Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Football

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first edition of the new global tournament” and it means exactly the first edition of the new global tournament lol! I'm just starting out as a Knowledge (XXG) editor, and I'm still thinking about whether or not to create an account to become a hardcore editor, and I'm shocked by the (low) quality of the comments posted here by this Island guy. And no, I'm not trying to cause trouble because I've only just arrived. But this has to be exposed and we can't have these childish comments like this, trying to make bizarre interpretations against what is written in the sources provided by other users. It is terrible to have such childish comments influenting an important discussion. My opinion we should adopt FIFA’s definition on this tournament, being 2025 FIFA Club World CUP TM the 1st edition! Signed

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of these points to a definitive first year of a brand new tournament. The facts are that FIFA has gone back and forth about how they refer to it which has been the problem all year. People wanted to change it and then FIFA deleted all reference to it being the first of a totally new tournament and started to refer to it as a new format. Now it seems they are starting to revert back to it being a new tournament. Based on all this, I would agree with Matilda that no changes should be made until official docs are published.

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somewhere for editors to review and convert manually. I, for one, have no desire to take on any part of either task. My goal is to point out that at least one article is out of compliance with the remainder and it's up to this project to either get into line (which they and other sport projects seem reluctant to do) or to get the article mentioned above to follow the remainder.

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References for each season is standard. I don't see how it is relevant that he plays in the Indian Super League, particularly when he has previously played in the Scottish Premiership, Scottish Championship, EFL Championship, League One and the A-League? Are you suggesting we remove references when a

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catch me. “1st ever FIFA Club World Cup 2025 doesn't mean anything that it will be new from scratch” he said! I read that and it means exactly that it will be new from scratch! Now, about the German club you said “it means just because more teams will be involved in this edition”. No man, I read “the

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was therefore the last played under the previous format. However, confederations expressed to FIFA the need for the champions of their top club competitions to still play each other annually to "stimulate competitiveness". Therefore, on 14 March 2023, the FIFA Council approved a concept for an annual

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pretty poor form to go and make the changes to the article anyway, despite their being no consensus reached at this site, on the basis that the arguments presented here are not valid and that you must follow Knowledge (XXG) guidelines regardless. Consensus now needs to be established here first; also

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Hey all - do people have a strong opinion on whether to include or not include domestic league runners-up positions in players' honours sections? I thought there was a consensus to NOT include runners-up for a league but could be wrong as I do not see much in the archives here. This has come up in a

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or something. A lot of these articles are pretty clearly repeating FIFA's marketing spin, and even then they are not keeping it straight. You posting multiple paragraphs saying the same thing over and over again is not advancing the discussion at all. Genuinely it may just be a matter of time before

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and describing the tournament's expansion. The AP article you shared does the exact same thing. It is abundantly clear that FIFA is trying to shift the usage of the name "FIFA Club World Cup" to this new format while seemingly ignoring the last 20+ years or shifting the history of the old tournament

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You used as argument that "It cannot be a new tournament. The name FIFA Club World Cup is still there." I said that argument is very weak and wrong since Intercontinental Cup (1960-2004) is not the same tournament as the new Intercontinental Cup created, although they both have Intercontinental Cup

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Now, if you really want to do a futurology exercise (where we use the trend) what we can conclude based on the information we have is that the trend is (since this movement has been going on since June and we are getting closer and closer to the tournament) to continue considering it as an inaugural

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Yes, for AP News source you read you can go and argue that, but you cannot reach a conclusion based solely on that source, since I have included several sources (I suggest read all them to reach a better conclusion) that prove that non-primary sources adapted themselves with the way FIFA is treating

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After reading your reply I clicked on the first source my eyes went back to. It happened to be the AP News link. It states "inaugural 32-team Club World Cup". This doesn't state it is new, it states it is the first 32-team version. Later it states "A relaunched and lucrative Club World Cup". Neither

