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references. How else are we supposed to convince Taku to fix their problem. I've tried offering them
Userspace which has been rejected, we've tried bargining with "Trial by Mainspace" to see if Taku is willing to put their money where their mouth is (and was flatly rejected), we've tried submitting them to AfC to have a review go over them (and those were reverted), so now we're trying Redirect discussions (because bold redirection is being reverted as "Vandalism") and MFDs to compel Taku to either fix the pages or let them go. Taku is only the frequent target because they created 200ish drafts 2 years ago and hasn't come back after several reminders and requests to fix them. In short Taku's been abusing
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any objection. TakuyaMurata on the other hand has spent nearly one thousand bytes defending their right to keep these while not making one single byte of improvement to the pages. One pseudeo edit every 6 months resets the clock on the pages, however if it's discovered that the clock is being disruptively being reset every 5 months then we can look at addressing those pages through more involved mechanisms such as "Merge and
Redirect", Redirect without merge, MFD, or numerous other mechanisms. Taku has a couple options: Take the pages back to their userspace, Work on the page and let other editors work on it as well, Move the page to mainspace and improve it, Delete the page.
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fixing the issues with their pages. As has been said multiple times, all it takes is 1 edit to get the page off the "not edited in over 6 months" and I go away until it becomes not-edited in 6 months again. At it currently stands there's pages that haven't had a single edit in 2 years and I'm trying to be impartial so I'm working from "page with the oldest last edit to newest" i.e. Pages that were edited over 2 years ago and working forward. If taku made one single edit I'd probably go away for a year simply because there's a great many other pages to clean up. I would also note that Taku is the only editor who has objected to their pages being evaluated and resolved.
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find anything useful in the ocean of fragmentary ideas) would be that the community would become more dominated by those who regard
Knowledge as just another website where the rules of the 'net apply—those who complain the loudest are able to drive away the meek, and they can store anything they like. My concern is to maintain the integrity of NOTWEBHOST by insisting that everything has a plausible purpose for building articles. I would be happy to integrate all the drafts in question into a single page, and people could evaluate the result.
3478:. I come to the page, consider if it has a reasonable chance in mainspace, promote it if it is. If not, I see if there is a mainspace page (or subsection of a page) that could be a good target for a redirect. If the page's author decides they want to merge content from the redirected page (because I did not file for deletion) they can go back to the history and merge over the useful content. If there doesn't seem to be any mainspace content, I file for G13 because it meets the criteria. Deletion is the last resort.
3367:@Legacypac, I am sorry for not having been sufficiently verbose about the intended meaning of "professional incompetence", but I hope, that confessing my personal "professional incompetence" on many matters of "real estate and business topics" makes it bearable for you to be coined as "professionally incompetent" in math, especially since you insist on judging certain drafts on math as being on "very obscure topics". For a more professional judgment of the drafts, please, consult the
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the can down the road 6 months and come back to the same conversation where people request Taku to fix the pages, Taku tries for every loophole and exception, it gets ignored and we repeat again in 6 months. I'd love for Taku to actually do something about the pages, but with over 200 times as many bytes spent debate-defending these and not a single byte spent on actually resolving the issue, you can see how a certain section of the community's patience is wearing thin.
