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literally anyone who's played music. I have three different cousins who have all recorded and published music on YouTube, Spotify, etc. but there's no way I would call any of them notable. If the band has coverage in newspapers, magazines, established online sources that aren't blogs, then they would be considered notable enough for a Knowledge (XXG) article.
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certification is completely excessive for the UK, which has a different grading system to most other countries. A silver certification requires 200,000 sales, and required 250,000 sales before 1989. That is actually more than enough, especially for a country that does not have diamond certification,
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Nobody is saying that they have to have sold millions of records to be included on Knowledge (XXG). But "notable" means that someone outside of their social media and friends and family have written about them. We need to establish some criteria for notability otherwise Knowledge (XXG) would include
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I feel that the gold record or higher criteria for music, along with the rest of it is a little too high a bar. I understand that a small screaming punk garage band called β€œMy Nefarious Loins” or something may not be considered notable, however a band that has recorded and published music but is not
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and whose silver certification is (having regard to relative population) much stricter than gold certification elsewhere including the US. The present criteria is obviously based on RIAA and is USA-centric. It should be changed. Silver certification in the UK should suffice.
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Is there a template message people can use when they find band spam? I'd like to be able to leave a message on talk pages explaining the criteria and linking here. Is there such a thing? If there's anything good it would be great to add it to twinkle.
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it for other reasons. I have nothing more to say here, but would be listening to additional advice here if it will be forthcoming. To save bandwidth: I think that I understand both the PAYWALL and the reasons for that quite well, it is a
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in the vast majority of cases, any song that charts on the Billboard Hot 100 can be presumed to have charted on the other charts, and specifically mentioning the position will simply clutter an article
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Thank you for the advice. This particular situation is actually quite simple, as the article in question is both brand new and clearly deficient in all other aspects, so I am going to
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is an impossibly subjective standard of no use to Knowledge (XXG) editors. Who gets to say any band is good or bad? Professional music critics, not individual Knowledge (XXG) editors.
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subscriptions; it's ok if, as a new page patroller, you have to give up on reviewing a specific article because the sources are too hard to access; doesn't make the sources wrong.
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chart that bothered me. My question essentially was and is: is it worth even bothering here with paywalled charts when public ones, like
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Tangential–does "national music chart" in NMUSIC#2 refer to any chart considered worthy of inclusion in an article (which is what
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can be modified by adding that an important chart should be at the very least publicly available? Any hints will be appreciated.
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to use the inaccessible "dependent/component/mathematically related charts" (terminology from CHARTS), but we do not seem to
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way. Bands that have never had gold records can still pass other NMUSIC criteria listed here, and can still have enough
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to do that. With the particular article, I did not reject notability out of hand, and draftified for other reasons.
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Green Day size should not be blocked off of Knowledge (XXG), especially if they’re good. This band in question is
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You can use {{Notability|1=music}} to tag bands that may not meet the criteria for inclusion, which links to
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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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are readily available from the same organization and thus presumably reflect the same ratings?
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by modifying the criteria in a way that the hidden charts simply do not count for
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when the only claim to fame is a chart hidden from casual users? Perhaps,
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the primary, genre-indiscriminate chart for a country, such as the
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An extremely short article referencing a closed Billboard rating
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Yes, of course. I have also read the following statement on
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meeting any of these criteria does not mean that an article
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Old topics on this talk page are automatically archived by
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PAYWALL explicitly includes online publications (such as
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Have you considered that the chart in the article the
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