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to make any definitive changes. If it is changed, there will be some other contradictory media release, and this issue will flip-flop for months. It is better to leave things as they are for now and wait for the official tournament documentation next year (probably available by about the time of the

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For the men's Olympic tournaments, they are under-23 events (since 1950s), and so should be listed on the under-23s/Olympic football team's articles, not the senior team article. Apart from the winners 1908-1948 which were the senior teams. For women's Olympic tournaments, I believe they are senior

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Not now, despite those sources. The closer we are to the tournament, the better. The same claimed by other users as well. Is that difficult to just wait? Despite those sources all claiming this phantomatic new edition, things work slightly different here on Knowledge (XXG). For the time being, the

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Also, the 2nd source you posted (the one from FIFA) just endorses my argument, where it says "The inaugural edition will be played later this year" about the FIFA Intercontinental Cup. So, how can you argue that FIFA Intercontinental Cup will be a new competition but 2025 FIFA Club World Cup (that

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There was a change of format, but the competition is the same, returning to the failed idea of 2000/2001, as a tournament with a group stage. The new competition is the FIFA Intercontinental Cup, which inherits the previous format. I understand the confusion of those who are not so familiar with

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So, in my opinion, all the requirements are met to make this change (I know it will take some work, involving the creation of new articles, adaptation of others, but we cannot leave an article as important as this one against the facts that are imposed on us, going against the highest authority in

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The tournament seems to have been neglected by FIFA, as they have not yet published any official update about the tournament. I was initially skeptical, but I don't think multiple clubs would publish an "unannounced" schedule. I believe FIFA has communicated with the participating clubs as to the

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A change should not be made, at least now. Firstly, I see no consensus, secondly, there is still a long time ahead before the tournament being held, hence just waiting does not cost anything. The closer we are to the tournament, the better. It cannot be considered new. It's only new because a new

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SinisterUnion you need simply to wait. There were other two users in the past convinced about the same thing, insisting on editing the article because it needed to be like that. See history page. As a result, they were blocked from editing. You appear to back up the same evidence because of those

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Sorry, but reading your comment looks like you didn't read all replies, since you just posted one source from 9 months ago. I suggest you to read everything to understand what is happening and become more familiar with the changes on FIFA's treatment on this tournament (also important non-primary

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What we can do is a behavioral analysis, based on actions already taken and since June at least, FIFA has been emphasizing on treating this tournament as the inaugural edition where there will be the inaugural champion of this new tournament. This has become stronger and more emphasized in recent

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You posted the exact same article twice and it refers to it as both inaugural and in reference to changes for an existing format. I would not describe that as clear cut at all. And can we PLEASE decide where this conversation is going to take place? It is extremely unhelpful to have conversations

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honours. I disagree and don't think they should be included. For instance, I don't believe that the players in the Arsenal squad of 2023-24 should have league runners-up included in their honours section or that VfB Stuttgart players should have the same in the Bundesliga. Any thoughts? Thinks.

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Also, an erratum to my last comment. While talking to a friend who is a Borussia Dortmund fan, he corrected me when I said that at least since June FIFA has only been treating it as the inaugural edition of its tournament. No. This has been going on since at least March when Borussia Dortmund's

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FIFA's website was pretty clear it was a new competition last year...then they deleted all mention of it and it looked to be a continuation. Now it seems they are leaning in to it being a new tournament again...but they have flipped flopped more than once. So, just because it is currently being

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So, now, I don't see any other way, other than adapting ourselves to the new reality. As I said before, I know it's going to take some work, but that's why we editors are here. We can't leave an article as important as this one outdated, wrong and and in disagreement with both FIFA and a lot of

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a month ago. Reliable, non-primary sources are broadly considering this a continuation of the existing tournament under a new format i.e. 2025 is the 21st edition, 2029 is the 22nd edition, rather than a completely new competition. FIFA just shot themselves in the foot with regards to branding.

