Knowledge talk:Manual of Style/India-related articles/Archive 1

1586:? The underlying problem, though, does have history either on this page or some other. Something to do with local (ie: project) consensus cannot over-ride general community consensus. That's a big issue because all someone has to do is add another project banner to a talk page and an article instantly becomes exempt from the India project consensus. Whether it is a problematic issue is another matter. Personally, I'd rather see it applied site-wide for the reasons that have already been discussed to death in numerous past threads and because I feel that if a project can re-work general notability guidelines with local consensus - NSPORT, NPROF etc - then we're on the cusp of doing the same sort of thing with Indic scripts anyway. The fact is, they're pretty much unworkable and the value of retention is really of minimal (not zero, but minimal) utility for our readership: if you know it, you know it ... and if you do not then you probably couldn't care less. - 4521: 146:(see also the immediately preceding discussions) where there is a discussion about whether to change the article name of Mahatma Gandhi. Currently it is named 'Mohandas Gandhi' while others are in favour of 'Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi', while other prefer the original 'Mahatma Gandhi'. This MOS for India-related articles has been invoked at the current discussion but, despite saying so on the MOS articlespace that 'Mahatma Gandhi' is preferred, there is doubt as to whether this should be implemented on account of this MOS being a 3055:, etc. Terms like Gwalior East should mostly refer to the LS constituency, but that depends on one's perspective and hence we have to assume that all constituency names can also refer to the geographical location irrespective of the existence of a Knowledge article about the same. The idea of hierarchical disambiguation is no longer practical due to legislative council constituencies. In light of all this, we have to sacrifice conciseness for practicality and consistency. I will like to propose a much simpler naming scheme: 35: 1525:. If projects on Hinduism and Bangladesh really want to assert that there is no consensus to apply this rule to any article they say is within their scope, then the Indic script rule actually does not have consensus. But I don't see any evidence of that. I see one editor trying very hard to shoe-horn wikilawyering language into this guideline for no clear reason. 1844:

articles have a hindi translation. Such a decision only prevents wikipedia's accessibility. For people, companies, and organizations that operate mostly on the state level. State languages can be included as an when deemed necessary. It seems regressive to avoid the usage of Indic scripts when for every other country, a local language translation is offered

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Keeping the name of a State/UT in titles will bring the uniformity in all of these constituency pages and at the same time it will rule out any chance of ambiguity. It'd look odd if some constituencies in a state (disambiguation pages) have the state name in titles and other constituencies don't have

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ward. A constituency is defined as "a group of voters in a specified area who elect a representative to a legislative body", and since municipal corporations are not legislative bodies, wards are technically not constituencies. But they do satisfy the first part of the definition and that can lead to

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Some geographical names in India have been used with multiple spellings in Roman. For example The name of the city in Hindi जबलपुर follows the exact native pronunciation and has not changed. In Roman it has been Jubbulpore, Jubbalpur, Jabalpur etc. In that case it is advantages to use the Indic text.

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under policy. If Indic script is a problem for readers in articles that pertain to India, it does not magically become a non-problem when the topic is Bangladesh. Wikiprojects on Pakistan and Jainism cannot declare "their" article immune to guidelines that are based on a practical consensus that our

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is Anbumani, son of Dr. Ramadoss. Another example is V. Anand, sometimes wrongly expanded as Vishwanathan Anand. (Anand is his given name and the correct expansion is Anand Vishwanathan.) Also, "The last name or the family name is placed before the first name for Telugu people." This is also found in

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One view is that every constituency title as inherently ambiguous, because it is named after an existing geographical entity on which we may or may not have an article. Under this view "FooTown", "North FooTown", "West FooDistrict", "FooTown and BarTown" etc are all ambiguous because they describe a

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Happy to have a constructive debate, but I feel your first three points are a wilful misrepresentation/misinterpretation of my suggestion; regarding #1, I did not suggest using double brackets. Regarding #2 and #3, the examples I gave were illustrations of how it would work; if the specific examples

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I propose the uniformed nomenclature "XYZ (ABC Assembly constituency)", where XYZ is the constituency name and ABC is the State/UT name. That way we wouldn't need to put the titles, "State Legislative Assembly constituency" or "Union Territory Assembly constituency" separately the for the states and

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should be deleted since it is named after a an entity which never existed. Usage of terms Government of Karnataka and Government of India should be entertained but there is (or was) nothing by the name Government of Bangalore. If you want to categorize agencies associated with Bangalore, then we can

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I fully support your proposal as it captures my thoughts about how disambiguation should be done. However, is #4 the furthest disambiguation needs to go? Is it not possible to have a constituency which is both the same name another state and a Lok Sabha constituency? There might not be such a case,

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The standard name should be "XYZ (Legislative Assembly constituency)". In the case of multiple constituencies in different states having the same name, the format should be "XYZ (ABC Legislative Assembly constituency)". Using "Vidhan Sabha" in the title will be a cause for conflicts. In the future,

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for all Indic-language transliterations, and adding this to the conventions page. IAST is essentially a subset of ISO 15919, barring a couple cases where it's different, and the latter allows for all Indic languages to be unambiguously represented. Along the same lines, the recommended template for

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and I agree that it should be placed in the Manual of Style somewhere. The most appropriate place would be in this India-related articles subpage, but it is currently inactive. Surely there are now enough India-related article to warrant the resurrection of these guidelines. What are your thoughts?

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4. It would be very inconvenient for a Knowledge user to search for a specific constituency located in a specific state with all these non-uniform title names. For example: A person looking for Betul Assembly constituency would be expecting the same keywords for Alirajpur Assembly constituency and

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There are two issues here. You propose to use "Assembly constituency" instead of "Legislative Assembly constituency". To this I do not oppose. However, you also propose to always use the state, which I think makes the titles unnecessarily too long in 99% of the cases. If there is no disambiguation

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The decision was made because there are too many Indian languages? This makes no sense, because there are only 2 official languages in India, English and Hindi. Adding Hindi can help millions of people who only know, speak and write in Hindi to find articles on wikipedia. Not all English wikipedia

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It's not about Indic scripts, and never has been, it's about "Indian" scripts. If an article is related to India, then the community has decided that it's not desirable to include native scripts in the lede or the infobox regardless of whether those native scripts are Indic or something else, e.g.

