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Well, I just tagged the categories that were empty, I'm not sure how else to see which ones were "in use". There were a few that had empty category tags on them but I got from your message above that they were all good to go. After tagging over a hundred of them as CSD C1 empty categories, they were
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I have little understanding of what the purpose of this template is, and seeing it at the bottom of a bunch of pages without any information or highlight descriptions is rather confusing. The name is especially confusing. The term "Authority control" implies that the template was added by some admin
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started in 2022. It is now extremely rare to find a page with a local parameter, so I assume that all users of this template are now aware of familiar with adding these identifiers to
Wikidata. This would also bring the template in line with many other language versions (Spanish, Italian, Japanese,
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I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say here. Can you provide an example where putting this template on an article redirect would show identifiers not present in the same
Wikidata item? Never mind that most redirects don't even have a Wikidata item, and putting the template on those is
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No, it's not really similar. Putting these pages in categories mean that they can be seen when browsing the category. Authority control serves no such purpose, I compared it to putting references on a redirect because that (or external links) is a much more comparable use case. These aren't seen
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I regularly tag empty categories CSD C1 which typically happens when an article that was the solitary member of a category is deleted. But tonight, all of these categories became empty all at once and I'm wondering if this is due to a template change. Before I tag all 140 for speedy deletion, I
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Thank you Martin for informing me of this issue. For the record, it isn't that the script purposefully removes the template, it just strips all unrelated content that isn't typically used for redirects. I would be more than happy to add a checkbox to the script and automatic keeping of existing
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as a way to control the article in some sense. I suggest renaming it to something more descriptive that better illustrates what the use is. Looking at the talk history this has been suggested a number of times with no objections. Maybe something like "Knowledge (XXG)-external database links".
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There are lots of actors who redirect to their well-known work, or musicians who redirect to their band, etc. It is quite common to add these redirects to categories, so putting authority control is a similar idea. No strong opinion on it though, except that bots/scripts probably shouldn't be
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quickly deleted as CSD C4s, a criteria I was unfamiliar with, but should have known about after so many years here and work I do with categories. But it doesn't show up as an option on
Twinkle which I depend on for page tagging so lesson learned. ABL, always be learnin'.
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deals with."? How so? All ids in the template come from
Wikidata in the first place. I see no reason to place this on redirects (and definitely not that it "should" be done), redirects aren't meant to be seen and we also don't put e.g. references on redirects.
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Okay, then I just don't see the purpose of placing such a subset of indicators on a redirect, where no readers will see it and where we not put any other content, external links, references, ... anyway. Why make an exception for this?
2309:"Authoritative identifiers" might be more accurate as a description. It is unrelated to the use of authority to control anybody else and so it is natural that the correct term for this data confuses and alarms some readers. —
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Is it possible to edit the
Authority Control structure to display the "Open Sanctions ID". This solution is implemented in "вс" Template in Russian wikipedia (Шаблон:Внешние ссылки). It is missing in English version.
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My script now preserves the usage of the template, though it doesn't add anything to the interface to add this. If it becomes highly used on redirects I can add this later on. Thank you @
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2017:...) which do not accept local parameters. We will continue indefinitely to track cases when an editor tries to add a local parameter, to ensure that no data is lost — Martin
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I have added this to the sandbox and there is an example below. Can you explain what this identifier is, and why it would be useful for the
English Knowledge (XXG)? — Martin
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I see no problem with including this template on redirects, and I have added quite a few myself. I don't think the script should be removing these without asking — Martin
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Some identifiers have changed name and our categories have not kept up. In this case (example above) it does link to MathSciNet and this is the label we use. — Martin
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shouldn't be placed on redirects where it doesn't display anything. I'd assumed that was implicit above, but thanks for pointing out that it does need to be specified.
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discussions and keep related topics together, all sub-template talk pages and their related category talk pages; and the Lua module talk page, redirect here.
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Looks good. Added to /staging for next update. I shortened the label slightly (removed id, seemed redundant) and tightened up the pattern check — Martin
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with more information guiding the reader to the item entry, rather than then having to add both templates to applicable redirects. ~
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and give us an example here. It would also be helpful if you could provide some more background on this identifier — Martin
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I have corrected the pattern and converted the examples above. Does anyone have any concerns about adding this? — Martin
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thought I'd inquire here to see if anyone knew what was up. Thanks for any help you can provide.
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1981:Option 1.5
1860:Of course
1828:(Q3907614)
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1281:ELMCIP ID
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529:discussion
415:To-do list
380:page were
350:discussion
340:discussion
303:centralise
81:test cases
68:categories
2730:Nbarchaeo
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2571:'Germany'
2135:— Martin
1522:ten years
1433:— Martin
1356:this edit
1252:— Martin
962:— Martin
773:'AUSPARL'
664:attention
629:Auxiliary
591:testcases
560:testcases
174:if needed
157:Be polite
118:template.
112:talk page
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44:protected
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1283:(P12204)
1038:Yes, at
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657:Category
581:subpages
550:subpages
543:Template
461:Migrate
334:Snowball
323:deletion
301:To help
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142:get help
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2072:(P4457)
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1203:in the
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648:sandbox
634:sandbox
615:sandbox
610:staging
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555:sandbox
465:for CCG
443:refresh
431:history
262:30 days
75:sandbox
2689:(P227)
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190:Index
170:Seek
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475:Done
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425:edit
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