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Nobody is "confusing" the change in format of the competition, it is FIFA (international governing body of association football) saying this is a new tournament and also a lot of important secondary coverage examples, from important media, to prove the fact is truly "noteworthy". So, following

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There is very little technical limitation. If consensus were that the template's documentation erred and all bare links had to be converted to references, a bot could be commissioned to work through the links. If the link is not dead, it could be converted. If it is dead, a list could be kept

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Whether FIFA shot themselves in the foot or not is another story, but FIFA is treating this tournament as the inaugural one on its official website, what has more value than non-primary sources. Nevertheless, we already have the aforementioned non-primary sources adapting themselves to FIFA's

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It is a local consensus ad the template has created its own process that you are ignoring. The template provides the reference without naming it. It is present. So please get your prefered application approved at the template before you try to apply it universally. You have not applied it to

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Rather than judging me on those childish comments or not, I think I've got more experience here on Knowledge (XXG) than you. Just look at my contributions. Apparently, you "have only just arrived" which means you need to get used to how it works here. Take it as a suggestion, not a critic.

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On FIFA's website: "The inaugural edition of the FIFA Club World Cup will signal the start of a new era in club football history with a brand-new trophy becoming synonymous with the diversity and quality of the global game as club football brings the world together in the United States."

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So, we already have (at least) 3 months of consolidation here, in my opinion more than enough to make a change. But I hope to hear more people's opinions and I fully respect them, whether they are in favor or against mine, this being my last comment in this discussion. Have a good one.

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First of all, as I said, I've been analyzing the latest posts and FIFA's website over the last few days, so there's a change from a month ago. There's now an emphasis on treating it as the inaugural tournament and the inaugural champion, so I think we have to adapt ourselves to the new

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billed that way, doesn't negate all of the past. You have way more editors currently against the change and all you are doing is trying to force your opinion on everyone else. This is why we get consensus. You don't have it...if anything there is consensus against making the change.

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From the same source "launch the expanded version of the tournament". These are some of the issues we are talking about. How can you have an expanded tournament that is brand new? You either have a brand new tournament that has 32 teams or you have a revamped, expanded tournament.

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Once again, this is in line with what FIFA has been preaching, as I said before, at least since March. So, I can't agree more that it's bizarre not to make a change after almost 6 months of stabilization in the way FIFA treats this tournament, namely, as being the 1st edition.

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In my opinion, as FIFA already unified Intercontinental Cup (1960-2004) and FIFA Club World Cup (2000-2023) titles as world champions, also we already correctly treat as a continuation ("It ran from 1960 to 2004, when it was succeeded by the FIFA Club World Championship" - at

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An expanded version of the tournament does not mean an "expanded tournament" like you said, it means a different version, expanded one, comparing to the old tournament (otherwise he would say expanded tournament too). That's why in the same article the same author says:

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You say "It cannot be a new tournament. The name FIFA Club World Cup is still there." Well, you say that Intercontinental Cup is a new tournament, but it has the same name as the competition held from 1960 to 2004, so they would be the same tournament based on your

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There is clearly no consensus to - indeed there is a consensus against - making this change yet. The tournament is not until next year and given FIFAs persistent uncertainty there is every chance that they will again reverse their opinion on the article. See also

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Maybe we can add the AfD table to the top of this talk page. I never really check the main page, but I do check this one. Probably the case for others as well. Technically, AfD discussions are a "Talk page topic" as well. Could lead to more traffic/participation

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Sorry, but Knowledge (XXG) policy is the consensus of the community at large and supersedes what any template may or may not say. If the template documentation says something contrary to Knowledge (XXG) policy then the problem is with the template documentation.

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If you want I can send all the examples later, but as you can see, in addition to all the other arguments already presented here and that FIFA is considering it as the inaugural edition (which I noticed was more emphasized in the most recent posts, for example:

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Furthermore, it is also against important and renowned non-primary sources that already adapted themselves to FIFA's decision to call it the new FIFA Club World Cup and 2025 as its inaugural edition, as everyone can see at the links I provided in my last reply.