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I agree. One option would be to remove anything remotely controversial from the page, and make the uncontroversial stuff active (even if there isn't very much). Then separate discussions can be held about each controversial part, rather than one big amorphous bunfight of a discussion. The MoS page

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the template is removed. For example, I can see that some people might have problems with the guideline preferring British English and Indian units (lakhs etc). If this is made active now then some pretty fundamental concepts are raised to the status of something that has current consensus when in

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And I'm sorry to see that Number57 pays no attention to maintainability. There are currently 4,227 articles on Indian constituencies, of which only 181 omit the word "constituency". Number57 wants to introduce avoidable ambiguity to an unquantified number of the 4,046 articles which are already

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The same issues were debated at length in 2006/2007 in respect of constituencies in the UK and Ireland. Neither is a federal system, but both share the Indian characteristic have multiple types of constituency. In each case, the consensus was to use a consistent dismabiguator in all cases, and

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The wording of the contested material has now been changed to "This avoidance of Indic scripts only applies to articles that are predominantly India-related and is excluded from, among others, articles about Hinduism, Buddhism, Pakistan or any of India's neighbouring countries." What?! Articles

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On a quick once-over, the problem appears to be that this is being written about leads when we don't want to use Indic in leads. If the material were rewritten to be about use of Indic in our text in general (with a reminder that we don't use it in the lead, "see above", then some of the material

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Sorry, you've posted two queries in two sections, and I missed the one above. Clearly, you are aware to some extent. The quick solution that avoids all this mess and more is not to have the scripts anywhere. They cause a phenomenal number of problems, including outright vandalism that doesn't get

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the naming convention was not intended or written with modern names in mind. For a current example, the naming convention (or this manual of style) would be of little help in the recent dispute over Bengaluru / Bangalore, which is the sort of thing that should be addressed here. (According to the

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Anyway, if you'd like to change the guideline to have broader scope than it currently has, you can of course start and RfC, but unlike all the previous ones it will need to 1) be on a page different from the talk page of WP INDIA, and 2) be advertised to the projects concerned. However, this is

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There has been quite a number of discussions on the matter over the years, and I think the simplest way is to explain it is that there is no way to leave the door half-open. Since the alternative was worse, the community has chosen to leave the door tightly closed. Maybe one day consensus will

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I am noticing some confusion about what are the correct and uniform names for the Indian state assembly constituencies. Articles are titled using Vidhan Sabha constituency, Vidhana Sabha constituency, Assembly constituency, Legislative Assembly, State Assembly constituency and Union Territory

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in U.P. has three kind of constituencies — Legislative Assembly, Legislative Council and Lok Sabha, So it's better to clarify what kind of constituency is it, Assembly or Council or Lok Sabha. Even within the Legislative Council, Saharanpur has three constituencies — Graduate's constituency,

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But without it, the article's name can be determined only with extensive prior knowledge. In other words, the reader or can find the article only if they are already have info which most will need to learn from the article. If Number 57's plan is implemented, the result will be that it is

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denote a general locality or geographical area of that city. It doesn't have an article on Knowledge as of today but in future there's a possibility that there might be an article related to this geographic area so it's better to use disambiguator instead of using just a generic title for a

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Articles do not belong to wikiprojects. Someone added stuff about the "don't use Indic script in leads and infoboxes" somehow only applying to WikiProject India articles. I've objected to this, Corinne has as well, on another page, and it just doesn't make any sense. It's directly against

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Every constituency name is derived from an existing geographical term, so it is inherently ambiguous. Every constituency name (e.f. "FooTown", "FooTown Central", "FooTown and BarTown", "South DistrictName" etc) could equally well refer to a formal or informal geographical entity. So the

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HD's description of it reminds me of the discussions we had in relation to Ireland, where a broad stable adminsitrative geography (Ireland has had the same set of counties for ~400 years) means that their names (and those of towns and cities) have been used for constituencies of

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In section "Indic scripts in leads and infoboxes", we are admonished not to use Indic scripts in the lede section. In the very next section, "Linking to other Indian Language Wikipedias", an example lede fragment is given which violates this rule. The article it refers to,

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impossible to conduct a rules-based check for the accuracy of links. Every one of them will have to be checked by hand, and we simply don't have enough dedicated editors to sustain that level of manual checking of such huge variability across such a huge set of articles.

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is incorrect; it's not a matter of simply dropping the diacritics from the ISO/IAST transliteration to reach Hunterian transliteration. All in all, I'd say use ISO (preferably) or Hunterian for all Indic languages except for Sanskrit, for which you should be using IAST.

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one) should redirect to what is presently the "Lead and infobox" section in MOS:INDIA, though this would be better named "Indic script in leads and infoboxes" since it does not cover anything else, and it doesn't stand out in the table of contents without "Indic" in it.

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page; they serve no purpose buried on the wikiproject page where no one will see them but active participants in the wikiproject. Without that material, the one-liner in the present guideline looks like arbitrary nonsense, and is easily dismissed as some consensus-free

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My view is that we should always keep disambiguation to a minimum and unnecessarily long names are not helpful. Having a standard disambiguator, especially as long as that proposed by Italawar is unnecessary IMO. I would propose the following disambiguation hierarchy:

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This proposal is mostly based on consistency, but also provides some conciseness by omitting the state name in most cases. As for mentioning the constituency name in the title, that would practically solve all of these issues. But it will look quite odd and will fail

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With regards to the final point, when editors search for a constituency, as they start typing its name in the search box, all the matches will come up. As a result, I don't see there being problems with locating articles, or that keywords are necessary in the title.