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puzzled is this urgency to get things done "right this moment". Will the climate of
Knowledge reach such an unsustainable level if I didn't complete 10 or 20 drafts? All I need is evidence for this exigency to complete drafts in the timely fashion. I now understand some drafts without context can be problematic so I'm agreeing to do something about these for the reviewers (it makes sense). But then how is then some other draft with a clearer purpos a problem? --
3162:, because of a "fiat iusticia, pereat mundus". Instead of questioning their relentless perseverance in enforcing their mostly self-imposed targets, or, at least, referring to their commenting on the suggestion by RoySmith below, they enforce and enforce again their brine of bureaucracy, used as a repellent for valuable WP-editors and as a lure for the unproductive enforcers of rules, not even pondering the negligibility of efforts to maintain
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replacing each draft title. This project would then have an easily accessible list of topics that could be quickly browsed and improved with the aim of developing encyclopedic articles. However, keeping one-line drafts because they concern mathematics is not reasonable because there is no practical way they can be stored indefinitely without encouraging others to indefinitely store less scholarly material (non-notable
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these requests for feedback get bogged down in needless nitpicking ("This topic isn't exactly what a mainspace page describes and it's not entirely the page") and plays for more time (see Taku's multiple requests for delay, filing pointy RFCs, filing pointy RMs, filing pointy DRVs, etc). My AGF is 100% spent on Taku's pages, but I still attempt to do the right thing with respect to
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administrative discussions is the wrong way for solving these problems. Harassing one of the few competent mathematical editors, as it is done, is certainly not a good way for improving the mathematical content of
Knowledge, and may only result in decreasing the number of competent mathematical editors. Thus
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This illustrates the classical problem of the math. project: there are many subjects that should be covered and are not, and we lack of competent editors for covering them. The competent editors that we have have not enough time for covering these subjects. Spending time of competent editors for such
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With some sadness I notice how two (for the time being) eager janitors (Hasteur, Legacypac) insist on tidying up a list about WP in one and only one sequence of its items, exactly according to their vision of virtual damage done to the holy project, thereby annoying TakuyaMurata, provoking continuous
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With respect, I disagree. The deficcencies in
Geometry of an algebraic curve can be corrected via normal editing. It may take a while, but there is no reason why it should be clawed back to draft space where beneficial tools such as Categorization and maintenance tags can help it are required to be
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contributions in the widespread draft-hunt, not only about the drafts themselves, but also about the questioned editor. I would request your "dozens of blank pages" to be judged by professionals in the field of "real estate and business topics", and not by volunteering janitors. One has to live with
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Well I take affront to being called "professionally incompetent" and the suggestion that there is "agreed upon scientific potential" for contentless pages on very obscure topics. I could create dozens of blank pages on real estate and business topics and then defend them as notable forever, but that
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I disagree with the categorization of being dictatorial and intentionally trying to stop. Taku has had multiple opportunities (May of 2016, June of this year through current) to put their volunteer efforts into actually fixing the pages. Instead Taku spends time obstructing any request that starts
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I am supportive of the overall effort to streamline the draft namespace for the purposes of AfC and active development drafts. I do not think it is consistent with the purpose of this namespace to be an indefinite host for sandboxes. Drafts with no encyclopedic content that have been abandoned for
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where the issue was raised at this talk page and Taku participated. Raising the issue in a non-combative forum (as opposed to
Deletion Proceedings, or forced redirection) has been tried and gets nitpicked off into oblivion to the point that Taku argues there is no consensus to do anything. We kick
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the zeros is the canonical version, rather than the version without. Note: I am not looking at the MR "Relay
Station" shown to users without a subscription, I am looking at actual MathSciNet as most people who use MathSciNet would, to see the review. Similarly, when I search MathSciNet for "Turing,
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pages that have lain dormant for two years that have been brought to an appropriate wikiproject twice (May 2016, June 2017) in which there seemed to be a reasonable argument for Taku to take action on these pages either by returning them back to Taku's userspace or by performing a single edit. That
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The problem is that
Knowledge works well due to its community. However, that community shifts over time. If NOTWEBHOST is eroded so one-line drafts on a "good" topic are stored indefinitely, other projects would naturally want similar storage facilities. The damage (apart from the inability to ever
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which lists all pages in draft namespace that do not have a AFC template on them that are at least 6 months unedited. I am working that report from the oldest edit moving forward to newest edit. Every other editor who has had pages on that list has given the go ahead to delete them or has not made
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Before asking "How else are we supposed to convince Taku to fix their problem", maybe you should ask "is there actually a problem", and "are we supposed to ask Taku to fix it". I have seen you cross-posting to many different message boards trying to build support for your position that Taku should
