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263:). Regarding image at the top of the article rather than prefecture symbol, I agree the prefecture symbol may not be the most useful thing to see at the top of the article but I'd much prefer we swap the symbol and locator map than add a photograph (and if we add a photograph, I think it should be included in the table rather than outside the table). The point of the template and table is to have a visually consistent spot (top right) for the basic information about the article. I'd include prefecture symbol and locator map in "basic information". For biographical articles and articles about some geographic features (mountain peaks, waterfalls) I think it's possible for a photograph to be considered "basic information", but I don't see how a single photograph can possibly encompass an entire prefecture (I'm assuming you're not talking about a photograph from space). So for the prefecture articles I think photographs should follow the table. I've deferred converting the table in the 284:. In this case, the image cannot be wider than 285px, which is fine with me. The page looks much more interesting and colorful now. I don't favor putting it inside the data box if we can leave it outside like that on top of the data box. If this is okay with people, I will start inserting images in the same way for other prefectures. I really think there should be a nice picture at the top, the first thing that people see on the page. I can do this for the cities and towns, so why not for the prefectures? I don't mind swapping the pref. symbol and map. But if you're going to do this, why not use the map the Japanese page uses? It looks much better (and includes the Northern Territories). Also add the Japanese page's prefecture map too (if it has been redrawn to match the municipal mergers/dissolutions). And on the Japan map, it would be nice to see pointers to the major cities. A lot of work to be sure... 479:
example, pre-Meiji Era individuals are almost exclusively known in their SN-GN order, so that is what people are going to type in the search field when they do a search on the Knowledge. Even modern individuals, if they are not famous (or at least not famous outside of Japan) will most likely be known in their Japanese name order. As I research this issue, I am starting to thing that the Encyclopedia Britannica policy, where the article name for all Japanese persons is in the Japanese name order, may actually be the best policy for the Knowledge as well. ] 04:26, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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effect. For example, there were actually Jewish communities in Japan (in Tokyo and Kobe) nad they received the effect, even if it was smaller than in Europe. On the other hand, it was entirely a community of foreigners in very limited area and most of Japanese had no relation to those communities. So it has been difficult for most Japanese to recognize the effect of German policies in those days. --
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are not readily distinguishable for westerners (i.e. John, Thom, Bob), then they conformed to the GN-SN so unknowning westerners knew which was GN and which was SN. However, this is no longer the case, in my experience. Most people who deal with Japanese (or Koreans or Chinese) now have a basic understanding that name order is SN-GN. I don't think there should even be a Meji divide. I
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do they live in countries where English is the dominant language. Although many of the initial policies for the Knowledge were developed with the assumption that the main audience for the English-language Knowledge would be native English speakers, I think that assumption deserves to be challenged since the Knowledge is truely becoming a World Encyclopedia.
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either way is going to create some inconsistencies with what is most often read. At least if we keep it consistent, with a little frame explaining what is most common, with redirects, everyone will get to the information, and get a nice little explanation of Japanese naming conventions, and what the most common usage is.