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Scope: "Religions originating in India, including Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism. Articles on Buddhism may follow this convention, Mythology of India" All wikiProjects related to Indian Religions need to be consulted before imposing the MOS on articles related to

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is not derived from an existing geographical entity. The constituency name is derivative, so it is almost never the primary topic for a geographical term, where as the village nearly always is primary (unless ambiguous with an other village of the same

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You have a point on consistency as I accepted above, but I disagree on the recognisability and precision criteria. We don't generally disambiguate where it's not necessary. I would imagine the vast, vast majority of readers would not know what the word

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While I see why uniformity can be valued, it is no excuse to needlessly extend all titles, and is generally not the way disambiguators work. There are thousands of examples of this in Knowledge, but just one, in how song disambiguators work, we have

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redirect, which I've been acting as if it is anyway. However, leave a meaningful stub in the current place as well, since this is one of the most common project guidelines newcomers will need to know, and the more places it is mentioned the better.

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There is no need to put State/UT in the title irrespective of the fact ehther the State name is mentioned or not. The legislative body of a state is called the legislative assembly for both states and partial states (Delhi, Puducherry, J&K).

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unlikely to draw much support as the situation that led to the adoption of this guideline (= regular editors being sick of people edit-warring over which script(s) to include and in what order) doesn't hold for any of the related projects. –

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undisambiguated form fails the precision criterion. Readers and editors are unlikely to know in advance whether we currently have an article on the informal area "South DistrictName", and the failure to disambiguate leaves them guessing.

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is also a problem, eg: in theory most Pakistan-related tribe articles are also India-related: Pakistan has only been around for a few years and it was a part of India for much longer. We have to assume a bit of common sense here. -

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I have not included anything about the decision mentioned above not to use Indic scripts in the leads of articles. This seems like a controversial decision requiring further discussion and consensus. The points raised above by

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it. It's rather more practical to use State/UT name to achieve uniformity so we don't have to use different titles (one for disambigous pages and other for normal pages) for the various consistencies of a same State/UT. —

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ruling against projects trying to assert authority over entire categories of articles. I've removed this twice and been reverted on the basis that there will allegedly be controversy if I"m not. Show us the controversy.

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I propose a policy of preferring the secular BCE/CE as opposed to BC/AD for Indian articles being added under the "Basic India conventions". Many articles on Indian topics seem to follow this convention already (e.g.,

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I moved the relevant material and updated the links. There is, however, the matter of the "Preferred format for introducing the article subject" section and onwards, which now makes much less sense. The example given,

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This policy is already implied in the current policy and followed on most articles, but my proposal is to make it explicit. If no one objects to this in about a week's time, I will be amending the text accordingly in

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Should they be used for all terms that can be transcribed with IAST (this would be excessive, imo), or just technical Sanskrit terms/names for historical/religious topics? The latter is my preference, for words like

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One distinct advantage of using the Indic text is that the text string can be used to search publications in Indian languages (newspapers and books). For example see which will search for जबलपुर in Hindi newspapers.

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I can't be bothered to read all of that discussion now, but assumuing a decision was reached (which isn't clear from the little I've read), then that's exactly the sort of thing that should be in this MoS article.

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Keeping this in mind, IMO the above possibilities are confusing to the typical reader and/ or sometimes redundant. It appears that the "98%" meaning is not intended under any of the above. My suggestion is:

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naming convention, Bangalore should be renamed Bengalūru, not Bengaluru, and I don't suppose anyone will support that). The existing, very sketchy 'Modern names' section should be expanded to deal with these.

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is used and quoted so often that there was a history of incidents with editors missing that point and starting to remove e.g. Sanskrit names from Buddhism articles, or Urdu native names from Pakistan-related

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All LS and legislative assembly constituencies should have "(Lok Sabha constituency)" and "(Legislative Assembly constituency)" in their title. Omitting the word "legislative" will not be appropriate IMO.

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that article was always intended to deal with old Indian languages (for history, religion and so on). India has names that do not derive from Indic languages. These include Arabic, Persian, and English

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the constituencies, at least to the level of "Foo (assembly constituency)"/"Foo (Lok Sabha constituency)", and much preferably use the always-unambiguous "XYZ (ABC Assembly constituency)" proposed by

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I gave do require further disambiguation, then they would move to the next level (for example, if there are other Legislative Assembly constituencies called Alirajpurr, then they would fall under #4).

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Gwalior East Assembly constituency to search for the articles, but all three of them having three different non-uniform titles would prove to be very inconvenient to a Knowledge user to locate them.

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Ideally, when introducing an article that is covered by this guideline, IPA transcriptions (with audio files if possible) and transliterations of the Indic script should be included. The format is:

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I'm no expert on India topics, so I will defer to the wider community: is there anything that's currently in this MoS article that shouldn't be there or needs to change? If not, I suggest taking the

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is also incorrect as there are Legislative Council constituencies too in the some states of same name. (Not in Madhya Pradesh though but I'm using Alirajpur as a reference point here) For example:

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Legislative Assembly constituency with the same name in another state and a Lok Sabha constituency with the same name: Disambiguate with "(state name Legislative Assembly constituency)" (e.g.

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that naming convention would also apply to articles that were not specific to India (the modern country); including articles about some of the neighbouring countries, and to the Pali language.

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I don't think the state assembly options are precise enough for an RfC, as each of them gives two options. I would suggest only having one method for each option, which could potentially be:

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It may also be worth mentioning that while there is no consistency for state assembly constituencies across India, there is consistency at state/UT level. "Assembly constituency" is used by

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I don't see having slightly different titles across a range of articles as a significant issue – having unnecessarily long titles is more of an issue than a lack of uniformity IMO. Cheers,

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dismabiguated: why? How does this help anyone? Who benefits from this? Where is all the extra editorial effort going to come from to maintain this 5-level hierarchy of disambiguation? --

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is unusually long title and thus not desirable. For example, "Ghosi (Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly constituency)" can simply be titled "Ghosi (Uttar Pradesh Assembly constituency)" —

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This article says "After the initial mention of any name, the person may be referred to by surname only." This is not always true. Many people use the personal name. For example, see

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The undisambiguated term also fails the recognisability criterion, by failing to indicate that the article is about a primarily legal entity rather than a primarily geographical one.

