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600:'s account were compromised and actually used for anything, Bryan would notice. Anonymous accounts where the user has never made their real identity public, and where the user is no longer familiar to Wikipedians, pose the greatest risk because even if suspicions were aroused there would be no way to determine whether the account was in control of its original owner or not. Finally, I note that Knowledge itself, its adminship standards, and its public profile have changed dramatically in the last couple of years, and some of the people who have had extended absences may no longer make suitable admins for these reasons. 133:
something like a 85-90% consensus and a trial run. I don't really believe blackmail will be an issue, because users who use that as blackmail will lose all credibility, and the user getting blackmailed will easily overturn the nomination for de-adminship, earning himself some pseudo-martyr points with the community. I think we should try this proposal out with a high consensus percentage. Let's all remember that Jimbo Wales' opinion on the matter is just that...it's not divine word. He's a computer programmer, not a social psychologist...unless he is one of those, then I'm just an idiot.
943:. That you do not like this may be true, but that it cannot happen is not. That it may never happen may also be true, but that does not preclude the possibility that it could. This is not policy creep, I would argue instead that it is policy creep to remove it, since there is no policy which dictates we cannot do this if there is a consensus to do it. It's not clear that "the dispute resolution system ending with the arbcom is the mechanism for such requests", since we have a category of admins open to recall, and we also have Jimbo desysopping and we also have RFC's on admins. 1448:(Full disclosure -- I'm an admin). I don't see a cause for concern that an editor who is ticked that I deleted his page extolling the virtues of pooooooop will get 10 meat puppets and start a de-admin request just to harass me. (Well, they can try, but I'd be surprised if they got far.) The process looks like it could deal with the worst cases. And it looks like it could get some community support. (The best proposal in the world isn't worth much if it never gets implemented. *grin*) It seems like a good first step, and hopefully we'll be prepared to go further if needed.-- 1176:...we could certainly have a five year term no problems, and a four year term would hold no problems either. A three year term would be manageable, we'd have a hurried start, but it's doable. We could deadmin the first day of the month following the month an admin was created. It looks workable, and it might be needed to make RFA workable again. We have to return to the fact that adminship is no big deal. It should be within any editor's grasp but the very worst, those that an argument against is mounted on behavioural issues rather than any given random criteria. 1340:}} tag from this page. Although the concept of a "requests for de-adminship" page is historical, the sections on desysopping cases are still being updated. The last one was in July, but I can't think of any cases since then. In that sense, it's still being watched and edited, and is thus not historical. More than a year ago I brought up the idea of moving this page to "Knowledge:De-adminship", but nothing came of it. Maybe we should give that a try, to mitigate any confusion about its "historical" status. 148: 930:. It's merely your POV that only arb-com can do it. It's quite clear that there is no consensus for a de-admin procedure, but it's not correct to say that the community can't de-admin someone. If an admin went rogue and protected every single page and deleted all images and made the main page a gallery of porn, I'd think we'd pretty quickly bypass arb-com and head straight for the nearest steward. 2015:
sufferers. Additional administration (eventuel censorship) as a serious problem for Wiki User's. What to do with the administration Knowledge.org (eg) illegal migrants from Africa and mogametanischen Narco Band's? They have set up its own Internet Survilance (incl. Survilance Knowledge.org). That's not the problem in the States without a political crisis or held in the framework of Islam.
153: 1766:. It's conservative enough that abusive requests for de-adminship seem very unlikely to succeed. The biggest worry is in cases like the recent (alleged) mailing list used to coordinate Eastern European editors. But then, the risk is no greater than having such coordinated groups vote in their own "pocket" admins... 2257:
the last proposal failed. Even if you are minded to ignore arguments by admins, there were plenty of non admins who pointed out flaws in the proposal. Simply dismissing the consensus view as ridiculous might leave some people thinking that you aren't engaging with those arguments, let alone rebutting them.
