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571:(Hillsboro, Ohio, Jan 2, 1942), uses it in the sentence: "Prime Minister Winston Churchill, leader of the world's largest democracy." It is unclear how "largest democracy" is being used: a) as euphemism for the "allies" (the US had entered WW II less than a month before, so Churchill could still be regarded as "leader"), b) by including the dominions of the British Empire (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, which had self-government by then) in the "democracy," and using "largest" in the sense of area, or c) by including the entire British Empire in the "democracy,"—and incorrectly including, as well, the colonies (like India, which were hardly governed democratically)—and employing "largest" in the sense of population. 2417:
appears to be factual and is well sourced. He states his case in a respectful manner. The only comment by another party to the dispute was by Supreme Unmanifest, who applauded F&F's work and said he would prepare a statement. Two weeks have since passed and there has been no further input by any of the parties, other than F&F. Apparently users Supreme Unmanifest and MintCond have not edited WP during that time. Accordingly, unless responses are posted here by July 1, 2008, I intend to close this mediation.
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from "terra contrata" i.e. "land opposite"; whereas "city" comes from "citizens" i.e. "people"; so "largest country" meant "largest land," but "largest city" meant "largest population (among cities)"). In addition, before the advent of national censuses, "largest" (by default) would not have been associated with population (for countries). Now, however, "largest" seems to be used as a superlative applied to countries to mean both land area and population.
787:: Others might object to the point above about literacy and argue that formal literacy is not needed to process information, as long as information about politics, governance, etc. is available to all the citizens in some medium, say in the form of radio or television. However, they too might be sobered by the statistics that in 1947, only 1500 of India's 700,000 villages—where 85% of its population lived at that time—were electrified (see 1876: 809:: One could object to the above point as well with the argument that information in the form of newspapers, radio, television, while useful, is still not essential for democracy, as long as representatives of different political parties representing differing political viewpoints can be heard by all the citizens. However, in 1998, 50 years after India's independence over 50% of all villages in India were still 1127:"Some parts of the world received substantial numbers of British emigrants and developed into what were called daughter nations. These colonies eventually became self-governing areas called dominions. Canada, Australia, and New Zealand fit this pattern. For a long time India was the most important colony in the British Empire, but after a long anticolonial struggle with Britain, independent India today is the 777:.) During the period 1951-2001, India's population had increased from 361 million to 1.028 billion. That means, for example, that the number of illiterate citizens actually increased between 1951 and 2001 (even though percentage illiteracy dropped greatly). For another example, the number of illiterate citizens in 2001 in India was greater than the entire population of the 373:, when comparing India's population to that of other countries, says, "With roughly one-sixth of the world's total population, India is the second most populous country, after China." In other words, it uses "most populous" instead of "largest" to compare population (and provides an example as well to provide more context or information). 607: 593: 589: 585: 581: 1232:
Lead paragraph: "Indian media brimmed over with news of street violence last week. Rioters shut down Agra, the home of the Taj Mahal; parents stoned a New Delhi school where a teacher was accused of sexual abuse; and in Bihar, angry bystanders and police tortured a chain snatcher, raising concerns of
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In my understanding, a hundred years ago, a time when people were more aware of the Latin roots of English words, "largest country" most often meant "largest by area," whereas, for example, "largest city" meant "largest by population." The usage is buried in the words' Latin roots ("country" comes
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Does explicit mention of democracy in either sentence, but especially in the latter—with its emphasis on the details—properly belong to the lead paragraph (geography and population) or is it more appropriate in the third paragraph (government and economy), where, in the context of other descriptions
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of a democracy was applied only to third world countries (and later to ex-Eastern Block countries), where parliamentary democracy was not a given and not expected to survive (and was therefore more of a miracle). Thus Google search for exact expression "world's largest democracy" (India) turns up
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More than enough time has elapsed since this MedCab case was opened (on June 10, 2008) for the parties to have registered an opening statement. To date, only Fowler&Fowler has done so. In essence, he argues against use of the term "largest democracy" because of its ambiguity. His presentation
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There is evidence that the expression "world's largest democracy" is of recent vintage. Although, as we have seen above, references to the "democracies of Ancient Greece" go back to the late eighteenth century (in Google Scholar), a search for "world's largest democracy" in articles or scholarly
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Paradoxically, it was the autocratic rule of the British that gave birth to the rule of the people. Democratization started when a group of concerned British citizens in India and well-to-do Indian professionals gathered in Bombay in 1885 to form a political debating society, the Indian National
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of the last 58 years, (and some readers are) and followed dictionary definitions alone, one could define "largest democracy" to mean (especially in light of OED b.) "the largest state or country in which power is vested in the elected representatives of the people."