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that it is about inactive users only? Next, you will be determining that stubs in article space created by retired users are also abandoned drafts? And then, all stubs? Where does it stop? Your project has a clear mission statement. You have clearly overstepped it. Now, instead of actually cleaning
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Obviously I did not compare math drafts with porn. It's just that I spend too much time hanging around noticeboards and am well aware of how advocacy groups sometimes operate (in case there is any doubt, WikiProject Mathematics is not an advocacy group). What editors here regard as obviously worth
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Taku, it's considered bad wiki form to assign a gender pronoun to an editor who hasn't indicated what pronoun they prefer. That's why "They" is (as I understand it) the preferred identifier. Your 10 to 20 drafts may not be the problem but they're the camel's nose in the tent. If you want 10 to 20
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I didn't know that that would allow them to use it freely, as the notes at the bottom of the edit field say By saving changes, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL. I don't want to misinform them. They are
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Not sure about the last part. Do you mean to say the abandoned drafts (in fact not even abandoned....) now need to be deleted? There is no such consensus. And whenever I asked for the consensus you go silent. Can we have evidence-based discussion? You admit my drafts are not problems. Can you now
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It's not like that. All you need to do is look at Taku's talkpage back to June 2016 esp to see his strange obsession with keeping his notes in Draft - amd no one dare touch them. Look up one thread to see him trying to move pages from mainspace back to his sacred Draft space. He keeps trying to
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I have been referred as "they" so apparently I'm gender-less :) Anyway to be on the record, there are some drafts started by me that are actually ready to be moved to the mainspace. Among those is this one. I made a mistake of undoing the move, which I regret. All I'm asking or in fact am being
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Misrepresenting the other people's views get us to nowhere "these are problematic and probably belong in their Userspace". There is no such a consensus. You need to get out of the fantasy land; I'm still waiting in the real (and virtual!) world where we are trying to build the encyclopedia. --
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Just to put my side of the story on the record: I objected to the moves since that would defeat the purpose of the draftspace. How is it the case it would be ok if I were to work on them in my userspace but not in the draftspace? The logic is simply broken here. I can be persuaded only if some
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is policy. The purpose of that policy is to encourage everyone to regard Knowledge as an encyclopedia where everything is done for the ultimate benefit of the encyclopedia. There would be no problem, for example, if all the drafts in question were put in a single page with a level-two heading
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We're cleaning up bad drafts by trying to focus the effort into mainspace. Taku's creations have languished for over 2 years without Taku doing anything about it. Taku was nagged about them over a year ago. Some of the creations are barely 2 sentences, some are a "See Also" section and 2
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To be complete, the comment not to disrupt the ongoing work had been included when the author was still building the article in mainspace, and I then moved it into draft space to give him room to finish it, but he did more work and then moved it back into mainspace. AFD is in progress.
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but I strongly object to stalk drafts with agreed upon scientific potential, obviously being under attention, just because of appearing at a particular place in some list for inappropriate measurements, taken by professionally incompetent cleaning personel. Furthermore, I cannot see any
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I'm a bit confused here. Are seriously suggesting that some editor is required to do (pseudo) edit every 6 months on draft articles in his user space, so that he doesn't get bothered by you or some user space clean up crew? And you think that TakuyaMurata is the only one objected to
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agree that there is no community consensus that abandoned drafts need to be deleted? By the way, this is unrelated to the G13 RfC since the expansion, which I support, is about streamlining the deletion process not about changing the inclusion criteria for the draftspace. --
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is so far beyond pale that you just need to sit down. The page already had at least a 50% chance of surviving in mainspace. That you want to pull it back into draft namespace gain demonstrates that you don't want to build mainspace, you want to protect your creations.
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I agree with Carl, the zeros do appear in the actual MathSciNet listings, but you can look up a review by MR number with or without the leading zeros. If MathSciNet is being cavalier about these leading zeros, I don't see why we should do anything about
3406:(I'm not offended by porn; porn producers can be as professional as math professors, if not esteemed.) I don't think NOTWEBHOST is applicable here. If that is the issue, the location of the draft pages doesn't matter nor if they are in a single page. --
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As long as the actual MathSciNet adds the zeros when they are omitted, and shows them by default, I don't think we should make a lot of edits here to remove them from our links. I think you have just found a quirk in the "Relay Station" script. — Carl
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and might be the basis of a published work. Thinking about a previous case where user's work here was pushed to mainspace only to find out that the user was using wikipedia as a staging ground for creating a published article in a journal
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I don't have access to MathSciNet. The question remains though. Should we strip 0s, or should we pad with 0s? The landing page for most people will have the stripped version. No idea what the landing page is if you have a subscription.
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As I see this, there are no strong involvements beside these three, perhaps even a bit of denying the damage, which is claimed by the two, if they would not succeed, and a bit of difference in valuating the drafts/stubs under conflict.