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Just a question out of principle, should there be a wording regarding the timeframe? An admin who makes the same controversial actions in a short timespan is probably a pattern. One who does it four time over 5 years, not so much. Not angling for a formal codification on this but a "use common sense"
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Looks good to me. It contains some strong safeguards against harassment via abusive RfDAs, and the high percentage required to desysop will make it an efficient system for removing genuinely abusive admins that have lost all community trust - while leaving an ArbCom case still the correct venue for a
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I just came across the summary on this page of my desysopping incident, which was seriously slanted and partially false. This is a pretty high-visibility page, so who knows how many people were influenced in their perceptions of me by that summary? I propose that in the future desysopped users should
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You have made a leap of logic here which caused me to go "Huh?" at first. If I understand your argument correctly, the reason that fixed terms would "make RFA workable again" is that RFA voters could be less stringent knowing that, in the worst case, the admin in question would be up for re-election
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Also, would it be prudent to direct the admin against use of admin tools whilst they have a claim open (ie once it's past the point of certification) -- or atleast the tools in relation to where the alleged abuse took place, e.g. deletion, etc? Again, these are just my thoughts on the wording as is.
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The proposal mentions the lack of a "robust desysopping process". The implication seems to be that there are admins out there who should not have the bit, but are not being desysopped under the current arbitration process. Do the proposers have anyone in mind that they would submit to this process?
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These are kinda abstruse points. I think some understand the various levels of subtlety involved; some confuse a few things. When I put in the line about stewards, I simply wanted the section to reflect the actual truth of the technical power structure around here. This information is probably of no
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I think if any kind of unathorized activities started to take place, it would be pretty easily recognized and could be dealt with. If a long inactive user suddenly reappears and begins doing odd things, we can de-sysop in such circumstances quite easily, I'd imagine. There's no particular need for
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I listed her in a different section because she was banned, not de-sysoped. Since there are many other users who have been banned for one reason or another, it isn't entirely clear that she belongs here at all. However, since one could argue that banning a sysop implies de-sysoping them as well, I
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process :) which, while more bulletproof, is less suitable as a general process) as a start point, so that's goodness. I remain unkeen on mandatory recall processes in general, but this is better than most processes that come down the pike, it's probably even one that, while not supporting, I would
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I've done my part, I've sourced my info and I've read the rules and I've engaged in discussion on this issue all over Knowledge and on the mailing list. It has been made clear to me that it has always been the case that this method is open to the community if they want to use it. That we don't is
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It may be true that there is a dispute resolution system ending with the arbcom, who have the power to desysop, but it has also been made clear that the community has the power too but chooses not to exercise it. At no point have I seen the community dictate it will never desysop through the above
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I am very sensitive to policy creep in this area. While the stewards have acted upon requests from other projects, the English Knowledge has never in the history of the project permitted this by policy let alone actually conducted such a process successfully. In all the cases of which I am aware,
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The vote wasn't limited to admins, not that there are as many admins around these days. If you want to restart the debate and try to get a different result you could open a new RFC on it. But I'd suggest reading the arguments and trying to modify the proposal to accommodate some of the reasons why
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I think that Chillum makes a good point about sticking to policy. I'd also like to see the provision somewhere that a person being put up for de-admin. could have the right to reject who closes - kind of like they have alternates for jury duty. (I'm hesitant to phrase it quite that way .. I think
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I would far prefer if desysoping was handled through consideration of evidence as applied to policy(like we already do) rather than a big vote. Admins need to make unpopular decisions sometimes and unless evidence shows they have violated policy or community norms then I don't think they should be
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If an administrator carries out a willfully coarse act, they probably will lose their admin's-cap through sanction of the arbitration committee, when it meets. Before that point, distrusting community members can petition for an admin's removal. In both cases, the process risks to create prolonged
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And I want to make it clear I too can't square the circle of how to make de-admin requests civil, but I'd point out that not making the effort because of that fact implies a lack of good faith. I include myself amongst those who start from a position of no faith. But just because we can't see it
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To request the another user's de-adminship, please gain consensus on your own wiki first. All discussion must be kept on your local wiki. When it is finished and there exists community consensus that the user should be de-adminned, a trusted person from that wiki should just provide a link here to
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From a political point of view, this is a perfectly sensible statement. Yelling at Stewards when you want somebody deadminned is just plain stupid; they're not going to listen. Nor do we really want to provoke people into thinking this is a route, so I had reservations about making the edit in the