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Why include olympic titles won by the olympic teams in the honors of the senior national teams? FIFA counts the olympic titles for senior national teams from 1908 to 1948, the rest of medals are honors for the olympic teams (amateur team and now under-23 team)

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Not only can it be a new tournament, but it will be. You just giving your opinion that doesn't change anything in the world. FIFA says so, as do several extremely relevant secondary sources, such as ESPN, for example, and these are the only relevant thing

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The name still there and will always be, unless they change it in the future and it doesn't matter at all. This would be the same thing saying Intercontinental Cup (1960-2004) is the same tournament as the new Intercontinental Cup (2024-), what is wrong

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So this just shows how weak and wrong are your arguments, desperately trying to find some final argument, a needle in a haystack, that still fits into a narrative to defend that it is the same tournament, which is, nowadays, defend the indefensible.

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Contextualizing, in the article the author is talking about the tournaments that have already defined the clubs that were world champions (Intercontinental Cup, FIFA Club World Cup/Championship (2000-23) and now the inaugural FIFA Club World Cup in

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I read everything, the issue is that some people and media outlets are confusing the change in format of the competition as being a new tournament. It already happened from 2000/2001 to 2005, and now it returns to its original groups format.

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the fact that this happened before in March 2024, and May 2024 (and documented at the article talk page) and now the "analysis" of the latest posts and FIFA's website over the last few days have changed from a month ago, suggested that it is

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Now, if we research we do find news from last year that this tournament was already being considered the inaugural one. But, what I really want to highlight here is that at least since June, FIFA has only been saying this tournament is

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Or you? I obviously do not see a problem with the way the template is currently used. It is in alignment with the spirit of the way articles are to be referenced without proliferating physical references that are used only once in an

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You don't have consensus at all against making the change, you are giving an example from last year, you are against FIFA and a lot of important non-primary sources. It just looks lazy not wanting to adapt to the new reality.

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So, we have FIFA and all important non-primary sources saying the same thing, but we don't have consensus here. The valid arguments against this are that we should wait longer to see if FIFA will keep it that way.

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It was actually the same article, sorry I pasted it wrong there. But the fact is that I only did a quick search and quickly found about 10 articles referring to a new tournament and 2025 being its inaugural

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who now has 15 extra citations and nearly 900 characters extra on his page which I believe is overkill especially for a player who plays in the Indian Super League do you guys have an opinion on this?

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But, at least in my opinion (that's why I'm bringing it up for discussion), now FIFA already decided that 2025 will be the 1st edition of a new FIFA Club World Cup since they are now treating it as "

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I'm sure other people would see the same problem, but does anyone have some clue as to why there is something which shouldn't be there between the flag and the player's surname - example squad from

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I'm terribly sorry. You have edited other articles to use this method as well. What percentage of the template's use does this result in? Please, stop being disingenuous and admit what's happening.

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Just to note, the tournament became an under-23 event in 1992. Only amateurs were allowed from 1908 to 1980, while for 1984 and 1988 professionals that did not appear in a World Cup were allowed (

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lists Alfredo Morelos's runners-up "achievements" in his honours list. So whilst I personally wouldn't include it, it is hard to justify removing properly sourced additions to an honours list.

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is a brand new tournament. 2025 FIFA Club World Cup will be a new expanded tournament which 32 teams from across the globe will compete at. For the time being we should not add nothing to it.

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Please stop posting the exact same sources over and over again. The ESPN source simultaneously calls the tournament "inaugural" while also talking about its history being developed from the

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club competition beginning in 2024, later named as the FIFA Intercontinental Cup. It will feature the champions of the top club competitions of the six confederations of FIFA, namely the

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part of the citation or reference is the list of full references, which provides complete, formatted detail about the source, so that anyone reading the article can find it and verify it

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and superficial comments. It's not that I disagree, but this is a complex dispute that can't be reduced to simple sophisms. It also doesn't help that there aren't many English sources.

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And this is not a move FIFA's doing from 10 days ago only, they are treating the tournament like that since at least begin of June, as I was able to verify here through quick research.

