an MPOGD award as anything other than proof that a game has a dedicated fanbase. If there are any

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represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.

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Restrictions on location. Non-free content is used only in the article namespace; it is never used on templates (...) or on user pages....

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article for a repost deletion, yet seem curiously blind to any other article that has exactly the same failings as those two.

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accepts any game as a submission, then it is not a "credible published with a reliable publication process", as required by

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One of the recent bones of contention has been over websites like MPOGD. Why not start off with peoples thoughts on this?

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First I would also suggest a B class article. Second to go to A class it must be a Good Article which must be nominated.

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Alter aeon has had some new references added although they mostly seem to be MUD lists (which I will now remove).

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games have a vastly different review process than games shipped on cds? 76.48.71.243, 09:35, 18 May 2007 (MST)

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articles, I've found that most of them have been started by single-purpose accounts, which is quite revealing.

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month. (Planetarion and Hattrick actually both appear several times, which would suggest it's the latter.) --

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as a non-free image and as an orphaned non-free image. It is subject to speedy deletion as detailed in the

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An award on it's own doesn't really cut it, unless there's some kind of journalism attached to it (as in

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was rejected, so I don't know what the current guideline would be, other than just 'normal' notability.

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that write in detail about the award being respected, though, then maybe we could take it seriously. --

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to lead to these users being banned from editing after adding in such a links/how-to information? --

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up for prod yesterday, since then I'm happy to say a reference from the Toronto Star has appeared.

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This guy had his article deleted, and is trying to recreate it. Could some of you take a look at

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I am aware of WP policy. The policy was not always as it is now, it has changed. I have conceded

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It seems like this was supposed to have a decision made on April 28th, which has long passed. --

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I also want to know people's opinion of GameOgre.com. Is this a reliable site for references?

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Will do. I'll come up with some suggestions and examples of work in order to get him started.

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is a notable game and to help Knowledge and WikiProject MMO I voted Delete for the article.

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you apply the same rules to internet game pages that you apply to say, a geology page like

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as of 02:03, 22 October 2007. So far, two keeps and two deletes (including nominator).

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has been nominated for Featured Article status. Please comment, discuss, and vote at

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that MU* games, which are being discussed here are not generaly browser based games.

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I just stumbled across this article, listing winners for a cup from the online game

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there are currently 22 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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I am hoping to tap into the resources of this WikiProject, that is, some new

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Is it perhaps time to spin this into the VG project, maybe as a task force?

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pages need to be edited into the DMOZ standard. See the discussion on the

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Surely this means that MUDs can come under the Web notability guidelines?

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be deleted? Or are you nominating for deletion so that you can go on a

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and this sentence about what is classed as web content caught my eye:

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The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of

Also, what do you think is needed for its grade to be upgraded to an

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to have it reviewed by reviewers who specialize in video games.

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A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as

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for example seems to be notable enough for an initial sifting.

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significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources

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I am aware of WP policy." That is completely unnecessary.

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Tribal Wars keeps on being deleted. What is going on?

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very clear definition of what it means by "notability"

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