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leads and infoboxes should not have indic script in them for well-articulated reasons. That's Indic script, not Indian script. This is a site-wide MoS guideline, not a wikiproject

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I agree with "The Page names should always give an idea on the content of the Page." IMHO, for the majority of English readers, using "constituency" would violate that concept.

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If two assembly constituencies in different states have the same name, the state name should be mentioned in the disambiguator: "ABC (XYZ Legislative Assembly constituency)".

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wording (I don't mean that too critically, it's just a common problem in stuff written at wikiprojects), was very unclear in certain ways, and had some grammar problems).

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I think that 98% of the time it means the group of supporters or group of people being represented, and so this is how the readers are going to read the word "constituency"

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I did not realise that this section of MOS had ever existed. By all means, resurrect it after a period of review. I'll wander through the thing over the next few hours. -

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Currently, all article on Lok Sabha constituencies are disambiguated either as "(Lok Sabha constituency)", except in five cases where that is ambiguous and the dab is ("

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uses a pair of consistent but unparethesised naming formats: "Division of Foo" for federal constituencies, "Electoral district of Foo" for state assembly constituencies)

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Obviously I think banning all Indic scripts in the lead section of India-related articles is not a very good solution, so I came up with another: using a template like

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has a clear case of indic script in lead and/or infobox. There are no claims of multiple language to be added here, so why can't we refine policy to allow such cases?

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should be used for sorting? If the family name is usually placed last (western order) then a list of names should probably be sorted by the last name. I am looking at

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Sitush, do you suggest that any of the editors who opposed the inclusion of say Devanagari or Tamil scripts in the lede would have been happy with retaining Urdu?

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Removal of the "Geographic articles" section because each of its subsections was disputed. I would recommend discussing and reinstating this as soon as possible.

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Use this when you have the original script text, transliteration and IPA but do not have the audio pronunciation. This is likely to be the most used format.

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I'm thinking what I did as first-aid (commenting out the entire section) might be the best solution. The entire thing is just an explanation of how to use

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for Maharashtra. The constituency number is the part of official name of the constituency as it can be seen in the nomination papers filed by candidates.

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page title can continue without modification since no page exist with the given name else where in India. Vijeth N Bharadwaj 18:57, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

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If two LS constituencies in different states have the same name, the state name should be mentioned with a comma: "ABC, XYZ (Lok Sabha constituency)".

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I suggest not to mention state/UT name because when reorganization of any state will occur, each assembly constituency state will need to be changed.

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But please, before launching the RFC, let's collaborate to make a neutral summary of the issues. That makes for a much better discussion at RFC. --

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the other view is to individually test the ambiguity of each constituency article only by whether another article already exists with that title.

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There is community consensus that the lead sentence of an article should not contain any regional or Indic language script. It is suggested that

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in English and we're trying to be clear to typical readers, we should look at the common meaning / interpretation of the word "constituency":

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on various articles on places without moving what alternative names were already there or changing/adding the language to native_name_lang.

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as per point one. I am not entirely sure about how to manage Lok Sabha constituencies with the same name in different states. Should it be

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all someone has to do is add another project banner to a talk page and an article instantly becomes exempt from the India project consensus

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With a consistent naming format, readers and editors can ascertain the name of the constituency article just by applying the convention.

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Use the name that was used at the time the event occurred. This can be especially important for some geographical entities; for example,

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is worth consideration. However, I think adding the number would have to be applied to all Lok Sabha constituencies if it were adopted.

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someone may argue that Karnataka constituencies should instead use the term "Vidhana Soudha". Better to go with the English term.

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Is there a convention for handling new/old city names, (Mumbai/Bombay), specifically in historical articles? Thanks for the help!

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I cannot really comment on the transliteration bit (I am monoglottal) but the section regarding district naming is also currently

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So if on an India-related geography article, can I put Indic script and then Latin script? It doesn't say you can't according to

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status should not be referred to in the lead section of caste/community articles. I'll try to find the link to the discussion. -

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exists says to me that the design is to support the predominant non-English language/non-Latin script name of the place, like:

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I did some cleanup work on the material to make it "MoS-styled" language, and actually guideline-worthy. It had a bunch of

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The format "XYZ (ABC Assembly constituency)" is a clear winner on 3 criteria: Recognizability, Precision, and Consistency.

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Legislative Assembly constituency with the same name in another state: Disambiguate with "(state name constituency)" (e.g.

913:. In a European or a North-American article I would change this. What should be the convention for India-related articles? 1770:

The question is not one of whether to use diacritics or not, but which transliteration standard to use. As the section on

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I read it again and it is just too confusing to keep. I commented out the entire thing, here it is for further discussion

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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may be that varna discussion, although it seemed to deteriorate into a "bash Sitush" type of thread. Nothing new, then! -

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to make it recognisable or precise. This debate effectively boils down to a decision between consistency vs conciseness.

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could be restored into "Non-English strings" somewhere, though Sikh stuff should just be an example. We would never do "

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a simple consistency vs conciseness debate. That stance is just denialism of the precision and recognisability criteria.

4615:. It's currently a work-in-progress and please feel free to (and please do) help me fix it. I have used it on the page 2745:'s four points. HD clearly knows the set of articles very well, and is familiar with the degree of ambiguity involved. 2517:

Yes, you're correct that it probably needs a #5 just in case such a situation did exist. I've added it above. Cheers,

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Some editors seem to prioritise conciseness over all the other 4 criteria, but there is no policy reason to do so. --

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every constituency is anmed after a pre-existing geographucal entity, so the bare name is always inherently ambiguous

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Maintainability is massively enhanced by consistency. Please please please don't undermine that maintainability. --

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in option 1 as an example for UTs. (Now there's an unaddressed issue of caps). Following options may also be added

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A recent decision on the use of indic scripts in the leads of India-related articles was made (see main discussion

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is still slightly preferable as it avoids a double disambiguation in the same title (using a comma and brackets).