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who made the first revert to "most populous democracy" in August 2006. In the two years that have elapsed since "democracy" was introduced into the lead, it has been "most populous" for approximately 1 year and 8 months and "largest" for the remaining four months.
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Please add your opening statement below. Fowler and Fowler has established his format. You may follow this sort of format or choose your own. If you need to reach me with a question or comment, please contact me on my talk page or e-mail me. I am here most days.
791:). These numbers increased as follows: 3,061 in 1951 (at the time of India's first elections); 21,750 in 1961; 106,931 in 1971; 273,906 in 1981; 481,124 in 1991; and 474,982 in 2004. In addition, the availability of electricity in a village does not mean that 1177:, and we have been linked by decades of close friendship." (That certainly can't be interpreted as pejorative or negative, or reflection of system bias, since it was said by the Russian minister to the Indians at the signing of the historic agreement.) 522:), define democracy to be both a form of government (OED 1.) and the country so governed (OED b.). In the Google scholar search for the expression "democracies of Ancient Greece" among scholarly articles published between 1600 and 1950, there are 2360:
Fowler and Fowler has done quite a bit of work here on an opening statement. I haven't yet seen anything from the others. I'm wondering whether they will check in anytime soon. Would Supreme Unmanifest and MintCond be willing to check in?
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I made just one change: I removed a remnant right parentheses. I too had first formatted in a fashion similar to yours—started a new paragraph at the same spot and enumerated the three meanings from OED, ... so this is great! Regards,
2671:, states in its lead, "... By far the world's largest country, it covers nearly twice the territory of Canada, the second largest." The ambiguity is often resolved both in Knowledge and other encyclopedias by reserving "largest" for 2501:, states in its lead, "... By far the world's largest country, it covers nearly twice the territory of Canada, the second largest." The ambiguity is often resolved both in Knowledge and other encyclopedias by reserving "largest" for 773:. The literacy rate increased to "18.33 per cent in 1951 (at the time of India's first elections), to 28.30 per cent in 1961, 34.45 per cent in 1971, 43.57 per cent in 1981, 52.21 per cent in 1991, and 64.84 per cent in 2001." (See 2635:
PS I have removed the "I believe ..." or "I feel ..." statements; if you'd like me to put them back, please let me know. Also, this is not exactly a brief paragraph (:)); if you'd like me to prune it, please let me know as well.
