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groups if I were a newcomer in the subject, namely the state-of-the-art results which are considered important (top journals references). But you are a hugely qualified Wiki author, and I would like to know your opinion: what would be typically missing, or useless? As I intend to invest myself in writing on several subject of my expertise area, I am much willing to understand what is the exact aim and philosophy of Wiki (as far as mathematical subjects are concerned). Thank you very much for any comment....
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bug; there's no guarantee that a browser will keep the current state of what you're doing cached if you move forward to another page. Ideally it will try to, especially for simple stuff, but that's not something you can rely on. On the other hand, if you go browsing in another tab or window, then all should be fine, but if not, it's likely browser-related, not a Mediawiki issue. Or have I misunderstood what the problem is? –
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are kept only if one does almost nothing (no search in the page, no diff, no look to the source, ...) with the visited page(s). Therefore, I have now the habit to use another tab for navigation during an editing process, and, when searching or following a link from the edit window, to to it with the right button and "open the link in another tab".
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This WPM talk page is on my watchlist, in the sense that I do see the corresponding blue star between "View history" and "More". And nevertheless it does not appear on my watchlist. This is a new phenomenon (the last week or two). Mostly, my watchlist looks as before; but some items are missing, I do
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I am far from well-qualified WP editor, and I appreciate the compliments but your contributions here may be equally or more important than my own. As XOR'easter mentioned, the top of my talk page has the aforementioned talk header template. If you mean my user page itself, feel free to copy bits that
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I am (enthusiastically) willing to work on merging "Artin groups" and "Artin-Tits groups", which by coincidence have been created almost simultaneously. I just need a few days, and I'll post a proposal. OK ? I am a specialist of this area of mathematics, and should be able to make something coherent.
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only allowed for relations between consecutive generators, but I think that's just a quirk of how it was written and not actually what's intended. Otherwise, I guess we should just try to see if there's anything different enough in the new article worth merging in, and redirect to Artin group (with
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Thank you for your input, I declined it because I didn't think there were sufficient sources, I merely commented that it was largely incomprehensible, I have added some Wiki linking and moved it to article space. It does need better sourcing and I am sure it could be written in a more accessible way
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I’m late but I can confirm I had the same type of (very disheartening) experiences before on multiple occasions; they may have been in Knowledge or some other website. Since I couldn’t figure out the behavior (how unsubmitted text is handled), my habit has been to copy large text into the clipboard
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This depends on the browser, and even on the browser version. With Safari, non-saved edits are sometime lost, sometime not lost when one come back to a page with the back button. If one has left the page after clicking "show preview", edits are sometimes kept, but with the most recent versions they
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To Deacon Vorbis: Yes, I think you got it right. My browser is Firefox. I was thinking that there are three things I might do to work around this: (1) copy the source of my edit into a file on my disk before going on such expeditions, just in case this happens; (2) do the search and cutting (before
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Not quite sure I'm following your steps exactly. Do you mean that from the edit window, you went directly to another article (maybe via the search bar), and then hit the back button on your browser only to find that it hadn't saved the state of what you were doing? If so, then that's not really a
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to get the symbol for the powerset. I had to enter the editor to see the source of that article to get "\mathcal (P)". When I tried to back out of that edit and return to my original edit, it would not allow me to do so. Ultimately, I had to "resend" to escape and as a result I lost most of what I
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About the title, there is no obvious answer. Artin-Tits groups are a vast subject, and many people work on them. More importantly, there are several classes of such groups, and several specialized subcommunities. "Artin-Tits groups" is more common in recent references. But an important subcommity,
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About the content, your comment "The article mostly consists of a list of properties and results that does not seem entirely appropriate here too" is very interesting. This is precisely what I aimed at doing: it seems to me that the paper, as it stands, would be all I expect to learn about these
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Thanks for your contributions! Knowledge has many idiosyncrasies, and I'm not sure anyone is completely familiar or comfortable with all of them, no matter how long they've been here. Discussing the article here is fine; another good venue is
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not know why. If I click the blue star ("remove this page from your watchlist") and then click the (no more blue) start again (making it blue again), it helps; the page returns to my watchlist. But afterward it disappears again. Why so?