4254: 4244:, fair enough. Probably best to put everything on the table at the outset. Options added later get confusing. -- 4164: 3886: 3774: 3461: 3178: 2979: 2922: 2833: 2791: 2657:. As an alternative, you can just use the official constituency number if you don't want double disambiguation. 2289: 1787: 4608: 2940: 2380: 3687:

this applies regardless of the answer to Q1, which decides whether we disambiguate in some cases or all cases.

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this applies regardless of the answer to Q1, which decides whether we disambiguate in some cases or all cases.

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for Pages dedicated to Agencies associated with Municipal Corporation. Similarly other Pages which are using

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Since no-one objected to the resurrection of this page, I have made a few amendments and reinstated it under

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However, I think the the hierarchy of questions and options is little confusing. So I suggest this redraft:

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Use this format when you have the original script text, transliteration, IPA and audio pronunciation file.

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Knowledge talk:WikiProject Indian politics § Proposal : Knowledge:Naming conventions Indian constituencies

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Knowledge talk:WikiProject Indian politics § Proposal : Knowledge:Naming conventions Indian constituencies

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I see there is no clear outcome of this discussion. May be we should go for an RfC. What do you think? --

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I support Bharatiya suggestion, there is no need to list the state if no further disambiguation is needed.

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I propose to name change of the all State and Union Territory assembly constituencies, for example, from

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guideline. So, in any case, editors may wish to step in over there and contribute their thoughts. Thanks,

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Lok Sabha constituency with the same name: Disambiguate with "(Legislative Assembly constituency)" (e.g.

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I may be too busy to implement this, should the idea gain consensus; I trust someone else can handle it.

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ConstituencyName (StateName/UnionTerritoryaName State/Union Territory Legislative Assembly constituency)

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PS: If we need to explain that there can be exceptions, e.g. where the very topic is an Indic word like

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Geographic entity with the same name, but not a constituency: Disambiguate with "(constituency)" (e.g.

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about these religions are not magically disassociated from India as a topic. This result is literally

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Knowledge:Manual of Style/India-related articles § Preferred format for introducing the article subject

4245: 4205: 4180: 4155: 3902: 3877: 3790: 3765: 3477: 3452: 3421: 3344: 3169: 2970: 2913: 2824: 2575:'s proposal looks quite good to me. I think we should extend it to Lok Sabha constituencies as well. 1855: 1847: 1565: 1508: 906: 93: 4533: 4499: 4416: 4288: 4008: 3401: 3324: 3310: 3288: 3253: 3227: 3008: 2804: 2770: 2724: 2619: 2580: 2541: 2523: 2475: 2220: 2166: 2137: 1928: 1892: 1829: 1804: 942: 840: 84: 2966:

Number 57's provision wins only on conciseness, but fails on at least three of the other criteria.

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There are two topics here: Should we go for consistency or conciseness? If consistency, then how?

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Although I see your point about it making it look like there is a Maharashtra Lok Sabha, I think

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The rationale and consensus history (the links/diffs for which should be put into a footnote) at

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scheme, the official scheme used by the Indian government. In that scheme, it can be written as

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Overall diacritic usage is very inconsistent across the wiki, I hope a standard can be set. -

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ConstituencyName (StateName/UnionTerritoryaName State/Union Territory Lok Sabha constituency)

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Where is the indonesia related articles for applying the manual of style in editing pages?

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and the various discussions that gave rise to it and that have subsequently taken place at

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Here's an example of the sort of absurdity which arises from the failure to disambiguate:

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This guideline is unclear on whether or not to use diacritics, and in what circumstances.

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When a list of personal names in an India-related article is sorted alphabetically, which

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because my experience is that discussion of such things tend to deteriorate pretty fast.-

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when the discussion about the correct title format of constituencies is still ongoing? —

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The notes say that if multiple names/languages are to be specified, to wrap the names in

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Option 1a) always as concise as possible, i.e. include a disambiguator only when needed

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Urdu. Clarifying the scope is kind of redundant: this is after all, the MOS page for

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No other geographical area or entity with the same name: Do not disambiguate (e.g.

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is used conventionally. I have proposed to switch to ISO for Sanskrit as well (see

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After two months, no objection was raised, so the result of this discussion was to

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Gandhinagar (Jammu and Kashmir Union Territory Legislative Assembly constituency)

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Gandhi Nagar (Delhi National Capital Territory Legislative Assembly constituency)

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disambiguation by generic Indian-language name "Vidhan Sabha constituency": e.g.

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Currently, there is no consistency in the naming of State assembly constituencies

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I agree that this needs to be resurrected. IMO, the following are controversial:

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was the early used suffix for Legislative Assembly Constituency Pages (Example:

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I think no one yet (including me). I was brainstorming all possible options. --

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Note that the underlying debate here is about two ways of viewing these titles:

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called a Vidhan Sabha. It's only the building that's called the Vidhana Soudha.

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So far the main development here is the incorporation of most of the content of

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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as suffix for all pages across India without mentioning State name or the word

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A special {{indic}} template has been made to take care of formatting issues.

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Ah, I didn't mean to write Vidhana – that was a typo... On a related note, is

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Option 6 Use (Legislative Assembly constituency), concise official name, e.g.

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Removal of text about people who are widely known by honorific titles, as per

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can then grow over time as (and if) consensus is reached for each discussion.

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refers to, but I doubt anyone would seriously suggest changing its name to

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to list the names of places in Indian languages. I have therefore created

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Since we have multiple seats in different states with same name. Whereas,

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picked up because insufficient contributors can understand the scripts. -

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Question 3: How should we disambiguate the State Assembly constituencies?