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Let's focus on the discussion, by the way, another piece of news published by FIFA on its social media yesterday. They published it on Instagram stories and also on Facebook.

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I will bring here the discussion, since I posted at the article talk page a few days ago, but nobody else gave an opinion. I will just copy and paste what I wrote there:

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Stop inventing. The previous tournament ran from 1960 to 2004 was called just Intercontinental Cup, NOT FIFA Intercontinental Cup. It was endorsed by UEFA and CONBEMOL.

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article) and now we have the new FIFA Intercontinental Cup, with almost the same format, I think the best thing to do is treat the last as a continuation, since all are

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I think it is completely wrong and lazy don't adapt ourselves (Knowledge (XXG)) to reality, waiting that FIFA could change how they treat this tournament in the future.

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Unfortunately, whatever the consensus is, the work to "correct" the articles is long past being feasible. I don't believe runners-up in any league is honours-worthy.

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I also suggest to watch an official video from about 10 days ago, which is very enlightening on how they are treating the tournament, on FIFA's Instagram saying "...

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There's an IP address that continues to add a whole mess of information onto this page. Could someone have a look to mediate / block / protect the page or user? (

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is completed, like "this is the fourth appearance by São Paulo" (or some such), and that will trigger a new round of people wanting to change the article back.

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despite edit messages and messages to their Talk page. The issue is results being under twelve months old. Any help or mediation would be appreciated.

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If you really read everything it's more worrying than I imagined. Either you don't want to accept the new reality or you don't want to work.. or both.

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The reality is that the RfC represents the current consensus, and the links should not be modified without further discussion and changed consensus.

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I applied for a ticket to watch the tournament and when registering my interest on FIFA's website, I came across the following message: "Join us at

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I'm not inventing, I'm just using your own argument in another situation (which in this case doesn't favor you) and exposing your contradiction.

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sources. Please wait and see for the time being. You edited again the article, soon reverted because wait is needed now, despite those sources.

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Umm, can those that like to nominate hold off a little, it looks like there are currently 89 AfDs in our Football queue at the moment. Cheers.

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It is the first time I've noticed this earlier today. It's not just Swansea's article with the problem (which has been fixed), others such as

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I have to agree. If we include runners-up, why not third? Where does it end? Really, only the winner matters if we are talking about honors.

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The FIFA Intercontinental Cup is the competition that will start from scratch, the previous Intercontinental Cup was organized by Toyota.

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format involved more teams will be used. You can provide all the sources you want. "The inaugural edition under a new-expanded format".

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It is not one article. See the same League phase for Europa and Conference League or all qualifying rounds for all three competitions.

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I said it was my last comment in this discussion, however, with the emergence of new developments, I feel obliged to inform you here.

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Also, at the time of its creation in 2000, the old tournament name was FIFA Club World Championship, not changing it until 2006.

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to link the match report with only a URL and instead to use the string "Report" followed by a full reference: Report<ref: -->

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You are completely misinterpreting, it says "expanded version of the tournament" not "expanded tournament" like you interpreted.

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Did the team achieve promotion? If not then I would say second palce is not an honour. However, we follow the sources, and

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Sources that show that the new competition in fact is the FIFA Intercontinental Cup (Coupe Intercontinentale de la FIFA):

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To me having a citation for a players career statistics next to as of match played for their whole career is enough but @

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You actually get a medal for being a runner up in a tournament though whilst 3rd and beyond you do not receive a medal.

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the schedule a number of weeks ago. Strange how little information has been communicated on the tournament by FIFA.

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The fact is the article right now is clearly in disagreement with the highest football authority that treats it as "

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in their names. It doesn't mean they are the same tournament and the same applies for the new FIFA Club World Cup.

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I suggest everyone reading all discussion, but if you don't have time I will help you summarizing the situation:

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Indeed, the local consensus is by the writers of the template documentation. Use proper refs, not inline urls.