2456:? For example, you might summarize claims 1, 2, 4, 5 & 7 into a brief paragraph or two. If you agree to do this, I would suggest that we then move the discussion to the article talk page and continue the discussion there. 347:, begins its second paragraph by, "Russia is a land of superlatives. By far the world's largest country, it covers nearly twice the territory of Canada, the second largest." And these are two perfectly reliable sources! 2804:
Please feel free to correct any errors I've made. I've not been as rigorous with the quotations from OED, but hopefully, my text does convey the same meaning. Once you have checked it over, I propose to port it over to
2212:). I believe that major encyclopedias either do not use the expression "largest democracy" unqualified or use another less ambiguous expression such as "most populous democracy" (for example, in the lead of the 1138: 1031: 2716:—issues that are best avoided. Although there are POV issues in any description of governance in a country as "democratic," these are further amplified when "largest democracy" is used, since, according to the 768:
is essential for democracy, and that literacy is essential to processing it (to read newspapers, news magazines, etc.) will be sobered by the following statistics: At the time of India's independence in 1947,
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Although there are POV issues in any description of governance in a country as "democratic," these are amplified further when "largest democracy" is used, since (by OED 1), the phrase can have the meaning,
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in the lead paragraph. However, if another sentence can be added, I propose not mentioning "democracy" in the lead paragraph and, instead, adding the following (in boldface) in the third paragraph:
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households in that village are electrified: in 2001, only 40% of all rural households in India were electrified; at that time 70% of India's population was rural. Thus, even if one assumes that all
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Although India has had universal franchise since 1951, it has also suffered from some daunting problems that are traditionally seen as obstacles to the practice of democracy:
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the most populous of all nations that practice democracy." In addition, the phrase "largest democracy in X" (where, X is some large region) has been applied most often to
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with caption: "An Indian election official teaches workers at a tea plantation how to use a new electronic voting machine, in Siliguri, West Bengal State. India is the
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put in a sentence about the form of government in the first paragraph, it does suggest, in my view, that the precedent, both in the recent (two-year) history of the
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At the end of this year, "liberal" was again removed by someone, and it went back to "most populous democracy," for another six months, at the end of which the
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when responding to another participant, speak directly to them. It is a good idea to paraphrase what they have just said to show that you have understood them;
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Mediation can be a way to improve our skills in collaborative authoring and enrich our time here on WP. If we succeed at this, WP will be the better for it.
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says, "With roughly one-sixth of the world's total population, India is the second most populous country, after China." Similarly, the Knowledge article on
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says, "With roughly one-sixth of the world's total population, India is the second most populous country, after China." Similarly, the Knowledge article on
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In the Google News advanced archive search, the first use of the expression "world's largest democracy" in the news media goes back to around 1940. Of the
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The superlative "largest" (when applied to countries) has some intrinsic ambiguity. Two perfectly reliable sources can use it quite differently: thus, a
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The superlative "largest" (when applied to countries) has some intrinsic ambiguity. Two perfectly reliable sources can use it quite differently: thus, a
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long before I made my first edit on Knowledge in October 2006. It stayed that way for more than a month until it was reverted to "largest democracy" by
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democracies of ancient Greece were quite as prone to go to war and quite as desperate fighters as their contemporaries who were ruled by tyrants," (see
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largest social state in which all have equal rights, without hereditary or arbitrary differences of rank or privilege," in addition to (OED b.) "
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largest social state in which all have equal rights, without hereditary or arbitrary differences of rank or privilege," in addition to (OED b.) "
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Other newspapers and newsmedia (Washington Post, LA Times, Philadelphia Enquirer, International Herald Tribune, and so forth) have also used it
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My fifth claim is that (although newspapers and news magazines use the expression "world's largest democracy" freely, and often perfunctorily),
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There is evidence (not only the last two quotes and the Google Scholar search for 1776-1950), that admiration for (marvel at, or notice of) the
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to a small (in area) city-state with a large population or a large (in area) city-state with a small population?" is not obvious, in my opinion.
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There is no doubt that the expression "world's largest democracy" is popular. In fact, "world's largest democracy (A)" is on average used
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electrified, it still means that over 40% of Indian households had no electricity (and therefore no easy access to radio, television etc.)
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The three points above don't by any means imply that the political system in India is not a democracy, (for example, villages could have
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books published between 1776 (America's independence) and 1950 (when India became a republic and had its first elections), returns only
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just before the main clause, which then provides the context, "territory" or area, in an example. Similarly, the Britannica article on
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and others, the main architects of the page's FA drive, had no mention of "democracy," in the lead, let alone the "world's largest."
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on India says in its introduction: "The political system responsible for these gigantic successes and failures has been democratic;
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Here, in compressed format, are some other reliable sources and well-known people who have used the phrase. Among the users is
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or collections that have survey/review articles on countries, either don't use the expression "world's largest democracy" or
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Footnote 1: Parliamentary democracy was briefly suspended, from June 1975 to September 1977, during the premiership of
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The expression "world's largest industrial democracies," however, has nothing to do with population, but rather means
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Would each of you be able to begin with an opening statement? I will suggest some groundrules for our discussions.
