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literally anyone who's played music. I have three different cousins who have all recorded and published music on YouTube, Spotify, etc. but there's no way I would call any of them notable. If the band has coverage in newspapers, magazines, established online sources that aren't blogs, then they would be considered notable enough for a
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certification is completely excessive for the UK, which has a different grading system to most other countries. A silver certification requires 200,000 sales, and required 250,000 sales before 1989. That is actually more than enough, especially for a country that does not have diamond certification,
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I feel that the gold record or higher criteria for music, along with the rest of it is a little too high a bar. I understand that a small screaming punk garage band called βMy
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and whose silver certification is (having regard to relative population) much stricter than gold certification elsewhere including the US. The present criteria is obviously based on RIAA and is USA-centric. It should be changed. Silver certification in the UK should suffice.
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Is there a template message people can use when they find band spam? I'd like to be able to leave a message on talk pages explaining the criteria and linking here. Is there such a thing? If there's anything good it would be great to add it to twinkle.
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it for other reasons. I have nothing more to say here, but would be listening to additional advice here if it will be forthcoming. To save bandwidth: I think that I understand both the PAYWALL and the reasons for that quite well, it is a
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is an impossibly subjective standard of no use to
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subscriptions; it's ok if, as a new page patroller, you have to give up on reviewing a specific article because the sources are too hard to access; doesn't make the sources wrong.
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