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Hello GK, I agree that having a standard helps people be sure they have gotten the right person. My proposed standard is SN-GN for people born before 1868; GN-SN for those born in or after 1868. It's a clear standard, and easy to implement. I wrote a draft of a page that would explain it if it should
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The registered user/editors for the Knowledge are probably a fairly good representation of the regular "reader" population for the Knowledge. If you look at the information that they have put on their user pages, you will see that there are fair percentage of them are not native-English speakers, nor
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Some people have recommended that default for Japanese names to be used in the English-language Knowledge should be the GN-SN order, even when that person has never been known or referred to in that order. Although it is a highly loaded phrase, the only adequate description for an attitude like that,
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is your friend... Akira Kurosawa: 672,000. Kurosawa Akira: 192,000. That way people can be informed as to the most easily recognizable use, as well as which name is which. It'd be a good compromise that would stick to the official wikipedia policies, as well as providing the information on Japanese
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In my humble opinion, I think that all Japanese names SHOULD follow the English naming conventions, with redirects from the Japanese order, and little boxes to the side explaining (with kanji) the person's surname, given name, and in which order it most often appears. Inconsistency isn't great, and
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I just checked the Britannica as well as the Yahoo & Encyclopedia.com online encyclopedias. Britannica used the SN FN format in the article but the Yahoo & Encyclopedia.com used SN, FN in article titles and inside the article, they used FN SN as in the case of the Junichiro Koizumi article
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Otherwise we will always be arguing exceptions, strange rules (Meiji divide?), or some other strangeness. Certainly some people will post GN LN, but editors can either 1) edit into LN GN format, 2) create a redirect, 3) correct the link into the existing LN GN article (most cases). We do the same
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publication. If you search Google for the reverse ("Teika Fujiwara"), you will find that almost all of those listing have a comma between the two names (that is "Teika, Fujiwara" or "GN, SN", which the opposite of what you are recommending) and that version of the name is in addition to more common
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It may be true that most people who deal with JP/KR/CN know the name order but that leaves out the other 99% of the readers. The English wiki should follow English conventions. The Japanese wiki should follow Japanese conventions. (IMO, that is). Note that the vote is not only about the title, it
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Frankly, I don't see why this is such a debate. Japanese use SN-GN in all documents, official, business, personal-- everything. The only time Japanese use GN-SN is when they are trying to go out of their way for westerners, and trying to fit into western constraints. Because Japanese given names
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BTW, I work for a German company in Japan, who as a matter of corporate policy, avoid any special characters in the spelling of their proper names in order to have a uniform, standardized and completely international operation. So when we have a German guy come into town, his meisi are printed up
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has previously expressed a preference for the English wikipedia maps (I prefer the ja: ones, but don't care enough to pursue this - although feel free). Per above, I don't think there should be a photograph in the position you've put the one for Shiga. Perhaps before adding more we should try to
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on what would be an appropriate graphic to add to the japan-stub. If someone knows of a good drawing (or photo maybe) that would look good shrunk down to approx. 40 pixels square that is in the public domain or could be used under the GFDL license, please join the discussion. ] 08:12, 22 Dec 2004
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Okay. I think it is time for a vote/decision. How do we resolve this? Revmachine has his opinion, Taku, Gk, and I have ours-- we have each made our points, presented evidence (encyclopedias on the one side, newspapers on the other). I think we need to set this out and go with it. Do we vote?
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As an English speaking person living in Japan, I write my Romanji name First Name Last Name. When I right my name in Katakana, I write it Last Name First Name. If we use George W. Bush as an example, if you do a Knowledge search on Bush George, there is no redirect to his page. You can however
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Recommending that the default for all Japanese names is GN-SN so that some native English-language speakers don't get confused is also making the assumption that knowing a person's last name is very important, when the real issue is "how do we make sure we have identified the correct person". For
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Well, I'm in no rush to add photos so take your time to vote on it. I've already started adding photos for some cities and towns in Shiga. (Eventually all the cities and towns in Shiga will have at least one image.) The image is always at the top of the page (mainly because there's so little text
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Soon I'll start adding photos to the prefecture pages. But I want the image to be displayed at the top, above the prefectural symbol. Almost all the prefecture pages with images have the image(s) toward the bottom. So the first thing you see on the prefecture page is the prefectural symbol. Is it
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I am glad this debate is going on because it has helped me become clearing on my own opinions on the subject, and actually made me change my mind. This debate has already been going on for awhile, and for something so important, I think that it should continue for awhile longer. Until things are