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Option 1b) consistent, i.e. include a standard disambiguator in all cases

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should be deleted since it is named after a an entity which never existed

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can also co-exist.... If consistency is the key, I would suggest using

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Gandhinagar (Jammu and Kashmir State Legislative Assembly constituency)

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This is the wrong forum for deleting or merging a category. Take it to

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Gandhinagar (Jammu and Kashmir Union Territory Lok Sabha constituency)

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where currently there is no consistency. Different proposals include:

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the bare name such as "FooTown" or "FooTown East" may refer to any of

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Knowledge:Manual of Style/India-related articles § Non-English strings

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might lead to confusion for the reader as it can refer to either the

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be used for help with pronunciation. For details, refer to this RfC:

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A user actually mass moved all the constituencies in Karnataka from

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Yeah, this version is better. But I'm not sure if you have realized

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Question 2: How should we disambiguate the Lok Sabha constituencies?

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spellings as per the guidelines for India related pages": change to

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disambiguation by generic name "state assembly constituency", e.g.

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that consensus has remained stable ever since then. Similarly, see

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serves as a much better disambiguator than using "double brackets"

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was geographically very different to India as it is known today. -

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Also the "XYZ (Legislative Assembly constituency)" as proposed by

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should be used for all Indic languages except for Sanskrit, where

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Why the Karnataka Legislative Assembly constituencies pages were

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Gandhi Nagar (Karnataka State Legislative Assembly constituency)

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disambiguation by specific name "' assembly constituency": e.g.

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that this is primarily a consistency vs conciseness debate. But

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because there are many songs with the title "Hope", but we have

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Should they be used for article names? In leads? General text?

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where Mahatma is an honorific" The page is no more at the title

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Gandhinagar (Rajasthan State Legislative Assembly constituency)

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geographical area on which we could reasonably have an article.

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in the lead section, are we now recommending its use at all? --

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Gandhi Nagar (Gujarat State Legislative Assembly constituency)

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I have tried to hit brief points, you may fill in your input--

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Number 57's proposal below is more complete so I prefer it. --

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Islampur (Maharashtra State Legislative Assembly constituency)

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Khanapur (Maharashtra State Legislative Assembly constituency)

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I know what you mean. I have a lot of examples, for one being

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of the meanings are the geographic district being represented

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disambiguation by generic name "Assembly constituency", e.g.

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The word "state" or "union territory" may require to rename

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Khanapur (Karnataka State Legislative Assembly constituency)

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Khanapur (Telangana State Legislative Assembly constituency)

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Removal of the "Naming and transliteration" section as per

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Bit of a late reply, but Karnataka's Legislative Assembly

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The question is what to do with the others. The fact that

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This is another proposed addition to the naming convention

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Teacher's constituency and Local Authority constituency.

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reached a consensus sometime mid/late 2011 that specific

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Option 5 Use (State Legislative Assembly constituency),

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Option 4: Use the full name of the state assembly, e.g.

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I have a more fundamental note / question. Since this

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Footown (Maharashtra Legislative Assembly constituency)

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A few non-controversial spelling and punctuation fixes.

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Can we use slokas in articles. A on going debate is at

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Khanapur (Telangana Legislative Assembly constituency)

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Khanapur (Telangana Legislative Assembly constituency)

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Khanapur (Telangana Legislative Assembly constituency)

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All non-Sanskrit transliterations should use ISO 15919

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Really? I may be wrong but I thought the RfC etc said

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Gandhinagar (Jammu and Kashmir Assembly constituency)

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Bishnupur (Manipur Legislative Assembly constituency)

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but if there is, it may require the obnoxiously long

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Don't even use the word "constituency" in the title.

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Tamenglong (State Legislative Assembly constituency)

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Indira Nagar (Union Territory Assembly constituency)

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Preferred format for introducing the article subject

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

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This is more consistent with article practice, too.

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Removal of text about religion and mythology as per

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Editors behind this proposal may wish to step in at

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Gandhinagar (Gujarat State Lok Sabha constituency)

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Sir Jamsetjee Jeejebhoy School of Art#Famous alumni

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Knowledge:WikiProject India § Indic scripts in lead

