263:). Regarding image at the top of the article rather than prefecture symbol, I agree the prefecture symbol may not be the most useful thing to see at the top of the article but I'd much prefer we swap the symbol and locator map than add a photograph (and if we add a photograph, I think it should be included in the table rather than outside the table). The point of the template and table is to have a visually consistent spot (top right) for the basic information about the article. I'd include prefecture symbol and locator map in "basic information". For biographical articles and articles about some geographic features (mountain peaks, waterfalls) I think it's possible for a photograph to be considered "basic information", but I don't see how a single photograph can possibly encompass an entire prefecture (I'm assuming you're not talking about a photograph from space). So for the prefecture articles I think photographs should follow the table. I've deferred converting the table in the
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example, pre-Meiji Era individuals are almost exclusively known in their SN-GN order, so that is what people are going to type in the search field when they do a search on the
Knowledge. Even modern individuals, if they are not famous (or at least not famous outside of Japan) will most likely be known in their Japanese name order. As I research this issue, I am starting to thing that the Encyclopedia Britannica policy, where the article name for all Japanese persons is in the Japanese name order, may actually be the best policy for the Knowledge as well. ] 04:26, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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effect. For example, there were actually Jewish communities in Japan (in Tokyo and Kobe) nad they received the effect, even if it was smaller than in Europe. On the other hand, it was entirely a community of foreigners in very limited area and most of
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are not readily distinguishable for westerners (i.e. John, Thom, Bob), then they conformed to the GN-SN so unknowning westerners knew which was GN and which was SN. However, this is no longer the case, in my experience. Most people who deal with
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either way is going to create some inconsistencies with what is most often read. At least if we keep it consistent, with a little frame explaining what is most common, with redirects, everyone will get to the information, and get a nice little explanation of
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Hello GK, I agree that having a standard helps people be sure they have gotten the right person. My proposed standard is SN-GN for people born before 1868; GN-SN for those born in or after 1868. It's a clear standard, and easy to implement. I wrote a draft of a page that would explain it if it should
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Kurosawa: 672,000. Kurosawa Akira: 192,000. That way people can be informed as to the most easily recognizable use, as well as which name is which. It'd be a good compromise that would stick to the official wikipedia policies, as well as providing the information on Japanese
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Britannica as well as the Yahoo & Encyclopedia.com online encyclopedias. Britannica used the SN FN format in the article but the Yahoo & Encyclopedia.com used SN, FN in article titles and inside the article, they used FN SN as in the case of the Junichiro Koizumi article
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Otherwise we will always be arguing exceptions, strange rules (Meiji divide?), or some other strangeness. Certainly some people will post GN LN, but editors can either 1) edit into LN GN format, 2) create a redirect, 3) correct the link into the existing LN GN article (most cases). We do the same
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publication. If you search Google for the reverse ("Teika Fujiwara"), you will find that almost all of those listing have a comma between the two names (that is "Teika, Fujiwara" or "GN, SN", which the opposite of what you are recommending) and that version of the name is in addition to more common
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It may be true that most people who deal with JP/KR/CN know the name order but that leaves out the other 99% of the readers. The English wiki should follow English conventions. The Japanese wiki should follow Japanese conventions. (IMO, that is). Note that the vote is not only about the title, it
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Frankly, I don't see why this is such a debate. Japanese use SN-GN in all documents, official, business, personal-- everything. The only time Japanese use GN-SN is when they are trying to go out of their way for westerners, and trying to fit into western constraints. Because Japanese given names
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has previously expressed a preference for the English wikipedia maps (I prefer the ja: ones, but don't care enough to pursue this - although feel free). Per above, I don't think there should be a photograph in the position you've put the one for Shiga. Perhaps before adding more we should try to
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on what would be an appropriate graphic to add to the japan-stub. If someone knows of a good drawing (or photo maybe) that would look good shrunk down to approx. 40 pixels square that is in the public domain or could be used under the GFDL license, please join the discussion. ] 08:12, 22 Dec 2004
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Okay. I think it is time for a vote/decision. How do we resolve this? Revmachine has his opinion, Taku, Gk, and I have ours-- we have each made our points, presented evidence (encyclopedias on the one side, newspapers on the other). I think we need to set this out and go with it. Do we vote?