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While administering many other Wiki sites, some sites desysop admins for long (such as one year) inactivity. Security concerns have been raised should abandoned admin accounts get broken in by unauthorized users to misuse and abuse admins' privileges. Why not bother with those who are inactive for
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Interests conflicts between wiki Admionistratoren, Conditions Knowledge.org and the various administrations, state services as elite power. This find Wiki Admin's and Knowledge administration as insufficient. Neither political nor religious angagiert for one or other State / authority or a polio
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I'm unclear of what happens once the case is certified and opened. Do we do it RFC or RFA style? I'd hope the latter, as I think once a case is filed and certified we either support removal, oppose removal, or are neutral. Obviously diffs and a brief description by the people bringing the claim,
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It would be a very unusual single admin action that would lead to deadmin, and actions of such wrongness are well handled by arb com. I think it impossible for an active admin to make no mistakes. I've done over eight thousand speedy deletions, and I think I'm exceedingly cautious, but I know of
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I agree that inactive admin accounts pose a problem and have suggested systematically removing them in the past. There has been widespread opposition. Inactive accounts pose a unique security problem because if compromosed, their rightful owner is unlikely to notice. On the other hand, if for
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In my opinion, what should be done is maybe make a ridiculous time limit of inactivity (2 years would be what I'd do, maybe 3), and if they have made 0 edits in that time, we remove the adminship, but leave a notice that if they want to be reinstated they can be without having to go through the
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I invite commentary from the community as to whether we should adopt this proposal. Obviously I think we should. The general feeling from those who have commented on the talkpage in my userspace is support, with a couple of exceptions. The proposal as it stands is, I think, eminently workable,
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they have term limits for admins; each admin serves for about a year. The "about" part comes because they create new admins continuously but only remove them from office quarterly -- so as to put a neat package before the stewards. I think this is really smart. The driving philosophy is plain
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I think that it is important to be clear that the dispute resolution system ending with the arbcom is the mechanism for such requests. The arbcom has demonstrated that it is willing to act on such requests, and has a history of doing so effectively. Accordingly, there is no need to create a
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This is an interesting idea at face value, but I think there would need to be a massive consensus to get rid of a user...and only admins can vote. If that is the case, then 99% of the voters are respected members of the community who can be trusted to read into the issue at hand. I reccomend
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conflicts and (spä) on top of what already exists. That already ordained administrators must be appointed again gives instead the community the chance of a more natural way to sort out administrators who don't correctly have confidence in wikicommunity, and that thereby cause excitements.
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The proposal looks good. I had a couple of questions: 1) Scope. Should !voters be considering all of the admin's conduct, or only conduct related to the incident(s) described in the nomination? 2) The list of admin powers at "Grounds for initiating an RFDA" includes minor things like
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about two dozen mistakes. Assuming an equal number I don't know about, that's ½ of 1%. I;'ve only done about 100 blocks, but I know 2 or 3 of them were incorrect. Some admins may be better, but none of them are perfect. We need some specific statement about pattern of behavior.
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The initial wording, and other instances in the document, need dating: "Throughout the history of the project" means different things when read in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2020, etc. Readers shouldn't be expected to go to the page history to find out when something was written.
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I guess the question is whether someone who is an admin would be willing to sell, and someone else would be willing to buy, the ability to access an account with the admin bit set. Presumably this business opportunity (such as it is) is open to active admins too... --
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A new de-adminship scheme seems to come along about once every three months. These proposals are regularly rejected. As an aid to anyone who would like to draft the next proposal, I've prepared a list of questions that all new proposals ought to be ready to answer:
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At the very least, you'd see admins with agendas behaving more properly and circumspectly in the period leading up to the expiration of their term of adminship. At the worst, it would degenerate into people campaigning against those who were coming up for renewal.
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methods with the admin. Also there should be a time frame for when to raise a grievance (possibly one month from the alleged abuse, unless of course during that month they've been actively in some type of dispute resolution with the admin that ultimately failed).
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I limited myself to this little technical note because I don't see how to make RfDA a civil process. I don't mind rotten tomatoes thrown at admins, even in bad faith; our trusted servants must be above such; they must fail to react in bad ways to bad comments. I
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community has found fault with the idea. Other WM communities have adopted it and find it works well. There is considerable pressure on the entire adminship process right now; that's why we're here. Maybe our community is ready to take a fresh look at term
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If someone has hacked into an inactive admin account and starts using it to do dubious things, the problem will become apparent very quickly. If they return and are not doing dubious things, we should assume good faith. I don't see what the big deal is.