299:discussion here of the various aspects. I emphasis 87:. I think this may be incorpoareted into this MOS. 4390:of the meanings is that it is the assembly itself. 4340:as recently as June. So we should be specific. -- 3973:Option 1: Use (state assembly constituency), e.g. 2456:Islampur (Maharashtra) (Vidhan Sabha constituency) 2213:Islampur (Maharashtra) (Vidhan Sabha constituency) 772:BTW, this came up because of a string of edits by 645:template wrapper around the script to prepend the 591:In Infoboxes for places, there are the parameters 3987:Option 3: Use (Vidhana Sabha constituency), e.g. 3751:disambiguation by specific Indian-language name " 2655:Aurangabad (Maharashtra) (Lok Sabha constituency) 1178:. The entire point of the section was how to use 4475:Shivajinagar (Maharashtra Assembly constituency) 3815:. There are other Indic language terms include, 3624:Category:Parliamentary constituencies in Ireland 2651:Aurangabad, Maharashtra (Lok Sabha constituency) 2589:Aurangabad, Maharashtra (Lok Sabha constituency) 2205:Khanapur (Vidhan Sabha constituency (Karnataka)) 85:Talk:Sritattvanidhi#Why do we need the slokas??? 3596:Question 1: disambiguate selectively or always. 3448:: I agree. An RFC is needed to clear this up. 2611:Aurangabad (Maharashtra Lok Sabha constituency) 2585:Aurangabad (Maharashtra Lok Sabha constituency) 1783: 504:to be used in the lede sentence of an article: 439:Change the spelling guideline from use of only 295:fact the consensus may have changed. We need a 4479:Shivajinagar (Karnataka Assembly constituency) 4278:actually the right name for that article? Not 4062:) etc. which are not in use at this point. -- 3723:Sultan Pur Majra (Delhi Assembly constituency) 3551:Sultan Pur Majra (Delhi Assembly constituency) 2041:That's requires a very imaginative reading of 528:to be used in the lede and gives the example: 4152:Foo (State Legislative Assembly constituency) 3756:Ramgarh (Jharkhand Vidhan Sabha constituency) 3628:Category:Constituencies in the United Kingdom 3612:Category:Canadian federal electoral districts 3555:Option 3: Disambiguation by Indian language: 1332: 1265: 985:A summary of the conclusions reached follows. 755: 749: 543: 427:Category:Knowledge Manual of Style (regional) 273:Category:Knowledge Manual of Style (regional) 8: 4451:Bangalore South (Vidhana Sabha constituency) 3989:Bangalore South (Vidhana Sabha constituency) 3980:Option 2: Use (Assembly constituency), e.g. 3744:Bangalore South (Vidhana Sabha constituency) 3557:Bangalore South (Vidhana Sabha constituency) 3545:Option 2: Disambiguation by State/UT name: 397:, which are affected. Needs to be discussed. 271:template off the top, and relinking it into 2896:Category:European Parliament constituencies 2812:.... and that's not even a definitive list. 1951:Category:Bruhat Bengaluru Mahanagara Palike 737: 4524:You are invited to join the discussion at 3975:Madurai East (state assembly constituency) 3831:) etc. which are not in use at this point. 3714:Madurai East (state assembly constituency) 3541:Madurai East (state assembly constituency) 3535:Option 1: Disambiguation by generic name: 1845: 1203: 1014:WP:WikiProject India#Indic scripts in lead 692: 651: 620: 429:. The changes that I have made to it are: 4117:etc. for assembly constituencies and Use 3733:Legislative Assembly constituency": e.g. 2441:Betul (Legislative Assembly constituency) 1839:Avoidance of Indic scripts makes no sense 1158:This is regarding the implementation per 144:Talk:Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Full_name 3517:where there is already some consistency 2423:Gwalior East (Vidhan Sabha constituency) 2389:As Tears Go By (Marianne Faithfull song) 4640:2404:8000:1027:85F6:4D2C:4F6E:D2A6:F16F 4405:Call an "assembly" simply an "assembly" 4134:Uri (Legislative Assembly constituency) 3598:Should constituency names in India be: 3098:Delhi legislative assembly constituency 2179:Legislative Assembly constituency names 2083: 2028:2001:8003:C829:E400:F091:1EFE:F47B:624B 4443:Chhindwara (Vidhan Sabha constituency) 4154:? The word "state" seems redundant. -- 3525:Chennai South (Lok Sabha constituency) 2712:34-Aurangabad (Lok Sabha constituency) 2663:41-Aurangabad (Lok Sabha constituency) 2659:34-Aurangabad (Lok Sabha constituency) 2577:Chennai South (Lok Sabha constituency) 2270:I too support Bharatiya's suggestion. 2042: 1915:transliterations should be changed to 1601: 777: 728:What about pronunciation guides, like 615: 608: 604: 600: 596: 592: 290:I think that it needs some discussion 48:Do not edit the contents of this page. 4402:Call a "district" simply a "district" 4316:State Legislative Assemblies of India 3561:Begusarai (Vidhan Sabha constituency) 2817:Template:County Antrim constituencies 2668:2. Suggesting the constituency title 2434:Alirajpur (Vidhan Sabha constituency) 1280: 746: 734: 558: 447:. This seemed like an obvious change. 111:Knowledge: Naming conventions (Indic) 7: 4483:Lucknow East (Assembly constituency) 3982:Secunderabad (Assembly constituency) 3705:Secunderabad (Assembly constituency) 3537:Secunderabad (Assembly constituency) 3482:Yeah, thats the ideal way to go. -- 2189:Khanapur (Vidhan Sabha constituency) 1986:where it will have wider attention. 976:The following discussion is closed. 752: 740: 403:Knowledge:Naming conventions (Indic) 206:One for a section on lead sections: 4603:Solution to the Indic script debate 4588:has been nominated for deletion -- 3530:Legislative assembly constituencies 3149:is a red herring, because the name 2821:Template:County Cork constituencies 2452:Islampur (Maharashtra constituency) 1443:anyway and is covered elsewhere. -- 716: 4276:State Legislative Assembly (India) 4129:etc. for Lok Sabha constituencies. 3854:; "Vidhana Sabha constituency" by 3614:, which don't always disambiguate) 1824:, does not display the same lede. 1714:Should diacritics be "extended?" 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Defining 1439:which does not seem to apply as a 1025:someone added without discussion. 28: 4634:Why just not use indonesia alone? 3754:Vidhan Sabha constituency": e.g. 3730:disambiguation by specific name " 3585:Thanks for that valuable start, @ 3102:North Delhi Municipal Corporation 2445:Betul (Vidhan Sabha constituency) 477:also require further discussion. 4519: 4449:suffix gets justified (Example: 3608:Category:New Zealand electorates 2763:Parliament of the United Kingdom 2197:Khanapur (Assembly constituency) 1955:Category:Government of Bangalore 1946:Category:Government of Bangalore 1939:Category:Government of Bangalore 1494:Nonsense about wikiproject scope 1401:WP:Manual of Style/Pronunciation 1145:The discussion above is closed. 