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by using various devices: using qualifiers, replacing "largest" by other words, or providing contextual examples.
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Consequently, I feel that while any mention of democracy in the lead is best suited for the third paragraph, if it
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Fowler&fowler: Would you be willing to make a brief summary here that would be suitable to users who frequent
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with a brief introduction. Then, I can facilitate any further discussion on that page. How does that strike you?
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Hi Sunray, I was away for a few days and have only just seen this. I will post a summary later today. Regards,
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as popular than "world's largest democracy," it is not an awkward new expression that is still on wobbly legs.
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In addition, the phrase "largest democracy in X" (where, X is some large region) has been applied most often to
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I have read the statement. Thank you F&f for the good work. I will prepare the statement as soon as I can.
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times more often than "world's most populous democracy (B)" in both Google Scholar and Google News archives:
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page disambiguates by using qualifiers, "by land area" and "by population": "third largest by land area and
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on June 24, 2006. The edit was changed less than two weeks later to "most populous democracy," by an IP in
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My first claim is that there is some ambiguity in the modern usage "largest X," where X is a country.
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Thus, in the sentence (in one of the references, "The Moral Responsibility for Wars," by S. H. Allen,
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which has been in place since October 2006 (and for over a year, during this time, as "most populous
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Consequently, if space is an issue (and brevity desirable), I propose the addition (in boldface):
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cover different topics, and it is best to respect that division of content when adding new text.
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I feel that the superlative "largest" (when applied to countries) has some intrinsic ambiguity (
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Please expand to see examples of the use of the expression "world's most populous democracy."
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listed in Google Scholar, use the expression "largest industrial democracies" in the same way.
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in the world" is a more accurate (and less ambiguous) description than "largest democracy."
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Looking at the history from say, summer 2006, the "largest democracy" bit was first added by
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in the world" is a more accurate (and less ambiguous) description than "largest democracy."
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I like your summary. I have done some minor reformatting to try to improve readability:
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largest form of governance by the people" among all the nations of the world, or the "
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Subtitle: "Five decades ago, British troops pulled out of India and Pakistan, and the
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largest form of governance by the people" among all the nations of the world, or the "
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Even more appropriate and informative would the following addition (in boldface) in
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There is evidence that the phrase "the world's largest democracy" was an expression
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My second claim is that modern encyclopedias (painfully aware of this ambiguity)
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Paragraph 3: Current-day India: politics, government, economy, environment, etc.
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My fourth claim is that the expression "largest democracy" has some concomitant
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Quote: "Despite the many strands of opinion amongst the Muslim minority in the
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begins with: "About one sixth of all the human beings on Earth live in India,
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page and in other FAs, suggests that the third paragraph would be better.
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countries, and does not include India; however, it also has a concomitant
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countries, and does not include India); however, it also has concomitant
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My sixth claim is that although "world's most populous democracy" is
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The most complete modern dictionary definitions of "democracy," (see
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in October 2006. On 22 October, "largest democracy" was removed by
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May be those two accounts were single-purpose accounts, or socks? --
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After I started editing Knowledge, the issue was first raised in
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My eighth claim is that the first and third paragraphs in the
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the most populous of all nations that practice democracy."
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Thus, the Britannica quote above has, "largest" occur in an
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to be made in the first paragraph, the form "most populous
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countries. India is therefore nowhere to be found in the
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uses that expression in two other places. Its article on
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imply a comparison of political systems (as in statements
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calls China the "world's largest country," whereas this
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its anomalies in some fashion. For example, the 40-page
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calls China the "world's largest country," whereas the
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its anomalies in some fashion (for example, the 40-page
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India has called itself "the world's largest democracy."
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as well. The claim is based on a series of sub-claims:
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Knowledge talk:Mediation Cabal
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liberal democracy
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