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Furthermore, you look at the front page of the Japan Times today at the "Koizumi to keep pressing Pyongyang" article first paragraph, I quote "Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi said Saturday...". Note the GN LN format, in a newspaper published in Japan with a Japanese editor-in-chief. Again, in
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Precisely it is not true "no direct effect on Japan"; I would like to say quite small effect. Most of Japanese didn't notice or mind Hitler's racism actually, and the reason is has no substantial effect on the diplomatic relation between two states in those days. But it doesn't mean there was no
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OK, give me some time to pick out some photos. I'll let you know when I upload and insert them. My priority will be Shiga Prefecture and I will adopt it as my baby (at least one photo for every single city and town). So what's the difference between the list of Participants above and the List of
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I like the idea of the page, and I agree with the text, except for the idea that we would go with the Meiji divide-- I thought that got the least amounts of votes... no? I'm sorry, but the reasoning behind the Meiji divide is simply unsound, for all the reasons we have argued on the discussion
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Of course, the difference here is that wikipedia is an encyclopedia. I saw somehere someone noted Britannica uses SN-GN (LN-GN) formats. If you look at some English publications on Japanese history or cultures like Go, you can find they are using SN-GN. In fact, the other day, I was reading an
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It is not true. I live in Tokyo, and have studied Japan's Foreign Policy and History for some 16 years now. Granted, Hitler is not seen as the Devil Himself in Japan, but that is more because there was no direct effect on Japan (i.e. no Jewish Community or Holocaust Survivors group to remind
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I'm sorry, but your example of George Bush is insufficient, if not inapplicable. Of course George BUsh would appear as George Bush, because that is his name order in his home country (USA), his mother toungue, as well as the language of the article (both English). You admit that you use the
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that important?? I don't think most people care what the prefectural symbol is. I'd rather see a more representative image of the prefecture. If it's okay to put my image on the top, then I will proceed. But I couldn't figure out how to do it without ruining the layout. I tried to do it for
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Hello, I just started browsing around the Japan section and plan to add some photos. The public domain requirement kind of irks me, but I have some decent images (especially festivals) that I would not mind donating. Sorry, but they won't be my best shots. I'm also knowledgeable about Shiga
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Here is my problem with the proposed Meiji divide. My knowledge about Japanese names is mostly for Japanese haiku and tanka poets. Every one of those poets, including the post-Meiji and even the living ones, are known almost exclusively by their SN-GN order, except for a very few, such as
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for French, German, and European names (with their accent marks, graves, umlauts, etc.). Would we also force those names into standard 26 letter format for the benefit of the "English"? No. To do so with the Japanese (or Chinese or Korean) is potentially just as culturally offensive.
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Could some of the Japanese members take a look at the Kimi Ga Yo article. To me, it looks rather POV. If the article does a fairly good job of representing the arguments being used in Japan, then it looks like the pro-Kimi Ga Yo camp are misrepresenting the facts (see my remarks at
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that the image would float on the top anyway). So I don't see why we can't do it for prefectures too. What I was trying to say from the beginning is that, seeing a photo is more interesting than seeing the prefectural symbol which is the first thing the eye looks at on the page.
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there is a vote on possible changes for what I thought was already a pretty good Knowledge standard -- "use the form of a person's name that is most widely known and used by English speakers". Unfortunately there have been a few Eurocentric individuals who have suggested that
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contains the sentence: "However in the East, he and Nazism are seen in a much more neutral context, sometimes even favorably, such as in Japan and India and much of the Islamic world." Is that true as far as Japan is concerned? Many thanks for any help you can give me.
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In my opinion, it is not mundatory but an invitation for collaboration; fun for us and informative for all including others. Anyway there are many stubby or nonexistential articles related to Japan. And I found intensive collaboration works well to improve the article.
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article about Go in mathematics and it refered to Japanese scholars in SN-GN formats just like for other Chinese and Korean people, even they are contemporary figures. In sum, we have contradicting cases about the convention of Japanese names in English writing. --
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I've also been turning any Japan-related {stubs} that I accidentally run into into {japan-stubs}, but if anyone want's some real mindless work to do for awhile (instead of thinking hard about rewrites and fixups for Japan-related articles), they can go through
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avoiding the funny German characters. This is a commonplace practice in international business and not culturally insenstive. This is just the way English & international business is done. Münster becomes Muenster, Schloß becomes Schloss etc.