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So, on the contrary, your argument and the sentence you highlighted only endorses that it is a new tournament.

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I can see another path, and that is to wait for a while. I'll bet that FIFA says something different when the

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will grace the world stage in June and July 2025, when 32 of the globe's leading teams gather in the USA for

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I have given a level 4 warning to the IP editor. If they restore the content, I will report them to ANEW. —

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So the template is wrong. Who will change all of the instances where it is clearly wrong? Sarcasm intended.

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who believes runners-up positions in the Colombian league and Brazilian state league should be included in

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I don't know how each team deals, Brazil separates the Olympic/Pan American history from the full A team.

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participation in the tournament was announced by FIFA: "German team become the latest club to qualify for

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It cannot be a new tournament. The name FIFA Club World Cup is still there. The format has changed, only.

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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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Alright guys, as soon as new information and news emerges I will post it here to continue updating you.

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decision to call it the new FIFA Club World Cup and 2025 as its inaugural edition, as we can see here:

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seems to think you need one for every single year of a players career the person I am referring to is

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The reality is that you are changing the links from a club founded in 1947 to a club founded in 2003.

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best solution is to wait and not rushing any interpretation that it could be a new tournament or not.

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For a lot of international pages there is no record of their older fixtures on Knowledge (XXG) - yet

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Once I noticed the same thing, putting the link report as normally used, but my edit was reverted by

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Now it doesn't mean anything. We need still to wait. The name FIFA Club World Cup is still there.

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To avoid making it too boring, I gave only 2 examples in my last reply, but here are a few more:

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directs it to show. I've put the alternate one on there now and it seems to have done the trick

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I have warned the IP about edit-warring. If they do not self-revert, then we can take it to

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With each example you give, you contradict yourself and unintentionally argue in my favor.

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When does the tournament start? Several sources confirm that it will be on September 22 (

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reply where I give a resume of what is just happening with this situation more recently.

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is the inaugural edition of a new tournament, the same way FIFA says, as we can see at

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with details of qualified teams, dates, competition format, hosts, tickets and more"; "

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You seem to be more interested in arguing than improving articles. No sarcasm needed.

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Knowledge (XXG) guidelines, it is worth making a change to the article to correct it.

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Also, we have Confederations treating 2025 edition as the inaugural one, for example:

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like format and different tournaments from this FIFA Club World Cup (2025 onwards)."

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The inaugural tournament, in which 32 teams from across the globe will compete..."

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The inaugural tournament, in which 32 teams from across the globe will compete..."

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Sorry. Get the template changed rather than try to change one article at a time.

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FIFA treats same way: inaugural edition/inaugural champion) won't? Inconsistent.

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that proves the way the football governing body decided to treat the tournament.

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It's not a local consensus, it is a requirement of Knowledge (XXG) policy. Per

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I have not edited nothing. See history pages. At least not this kind of edit.

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Seems to say "Found y, Found x, Found nat". Must be an error in the code. --

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Should league runners-up finishes be included in a player's honours section?

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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Football/Nominations for deletion and page moves

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I admit this is an attempt to come in line with Knowledge (XXG) policy. —

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If you are considering creating an account, you should start by reading

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I am curious, are there no pages housing the older records of results?

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this might change, because right now this is far from straightforward.

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FIFA's new prime club competition - the FIFA Club World Cup 2025™ -

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of the tournament is scheduled to take place in December 2024.

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have the extra unwanted text below the flag nations as well.

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tournament's scheduling but failed to make the info public.

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world football and the most important non-primary sources).

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Also: "Find out the information on the new club tournament"

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The international governing body of association football (

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Just in time, the last one was published today by ESPN: "

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We need more input on existing AFDs from FOOTY members.

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events, and thus should be listed at the senior teams.

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the last article published by ESPN a couple of days ago

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the topic, but upon careful analysis it becomes clear.

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I'm sorry, but you're doing a futurology exercise here.

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tournament and its champion as the inaugural one too.

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draw) when it might be more clear or more consistent.

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