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mind the inevitable cross-bickering and personal attacks that go back and forth from supporters and opponents on RfA and I don't see that it will be any better on RfDA. I won't feel comfortable supporting any RfDA process until this concern is met.
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Looks fine to me too (admin disclaimer per Fabrictramp). I'm not personally convinced its necessary, but the proposal's perennial nature suggests plenty of other people think it is. And as formal desysop processes go this seems a reasonable one.
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As for my thoughts on the current structure of the procedure, first I believe that the wording needs to be clearer that the user(s) making the complaint should have first attempted legitimate discussion or other recognised
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It seems a little hard to believe that in the past 12 months, only 1 Admin has lost their Admin rights. Is this list up-to-date? Because I've certainly come across several disputes in process about misuse of Admin tools.
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This seems like a sane and rational approach. The Swedes have ArbCom and it works but not always; they may have some sort of RfDA and it causes additional contention; they have term limits and seem pretty happy about it.
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a preventative policy - no sysop action is so potentially damaging as to require protecting against it in advance - another admin can always protect/unprotect, block/unblock, or delete/undelete as the situation requires.
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there is already too much "legal role-playing" going on at WP, but for lack of a better term I added it.) While I agree that RFA is often a popularity contest - it shouldn't be. As such, this should not evolve into an
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Just read this over, and I think generally the goal is a good idea. The article itself needs some tidying, and I think the first paragraph is a little odd in that it tells me that I likely agree that RFA is broken.
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action (and there's no procedure to request the latter.) Suggesting broad dispute-resolution is misleading because it gives readers the impression that they could get it done via earlier steps in the process, eg.
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After tolling up the votes in the revision proposals, it emerged that 5.4 had the most support, but elements of that support remained unclear, and various comments throughout the polls needed consideration.
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the stewards have de-sysopped people in response to a community request only from projects where there either is (a) no arbcomm or (b) a policy that adminship must be renewed on a periodic basis.
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our choice, not something dictated to us. The stewards, by the rules under which they operate, can not refuse a request provided a consensus exists and it is linked to alongside the request.
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on the page, for the benefit of editors who don't know as much as you and I do. You have rejected all of these statements. I don't believe we are going to think up anything you like better.
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to demands for deadminship made by whoever they think is responsible enough to bring up the matter. I simply don't know; you'd have to be a polyglot to really understand what's going on
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I guess I just don't see what the point of bothering with this is. If you all want to come up with some policy, far be it from me to interfere, but it seems entirely unnecessary to me.
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in a year. The very worst admins would get hauled up in front of ArbCom and the bad but not quite ArbCom-quality admins would get booted at the end of the year. Did I get this right?
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The question is whether the problem is that RFA's are too slow (which John Reid's proposal addresses) or whether RFA's are too stringent (which fixed terms attempts to address) --
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Feel free to email me if you don't want to discuss this openly, but I'd be interested to see the what the developers of this proposal have in mind when it comes to brass tacks.
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think ArbCom is enough. The text you removed isn't "policy creep"; it's a statement of fact. You're factually inaccurate in your statement; ArbCom is only able to de-op
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at least not be massively unhappy to see implemented. (for those keeping score at home, that's about the highest praise it's possible to get from me on this topic) ++
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Jimbo Wales has stated that the presence of any process to remove adminship would result in a reduced motivation for all parties to work together to seek consensus.
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One way to speed up RfA is to go over to a straight vote, no comment allowed on the voting page. You want to discuss somebody's adminworthiness, you do so on his
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If I got your line of reasoning right, my counter-argument is that a recall mechanism would keep us from having to put up with a bad decision for a whole year. --
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is only the biggest. Most smaller projects lack our elaborate bureaucracy; some don't even have b'crats to promote admins and go to stewards for this. Note that
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The thing is, this is eventually the only way it ever gets done. Some individual editor makes a request of a steward and the admin loses his hat. That's
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At first blush, it would seem stewards might respect a RfDA, just so long as it looked reasonable. I really have no idea; we'll have to try it and see.
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included her -- mainly in the interest of thoroughness, since my purpose in having a list here is to demonstrate how rare "de-sysopping" actually is.