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listed is more accurately a translator. He has a lot of translation credits if you look up his name at amazon.co.jp (assuming it's the same person). I think Aphaea is referring to the artist who is probably more famous than the "author". See
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Somewhere in the Knowledge, or maybe it was Media-Wiki I saw a tool that allowed one to show a tree of linkages for a particular category, but now I can't find it. It would really help straiten things out. ;-) ] 11:42, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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Let's leave the other stubs, but also add the {{Japan-stubs}}. It's probably not the "wiki-way" to have two stubs, but maybe it will attract a few people who are not primarily interested in Japanese topics to edit a few of the articles.
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I've voted on some of the issues related to name order, and drafted an article that could be useful, depending on how the voting comes out. Everyone's invited to view the draft at (article removed) and to comment on the Discussion page.
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re: "most encyclopedias": Give me an example. The Encyclopedia Britannica, which is usually considered the most authoritative encyclopedia in the English language, uses the SN-GN order exclusively for their titles, including people like
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find his entry with either George Bush or George W. Bush. Also, his title page is "George W. Bush". English articles should be titled FN LN, and a redirect used for those who might search for an article with LN FN convention.
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society of his evil). Japanese would rather forget about the war and that portion of history-- they have moved on. If any memories remain, they center on Japan's atrocities in China, and/or the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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Also, I checked my home library for books about Japan and again, they were split, one used SN GN, one GN SN. I stick to my original recommendation of using GN SN for articles. When in Rome, do as the Romans do...
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article have enough in it to remove the stub template (although it would be nice to add a picture of the 500 Yen Japanese currency that carries his portrait)? Another candidate for removing the stub template:
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also hasn't been converted due to the same reason - its table lists the prefectural fish). If you read this and still favor adding photographs, I think we might want to consider trying to convene a vote. --
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I prefer the latter; unity helps us greatly to collaborate each others IMO. But I don't want to make a dicision too rushly. If necessary, we will have a vote. Or we would wait to make a general concensus.
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for a future collaboration of the week. About 40 articles link to it, but it's only a few sentences long. I'm going to put suggestions on the article's discussion page. Everybody's welcome to participate!
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Yes, I agree we should merge them, but under which category? The easier choice (authors) or the way most of the other Knowledge categories are structured (writers), which will require much more editing?
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convention LN GN when you write your name in Japanese, because that is the convention for Japan and Japanese. (I do the same, BTW). I still base my position on the most clean, consistent solution:
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in all cases. The redirects can be put in place where needed. If anything, we can perhaps have a {{Asian Name Order}} that can be included on all these redirects that gives a short explanation.
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article and add in some of the important actors, playrights, plays, etc. that the article is missing. Then start attacking any related topics that are stubs or red-linked, such as
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has created some tools for looking at how verious categories are organized. When I asked for his help, he created a couple of pages to show the organization of everything under
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Phil, please note that material does not become "public domain", but rather that the owner of the copyright grants publication on Knowledge. Most material comes under the
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article, on various User and User Talk pages, in the Talk pages on a number of Japanese-related subjects, and even under the Request for Deletion on a particular article.
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titles were featured on the main page. Some else should probably also take a look at the list because it is l-o-n-g and I may have missed something (I almost missed the
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I moved some substubs into Japan-stubs' pool. And tried to add some edits. I think there are more substubs untagged. As for geographical stubs I will make a proposal. --
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has the top image inside the data box. This would solve the problem, but I looked at that code and it looks outdated. Can anybody suggest a better code or way to do it?
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where they refer to Yoshiro Mori. The article about Yoshiro Mori referred to Keizo Obuchi. Unfortunately, there don't appear to be set rules in all encyclopedias.
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I like this idea very much, but the real question is not whether we ought to do this but whether we are really willing to work! I certainly am. Anyone else? --
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block, the image and table will appear vertically stacked with the text on the left (which I suspect is the formatting you're after, for other suggestions see
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Just out of curiosity, I tried to go through the list of past feature articles, and find any existing Feature Articles that had some relation to Japan. The
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Thank you for your clarification. BTW if we translate materials out of wikipedia, it would be a copyright violation? Translation is a derivative work ... --
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I also checked other online Japanese publishers like Mainishi and Asashi Shimbum. They use the GN LN order when publishing in English. Enough said....