874:I have just amended the wording 730: 33: 4435:Ayodhya (Assembly constituency) 3632:Category:Australian electorates 3502:Constituency names RFC drafting 3317:) 05:28, 16 February 2020 (UTC) 3295:) 15:48, 15 February 2020 (UTC) 3260:) 15:48, 15 February 2020 (UTC) 3234:) 15:48, 15 February 2020 (UTC) 2000:Agree with Timrollpickering. -- 1647:I understand the reasoning for 776:, adding Indic script names to 500:, it says that Indic script is 138:Biographical naming conventions 4150:Does anyone actually advocate 3850:; " assembly constituency" by 2778:Parliament of Northern Ireland 2321:needed, don't disambiguate. -- 18:Knowledge talk:Manual of Style 1: 4629:07:55, 17 November 2022 (UTC) 4558:Template:Cleanup Indic script 4469:or even mentioning the words 3807:-language term while generic 3279:17:00, 13 February 2020 (UTC) 3188:23:53, 13 February 2020 (UTC) 3119:17:20, 13 February 2020 (UTC) 3094:Rajinder Nagar (constituency) 3088:17:00, 13 February 2020 (UTC) 3019:11:18, 13 February 2020 (UTC) 2989:02:59, 13 February 2020 (UTC) 2932:02:44, 13 February 2020 (UTC) 2876:a state assembly constituency 2870:an informal geographical area 2843:03:32, 13 February 2020 (UTC) 2735:11:18, 13 February 2020 (UTC) 2697:02:26, 13 February 2020 (UTC) 2630:21:13, 12 February 2020 (UTC) 2605:21:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC) 2568:18:51, 12 February 2020 (UTC) 2534:14:22, 12 February 2020 (UTC) 2513:14:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC) 2486:13:54, 12 February 2020 (UTC) 2184:Assembly constituency etc. 2171:19:42, 12 November 2021 (UTC) 1533: 1488:14:10, 12 February 2020 (UTC) 1470:14:00, 12 February 2020 (UTC) 1453:19:11, 23 December 2017 (UTC) 1425:22:03, 21 December 2017 (UTC) 1404: 1370:12:17, 21 December 2017 (UTC) 1198:12:04, 21 December 2017 (UTC) 1119: 1094:17:49, 11 November 2017 (UTC) 1068:02:04, 11 November 2017 (UTC) 1047: 1003:09:13, 21 December 2017 (UTC) 968:'s "Lead and infobox" section 888:10:50, 6 September 2014 (UTC) 416:16:16, 26 February 2012 (UTC) 346:11:28, 24 February 2012 (UTC) 328:10:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC) 313:09:59, 24 February 2012 (UTC) 285:09:45, 24 February 2012 (UTC) 256:09:41, 24 February 2012 (UTC) 241:09:26, 24 February 2012 (UTC) 224:09:09, 24 February 2012 (UTC) 202:09:04, 24 February 2012 (UTC) 187:08:56, 24 February 2012 (UTC) 160:Resurrection of this MoS page 4447:(Vidhana Sabha constituency) 4314:. Alternatively it could be 3519:XYZ (Lok Sabha constituency) 3244:22:45, 1 February 2020 (UTC) 3217:19:36, 1 February 2020 (UTC) 2939:Please note that the policy 2401:11:13, 2 February 2020 (UTC) 2374:22:45, 1 February 2020 (UTC) 2356:19:36, 1 February 2020 (UTC) 2331:17:44, 1 February 2020 (UTC) 2316:17:15, 1 February 2020 (UTC) 2280:19:13, 5 February 2020 (UTC) 2266:16:41, 1 February 2020 (UTC) 2249:15:04, 1 February 2020 (UTC) 2229:14:49, 31 January 2020 (UTC) 2010:21:31, 19 January 2021 (UTC) 1996:19:29, 19 January 2021 (UTC) 1977:17:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC) 1809:01:52, 16 January 2021 (UTC) 1140:11:20, 4 December 2017 (UTC) 1111:09:51, 4 December 2017 (UTC) 955:11:23, 6 February 2016 (UTC) 893:Alphabetical order for names 524:, it says that Indic script 155:19:56, 1 December 2007 (UTC) 4504:19:45, 24 August 2020 (UTC) 4439:(Vidhan Sabha constituency) 3941:Do you have any inputs? -- 3145:Number47's comparison with 2710:The suggestion made to use 2685:constituency article page. 1933:17:17, 26 August 2020 (UTC) 1897:04:37, 26 August 2020 (UTC) 1628:15:00, 6 January 2018 (UTC) 1609:01:38, 6 January 2018 (UTC) 1596:01:21, 6 January 2018 (UTC) 1578:00:45, 6 January 2018 (UTC) 1554:23:36, 5 January 2018 (UTC) 1339: 1272: 550: 133:15:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC) 100:06:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC) 4663: 4648:15:36, 25 March 2023 (UTC) 4598:06:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC) 4538:12:54, 27 March 2022 (UTC) 4421:16:16, 7 August 2020 (UTC) 4232:14:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC) 3951:05:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC) 2873:an administrative division 2293:03:13, 20 April 2021 (UTC) 1902:Prefer ISO 15919 over IAST 1681:22:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC) 1665:13:10, 13 April 2018 (UTC) 1378:Simplified Transliteration 1358:User:Let There Be Sunshine 1225:Simplified Transliteration 487:09:04, 11 March 2012 (UTC) 4350:20:54, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 4328:20:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 4299:20:27, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 4264:20:39, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 4195:20:19, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 4174:20:08, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 4146:17:49, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 4072:17:30, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 4019:16:32, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 3917:20:10, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 3896:20:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 3868:19:58, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 3784:19:23, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 3664:Lok Sabha constituency)". 3579:13:59, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 3492:13:59, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 3471:13:21, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 3440:13:12, 29 July 2020 (UTC) 3394:07:32, 13 July 2020 (UTC) 2792:Northern Ireland Assembly 2142:08:59, 28 July 2021 (UTC) 2112:02:01, 28 July 2021 (UTC) 2067:09:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC) 2036:07:03, 27 June 2021 (UTC) 1788:Hunterian transliteration 1333: 1266: 1174:but more in the scope of 923:12:54, 27 July 2015 (UTC) 823:10:37, 19 July 2013 (UTC) 808:10:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC) 785:10:30, 19 July 2013 (UTC) 768:09:12, 19 July 2013 (UTC) 707: 663: 587:Translations in Infoboxes 582:06:37, 19 July 2013 (UTC) 544: 4609:Template:Infobox Chinese 3515:Lok Sabha constituencies 2901:So please, disambiguate 2879:a Lok Sabha constituency 2769:, and 1801–1922 for the 2670:Alirajpur (constituency) 2430:Alirajpur (constituency) 2381:Hope (Jack Johnson song) 2124:which transliterates to 1864:11:50, 3 June 2020 (UTC) 1834:11:03, 15 May 2020 (UTC) 1380:" which is against both 1147:Please do not modify it. 979:Please do not modify it. 864:17:14, 3 July 2014 (UTC) 845:04:26, 3 July 2014 (UTC) 658: 627: 514:Native languages in lead 4619:as an example. 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