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As an English speaking person living in Japan, I write my Romanji name First Name Last Name. When I right my name in Katakana, I write it Last Name First Name. If we use George W. Bush as an example, if you do a Knowledge search on Bush George, there is no redirect to his page. You can however
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Recommending that the default for all Japanese names is GN-SN so that some native English-language speakers don't get confused is also making the assumption that knowing a person's last name is very important, when the real issue is "how do we make sure we have identified the correct person". For
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Well, I'm in no rush to add photos so take your time to vote on it. I've already started adding photos for some cities and towns in Shiga. (Eventually all the cities and towns in Shiga will have at least one image.) The image is always at the top of the page (mainly because there's so little text
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Soon I'll start adding photos to the prefecture pages. But I want the image to be displayed at the top, above the prefectural symbol. Almost all the prefecture pages with images have the image(s) toward the bottom. So the first thing you see on the prefecture page is the prefectural symbol. Is it
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I am glad this debate is going on because it has helped me become clearing on my own opinions on the subject, and actually made me change my mind. This debate has already been going on for awhile, and for something so important, I think that it should continue for awhile longer. Until things are
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Furthermore, you look at the front page of the Japan Times today at the "Koizumi to keep pressing Pyongyang" article first paragraph, I quote "Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi said Saturday...". Note the GN LN format, in a newspaper published in Japan with a Japanese editor-in-chief. Again, in
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Precisely it is not true "no direct effect on Japan"; I would like to say quite small effect. Most of Japanese didn't notice or mind Hitler's racism actually, and the reason is has no substantial effect on the diplomatic relation between two states in those days. But it doesn't mean there was no
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OK, give me some time to pick out some photos. I'll let you know when I upload and insert them. My priority will be Shiga Prefecture and I will adopt it as my baby (at least one photo for every single city and town). So what's the difference between the list of Participants above and the List of
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I like the idea of the page, and I agree with the text, except for the idea that we would go with the Meiji divide-- I thought that got the least amounts of votes... no? I'm sorry, but the reasoning behind the Meiji divide is simply unsound, for all the reasons we have argued on the discussion
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It is not true. I live in Tokyo, and have studied Japan's Foreign Policy and History for some 16 years now. Granted, Hitler is not seen as the Devil Himself in Japan, but that is more because there was no direct effect on Japan (i.e. no Jewish Community or Holocaust Survivors group to remind
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I'm sorry, but your example of George Bush is insufficient, if not inapplicable. Of course George BUsh would appear as George Bush, because that is his name order in his home country (USA), his mother toungue, as well as the language of the article (both English). You admit that you use the
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that important?? I don't think most people care what the prefectural symbol is. I'd rather see a more representative image of the prefecture. If it's okay to put my image on the top, then I will proceed. But I couldn't figure out how to do it without ruining the layout. I tried to do it for
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Hello, I just started browsing around the Japan section and plan to add some photos. The public domain requirement kind of irks me, but I have some decent images (especially festivals) that I would not mind donating. Sorry, but they won't be my best shots. I'm also knowledgeable about Shiga
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Here is my problem with the proposed Meiji divide. My knowledge about Japanese names is mostly for Japanese haiku and tanka poets. Every one of those poets, including the post-Meiji and even the living ones, are known almost exclusively by their SN-GN order, except for a very few, such as
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for French, German, and European names (with their accent marks, graves, umlauts, etc.). Would we also force those names into standard 26 letter format for the benefit of the "English"? No. To do so with the Japanese (or Chinese or Korean) is potentially just as culturally offensive.
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Could some of the Japanese members take a look at the Kimi Ga Yo article. To me, it looks rather POV. If the article does a fairly good job of representing the arguments being used in Japan, then it looks like the pro-Kimi Ga Yo camp are misrepresenting the facts (see my remarks at
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that the image would float on the top anyway). So I don't see why we can't do it for prefectures too. What I was trying to say from the beginning is that, seeing a photo is more interesting than seeing the prefectural symbol which is the first thing the eye looks at on the page.
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contains the sentence: "However in the East, he and Nazism are seen in a much more neutral context, sometimes even favorably, such as in Japan and India and much of the Islamic world." Is that true as far as Japan is concerned? Many thanks for any help you can give me.
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article about Go in mathematics and it refered to Japanese scholars in SN-GN formats just like for other Chinese and Korean people, even they are contemporary figures. In sum, we have contradicting cases about the convention of Japanese names in English writing. --
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avoiding the funny German characters. This is a commonplace practice in international business and not culturally insenstive. This is just the way English & international business is done. Münster becomes Muenster, Schloß becomes Schloss etc.
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listed is more accurately a translator. He has a lot of translation credits if you look up his name at amazon.co.jp (assuming it's the same person). I think Aphaea is referring to the artist who is probably more famous than the "author". See
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Somewhere in the Knowledge, or maybe it was Media-Wiki I saw a tool that allowed one to show a tree of linkages for a particular category, but now I can't find it. It would really help straiten things out. ;-) ] 11:42, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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find his entry with either George Bush or George W. Bush. Also, his title page is "George W. Bush". English articles should be titled FN LN, and a redirect used for those who might search for an article with LN FN convention.
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society of his evil). Japanese would rather forget about the war and that portion of history-- they have moved on. If any memories remain, they center on Japan's atrocities in China, and/or the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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also hasn't been converted due to the same reason - its table lists the prefectural fish). If you read this and still favor adding photographs, I think we might want to consider trying to convene a vote. --
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for a future collaboration of the week. About 40 articles link to it, but it's only a few sentences long. I'm going to put suggestions on the article's discussion page. Everybody's welcome to participate!
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in all cases. The redirects can be put in place where needed. If anything, we can perhaps have a {{Asian Name Order}} that can be included on all these redirects that gives a short explanation.
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article and add in some of the important actors, playrights, plays, etc. that the article is missing. Then start attacking any related topics that are stubs or red-linked, such as
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has the top image inside the data box. This would solve the problem, but I looked at that code and it looks outdated. Can anybody suggest a better code or way to do it?
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Prefecture, so my activity will be centered on that prefecture. I've already written the Tourism article there (will be improved) and photos are coming.
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Again I ask, what encyclopedias? I've already mentioned
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1649:http://www.janime.net/images/series1_11/02/45.jpg
1421:, but I didn't know about the rest of his story.)
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