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Or Taku could try to canvas support for what they precieve as supportave editors... You know... Try to dillute any consensus. WP:Mathematics has already told Taku that these are problematic and probably belong in their Userspace.
2066:"Do not take drafts from active users. If the draft has been stale for an exceptional amount of time, however, feel free to leave a note on their talk page asking if they plan on finishing the draft." (From these guidelines.)
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Not worth to integrate the drafts before the community decision to go this way. And nothing to evaluate; everyone can easily imagine the result. I, for one, am ready to take a half of the routine work of such "integration".
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I agree that non-encyclopedic content has no place in Knowledge; the question here is an old encyclopedic content; does it need to be gone just because it's old? Should we start deleting old stubs in the mainspace? --
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There are many stale pages in the mainspace. Similarly, "stale" itself isn't an issue; it just happens that there are many stale problematic drafts. Many blacks are criminals; doesn't mean all black are criminals. --
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But is it more polite to consult the main writer of the draft for the move to the mainspace in the first place? Remember the goal is not the cleanup but building an encyclopedia. Keep the priority straight. --
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The scope of that project is "Any drafts that are created by users who are deemed inactive". Taku is obviously not inactive. Therefore, it should be clear that his drafts are out of scope for their guidelines.
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Can anyone with a track record of a couple of DOIs publish his/her own (?) PhD thesis (along with a video) on WP? This is possible (but not definite) self-promotion. The only account activity is this.
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I don't understand the complaint against Takuya Murata. Can someone explain why the existence of these drafts is a problem? If it is a problem, could it be solved by moving them to the user namespace?
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up bad drafts, you seem to have set your goal to be harassing active users into retirement in order to justify the claim that their drafts are abandoned. How does that help build an encyclopedia? —
3791:. As to the question, I do not think any action is of enough importance to be worth making any edits to the wiki. I would trust the editors who enter MR links to know what they are doing. — Carl
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Yes, that is the "Relay Station" as it says at the top. That is the "free" version that only shows the bibliographical info. Try using regular MathSciNet as you do to read the reviews. — Carl
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Since when is Taku a retired user? Or are you interpreting anything left in draft space, even by non-retired users, as somehow abandoned, despite the clear statement which I quoted
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If you don't have access to MathSciNet, I think it would be a better idea to leave maintenance of MathSciNet links to those who do and who use it routinely. Here is a screenshot
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keeping would apply for different pages to editors in every other wikiproject. The community cannot decide to indefinitely keep math drafts but delete pages from other projects.
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In my valuation, far too many potential contributors, capable of delivering substantial contributions to WP, have been driven away by such unchallenged bureaucracy, meanwhile.
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We are discussing Draft space. Taku refuses to use his userspace for them. At 6 months unedited the pages are subject to G13 deletion. That is true for all of Draftspace now.
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I tried to fix the most mechanical issues, like dead links in the references, but this page needs a lot of work. It has no lede, and the first section stops in mid-sentence.
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Sure. And I have changed my position to delete/expand some of my shortndraft pages without context or content. The draftpage in question certainly has some meat. --
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somehow be censured for creating these drafts. I have not seen you actually justify the position that the existence of these drafts is causing any harm to anybody. —
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problem... It's not Mathematics pages that I and others are trying to address, It's not Taku's pages that I and others are trying to address, it
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There is a disagreement as to whether the development of the math-related articles in the main namespace benefits from redirecting this draft (at
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Clearly, OR. The author asks "Please do not disrupt the ongoing work!" on the talk page there. Well, he could continue the work on his userspace.
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about two new mathematics journals, and whether they are (yet) suitable subjects for a Knowledge article. Your thoughts are welcome. Thanks,
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For the record, this (storing drafts in the project subpage) seems to work; as long as there is no objection among the project members. --
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I have never actually encountered a journal that didn't like prior public versions. But maybe standards are different in different areas. —
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could be a great help to this project given some guidance. I'm taking the liberty of pinging a random few of you who have edited recently.
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has done a good job of fixing up references. More development is possible, but I think the article is a reasonable stub at this point. --
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1999:(empasis mine) Please take a look at the goals section and see that Taku's creations fall square in the middle of Abandoned drafts.
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Yes, but I don't see any strong reason why they must be normalized. Leaving thing as-is seems like a reasonable choice. — Carl
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legitimate reason is given (not just harassment.) --
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