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Knowledge, as an intermediary, is primarily accountable for what transpires on its platform ā whether it concerns the sources its community deems reliable, those it disqualifies, or how it handles users who revert edits to a preferred version or block dissenting views. This also includes the types of communities it allows to flourish within itself and which it systematically restricts. My understanding is that the issue here, compared to platforms like X (formerly
Twitter), is that users on Knowledge are often exposed to a single narrative, with certain viewpoints censored to push specific agendas (referred to as POV pushing in Knowledgeās terms). You even have to adhere to a NPOV, based on sources that are more or less ideologically similar, as many sources from the other side are outright dismissed as unreliable by the community or removed by mob rule (coincidence that only one side is most of the time considered correct?). The fact which makes wiki more important is that Knowledge, unlike X, is an educational platform involved in shaping future minds. This does not bode well for Knowledgeās operations in India. They may be required to pay fines to continue their operations, or possibly face some form of a ban.
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agenda. The intent was simply to inform. Whether one chooses to believe it or not is not my concern; that responsibility falls on
Wikimedia and the editors involved. This issue extends beyond ANI; it affects all Indian news sources that do not align with leftist, globalist, or Islamist ideologies. Funnily enough, ANI is labeled as a propaganda tool for the Indian government, regardless of whether it's the BJP or Congress in power. It's even a further step towards an anti-India bias, not just anti-right wing. Notably, the primary source used to defame ANI was Alt News, run by Mohammed Zubair. Unfortunately, I do not have Alt News reporting on this matter. Whether you choose to accept this information or not is entirely up to you; it is not my concern. If you have any other contradictory information from 'most reliable' sources, then please share or i would request you to at least give some benefit of the doubt.
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Knowledge does decide to share IP addresses or ranges (which is highly improbable), a legal notice to the ISP would be necessary to obtain the exact subscriber details tied to the specific IP address at the time of the edit. If the individual was using a VPN service, however, this would significantly complicate matters, making identification nearly impossible.
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is the one that I find funny - ANI complaining about someone using third party material, which they quite frequently do themselves. "PTI advocate
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British-Indian writer who was barred from entry? Only time will tell. Knowledge may be reverting to its roots. It
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This is what every anti-Knowledge person in India does, especially when itās related to the BJP. They donāt look at the sources; they just accuse Knowledge of making things up. But they actually know that Knowledge cites sourcesāthey just refuse to acknowledge it. Because, their motive is always to
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The crux of the case as far as I could read is that the editors did not quote proper sources and other citations while doing so. If they did, the defamation case would have been against the source rather than Knowledge. It is always advised to edit Knowledge by citing proper reliable sources rather
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Since we don't have news coverage of what happened on 20 August (which is itself quite suspicious), the newspapers have been trying to reconstruct what happened on that day. This one is ANI's version of what happened. I guess that the ANI's meaning of "administrators" is Wikimedia-appointed staff,
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Information is available through multiple Indian news sources. I just summarised it. However, if you are referring to "the sources" that Knowledge deems infallible and most reliable, I am not certain. The objective here is not to introduce this material into Knowledge with citations to further any
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There has been no specific update on the order from the September 5 hearing that I am aware of as of now. The developments I initially mentioned to Kautilya are the latest updates, especially Justice Navin Chawla's vocal warning. I will keep my eyes and ears open. This situation could seriously
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Moreover, Knowledge is known for its staunch commitment to protecting user privacy. In this case, it is likely that Knowledge itself, rather than the individual editors or even the sources cited, would bear responsibility considering wikipedia wont reveal anything. As I understand Indian law,
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I will impose contempt...It is not a question of Defendant No 1 not being an entity in India. We will close your business transactions here. We will ask the government to block Knowledge...Earlier also you people have taken this argument. If you donāt like India, please donāt work in
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Couldn't find any reputed articles opinionating on Wiki by reputed right-wing circles like RSS and VHP, but few organisation (Hindu Raksha Dal for example) are of the opinion that Wikimedia foundation is a CIA front etc...
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