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has a number of project-specific subpages; most redirect to some sort of RfA. I imagine that for smaller projects lacking ArbComs, stewards actually
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Wouldn't the requirement that two admins certify the request (after other methods of dispute resolution fail) take care of the occasional goof? --
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happening, doesn't mean it is impossible. I doubt anyone will ever get desysopped through a community process, but that doesn't mean they can't.
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ascertain whether there is support for a 'two-phase' poll at the eventual RfC (not far off now), where CDA will finally be put to the community.
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Concur with Iridescent. This isn't a page to request someone be de-adminned. As Iridescent noted, there's methods for doing that, most notably
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Did we ever think of having longer terms. That would cut out the time consuming aspect, surely? What, if we made a term, um, let's check
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I thought he was sysop. Hmmm. I know that user rights log isn't kept for very long though, but this is odd. I guess my memory is bad.
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I've replaced that line, which was still uncited after over a year, with a sourced quote from a recent mailing-list post by Jimbo.
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de-adminship process page. Therefore, I propose moving it to "Knowledge:De-adminship" or something to that effect. Any thoughts?
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I object to the no-comment link to "perennial proposals"; a quick way to dispose of something without thinking about it. Making
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contains discussion surrounding a de-adminning process suggested in March 2005, which failed to gain support and now resides at
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Bingo. One action that someone whines about? Not likely to result in a successful request. That action, repeated? Likely to. →
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along with a statement by the admin in defence should be allowed, but that should all be done during the certification stage.
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No, it doesn't work like that; you can't just declare that you want someone to give up the admin bit. I've removed your
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exactly equal to 3 is a perennial proposal; it's never going to fly. Term limits have been discussed before and the
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The title should change. I was expecting it to be an attempt at an actual process like the requests for adminship.
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difficult to game, and is most importantly community-driven in a way that the current desysop options are not. →
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be notified of and consulted about their summaries to ensure that the wording is agreed upon by all parties.
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I think the title of this page might be confusing for new readers. They come across the title and expect an
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By starting with MBisanz's recall process you've probably taken the second most bulletproof process in
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the discussion and a very brief explanation of the reason for de-adminship and results of discussion.
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Well, UC, you're just objecting to the entire effort being made on this page. We're here because we
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requests to revoke another user's adminship may also be made using the dispute resolution process
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here (transclusion so that edits only need to be made once, and to avoid cross-namespace redir.)
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gather opinion on the 'consensus margin' (what percentages, if any, have the most support) and
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Nominally, it is possible for the Knowledge community to decide The community may request the
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I'd support the version as currently worded. Seems like it covers most serious concerns.
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Looks like a very good system to me. I hope it can get some kind of community approval.
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shortcut that comes here. Now I've snorted tea all over my keyboard. Thanks a lot. ;-)--
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Different Wiki sites have different rules. For example, inactive admins desysoped from
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That vote was ridiculous. It's like asking chickens whether they're OK with a KFC.
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The English Knowledge doesn't permit, preclude or prohibit anything by policy, see
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has too many inactive admins. Do we have any policies to end their adminships?--
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template to prevent anyone else wasting their time reading this. If you have a
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From our local, political point of view, the most interesting section here is
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to revoke another user's adminship. The community should make the request at
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show only uploads and moves. So if he was a sysop, he never used his buttons.
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reason for suggesting misconduct—and "they did something I didn't like" does
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Nothing stopping desysopped users who aren't banned from editing the entry.
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I removed this from the section on "how to request someone's de-adminship:"
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Will he be going up here? He is forever banned but retains his adminship.
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process remains the first step for dealing with abuse of admin powers; see
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I don't read Swedish so I took a look with the help of the good folks at
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any individual, acting alone, to ask a steward to deadmin anybody. And I
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I think this is very conservative but I think that's a good thing here.
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Now, Hiding and I have tried a number of different ways to include this
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a steward.) Stewards hold sway over all Wikimedia projects, of which
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Doesn't matter how you word it; somebody's not going to like it. See
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Well it doesn't have all sysops. For example why is this blank?
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I object to this removal, since this is how stewards act as per
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now. We do understand what you're trying to say; you don't
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doesn't exist either, but you can find my admin nomination
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Perhaps we should update that section. It currently says
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idea that's been floated before. Maybe it's time now.
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