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Prefecture, so my activity will be centered on that prefecture. I've already written the Tourism article there (will be improved) and photos are coming.
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is also about names within the text so your redirect solution won't work there. Personally I think it would make sense to make all names (not just JP)
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he is popular but imo not a great artist. Perhaps he is worthy to have a stub but I can't expand it by myself ... I haven't heard
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article. Also, I didn't look though the archives to see if there were any Japan-related articles that didn't make it. (see also
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First, the formatting question. If you enclose both the image and the table generated by the template in a <div: -->
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article. The article needs some better organization and more info. It doesn't even mention the famous Kabuki dramatist
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for each one of them with a recommendation that the information first be merged into the appropriate larger category (
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who I just de-stubbed has a Kabuki connection. I knew about his novel writing and criticism through comments made by
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Should we merge these, or should we insert text to help authors of articles choose which one to place an article in?
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Okay-- I took a swipe at clening this up. Many of them are specific terms to Geisha or kimono (someone was busy...)
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Actually these stubs have been created, but the names were slightly different from what I was looking for. There is
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could be a good candidate for JCOTW? But now it would be better for us to change this collaboration from COTW to
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name be in Given Name-Surname order. I would like to see a few more votes for some common sense on this subpage.
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Sounds good and simple solution. Makes it clear as to what the problem is, and why this solution was chosen.--
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It's not an affair on en.wp, but on ja. i would like to listen to your cooment on town template. Please see
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become policy. Take a look at (article removed). I'm interested in hearing the reactions of Wikipedians.
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article to the template partly because the existing layout can't be preserved with the current template (
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have a bunch of subcategories, so it will be a real mess untangling them. For example, the both have
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article, and I bet you can outdo me (in quality, for sure!) in Shiga. BTW, there's a nice article on
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to help keep track of, and better organize, those Japanese articles that need work? See also:
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There is currently a reworked vote going on about Japanese name order for the Knowledge at
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to cover Noh, Kabuki, etc. Then all those List of Japanese authors can be hidden in a new
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the collaboration of this forenights(sorry I missed the right word ... meaning two weeks
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for the URL and title like you would find in most encyclopedias and name listings.
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doesn't have a picture. Your photos would be great for illustrating any of these.
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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Japanese wikipedians? How do you get on the list of Participants above? -Phil
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Hi. I found the characters of a Yu-Gi-Oh! character named "Murashibe" here
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I was just looking at this category and it is a real mess. For example:
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Hello Phil, Some of the major festivals don't have photos. For example,
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settled, it is probably fine to continue to follow the suggestion at
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Ahem. I can't speak for the others, but I'm not Euro-centric. Our
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We will put Japan-related stubs or nonexistent articles on
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Again I ask, what encyclopedias? I've already mentioned
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There are two categories that seem closely related,
1376:. I feel happy it doesn't seem to be a stub. As for 1335:in English that wasn't connected to the Knowledge. 1043:
Would we like to gather these separated stubs under
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671:. Encarta is inconsistent, however, since they have 1027:. I found a single Japanese related article under 947:In cases where the most common usage is in doubt, 886:Knowledge:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) 1649:http://www.janime.net/images/series1_11/02/45.jpg 1421:, but I didn't know about the rest of his story.) 1675:User talk:JesseW/Children of Category Japan list 1011:. There are also Japanese biographies listed at 18:Knowledge talk:Japan-related topics notice board 1231:I'm nominating Japanese authors for deletion. 1349:Cleanup: I added the cleanup template to the 8: 1462:http://www.ilec.or.jp/jp/store/yamagata.html 1413:. (BYW: It was interesting to find out that 1183:Category:Japanese dramatists and playwrights 318:It seems to me we are better to re-organize 83:Knowledge:Japanese Collaboration of the Week 1173:. Under that should be the subcategories 1662:More on various Japan-related Categories 721:always post in LN GN for Japanese names. 1019:. There are a few Japanese articles in 900:Draft of article on Japanese name order 775:Japanese_name#Japanese_names_in_English 1274:Category:Japanese people by occupation 1126:, etc.), plus a possible copy to the 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 1613:Knowledge:Featured article candidates 1477:if anybody feels like translating it. 880:for the Naming_order subpage, on the 691:. Encarta is very inconsistent since 7: 1533:Category:Knowledge featured articles 436:are Euro-centric, however, and it's 395:Japanese name order in the Knowledge 1361:Thank you for your comment. As for 1298:(which only has one person in it). 280:Yep, the div tag does the job. See 89:. The current COTW has been set as 1331:Also: I couldn't find anything on 1296:Category:Olympic swimmers of Japan 1292:Category:Japanese baseball players 1187:Category:Lists of Japanese authors 921:pages. Do I edit that draft page? 24: 1324:). One of the japan-stubs is for 976:. Would it be useful to create a 929: 857:I are having a poll right now :) 440:I am catering to (or trying to). 1689:There is discussion going on at 1455:As far as I can tell the author 1313:I was going through some of the 297:get a community consensus. -- 29: 1372:Thank yhou for your comment on 968:Japanese Stubs & Categories 1679:Image:Japan_category_graph.png 1639:). ] 10:39, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC) 1535:). ] 13:30, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC) 1284:Category:Japanese sportspeople 1261:Category:Japanese sportspeople 830:Time for a vote and a decision 346:and leave your comment on its 1: 1294:, but only the first one has 773:I have started a new section 1544:Japan general election, 2003 1315:Category:Japan-related stubs 1307:Category:Japan-related stubs 1045:Category:Japan-related stubs 997:Category:Japan-related stubs 746:English with GN LN standard. 218:I've got five photos in the 1643:Japanese name from an image 1179:Category:Japanese novelists 81:Without opposition, I made 1708: 1288:Category:Japanese athletes 1270:Category:Japanese athletes 1200:I am for to merge them. -- 1076:Category:Japanese language 785:19:24, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC) 770:18:52, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC) 261:Knowledge:Picture_tutorial 67:Collaboration of this week 1658:22:38, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC) 1495:03:07, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC) 1191:Category:Japanese authors 1171:Category:Japanese writers 1159:Category:Japanese writers 1153:Category:Japanese authors 1029:Category:Literature stubs 1005:Category:Historical_stubs 986:Knowledge:Stub categories 963:00:46, 28 July 2005 (UTC) 930:There's no ideal solution 909:10:59, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC) 865:02:56, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC) 839:02:31, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC) 714:11:46, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC) 538:11:06, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC) 495:06:40, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC) 334:22:17, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC) 310:23:37, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC) 288:20:28, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC) 253:15:01, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC) 143:16:00, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC) 131:07:05, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC) 108:17:20, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC) 77:17:28, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC) 1691:Template talk:Japan-stub 1511:19:39, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC) 1487:22:20, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC) 1446:07:52, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC) 1394:15:07, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC) 1278:Category:Japanese people 1265:Category:Japanese people 1252:Category:Japanese people 1236:08:30, 17 May 2005 (UTC) 1228:06:28, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC) 1220:03:24, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC) 1197:12:07, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC) 1181:. 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Knowledge talk:Japan-related topics notice board
archive
current talk page
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Template:Japan-stub
Aphaea
Knowledge:Japanese Collaboration of the Week
WP:AnCOTW
Setouchi, Okayama
WP:JCOTW
Aphaea
Taku
Aphaea
Han (Japan)
Fg2
Aphaea
Photojpn.org
GFDL
Davejenk1ns
Hyakumangoku Matsuri
Jidai Matsuri
Matsuri
Fg2
Ice sculpture
Fg2
Photojpn.org
Okinawa Prefecture
Lake Biwa
Hikone Castle
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