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those working on "Right Angled Artin-Tits groups" ("RAAGs") uniformly use "right-angled Artin groups", and not "right-angled Artin-Tits groups". Ideally, the two names should be possible. What is the better solution for this situation?
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had already written. I cannot say in words just how discouraging this is. For several minutes I sat stunned, enervated, unable to do anything. Eventually, I forced myself to re-enter an approximation to what I had written before.
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I took a red pen to the opening paragraph. I tried to make it somewhat better, but there's still plenty that could be done I'm sure. As I said in the edit summary, please feel free to revert or tweak further as you like.
1818:" to the overly-pedantic "slower than many double exponential functions e.g. (example)". I don't think this is an improvement, but additional opinions might be more helpful than my repeated reversion of these edits. — 2062:). The reason seems that the alignment is done on the center of the argument and that the space character is viewed as a zero-height character placed at the bottom of the line. For having a normal alignment such as 1408:
PS. I enterely agree with the critics about the first draft of "Artin-Tits groups", of which I am the author. I am not yet very familiar with the editorial features of Knowledge, but I should learn fast...
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I did some minor cleanup, but I am not sure which is the more prevalent name. The article mostly consists of a list properties and results that does not seem entirely appropriate here too. Thoughts? —
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This is not the first time this has happened. It has happened several times before. But it is infrequent enough that I forget to take precautions against it. Is there some way to get this bug fixed?
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Which editor(s) are you using? It may make a difference. I haven't had problems except when my browser exceeded available memory on my machine and locked up.... 01:36, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
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already covers the topic but a quick Google search shows the topic is of independent interest. (I admit I’m not a specialist on this area so the others might know better.) —
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I don't think the edit is an improvement; I suspect that that is the sort of sentence which can be tweaked all sorts of ways without making it much more or much less clear.
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for the bogus reason of being "largely incomprehensible" (it is a technical subject that would not reasonably be expected to be comprehensible to non-mathematicians). —
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It may not be deliberate destruction motivated by hatred of the good, but damaging things as a result of carelessness or ignorance can be just as harmful.
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pasting) in another copy of Firefox; or (3) save my edit before I am really done and then edit again after I have done the search. What do you recommend?
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Indeed, that is what my comment meant. Knowledge articles should be well-written prose that introduces and describes domains of knowledge,
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A minor point: your talk page is wonderfully structured, with a summarized "abstract" presenting you. How could I do the same for me?
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I now posted a tentative version of the new, completed page merging "Artin group" and "Artin-Tits group". Please check and criticize.
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from languishing in draft state. It looks well-sourced and reasonably close to publishable to me (although the title should be
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you may want to include on your own. The procedure to write on it is the same as writing on any other Knowledge page! —
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You can put the text "{{Talk header}}" at the top of your own Talk page to make a header. This is an example of a
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Is there the right place to answer these questions? (I am an old mathematician, but a newcomer on Knowledge...).
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To Arthur Rubin: I was just using the normal editor provided by Knowledge, the old one, not the visual editor.
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with an en-dash and no plural, and it needs more wikilinks), but a request to publish it was declined by
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suffered a glitch). Anyway the concept is defined via Cayley graphs and may deserve a section there.
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is for factoring numbers and the other two use a similar method for finding discrete logarithms.
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I like your version better than what was there before, and further tweaked it. --
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and then breaking it out into its own article if that material grows too big.
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mathematics articles that have received the "Good article" stamp of approval
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It is a pity that cocycle of a group action is not treated; neither in "
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Thank you for the works. I will now make the draft page a redirect. —-
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Or maybe not quite so. I just tried to click twice the star on
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before hitting submit (if edits are small, I don’t bother). —-
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Was the merger done well, and what further work may be needed?
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No separate IMHO, but definitely as little as redirect to
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no opinion on what the actual ultimate name should be). –
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To Lazard: Thanks for the suggestion. I will try the
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This is just an alternate name. — 2132: 1551:has told me that he merged it into 1379:Definitely needs to be merged with 45:WikiProject Mathematics archives ( 32: 1833:Very depressing bug in the editor 1689:rather than an academic reference 1236:may be automatically archived by 2451:Genus (mathematics)#Graph theory 2349:Genus (mathematics)#Graph theory 2151:) is obtained with <math: --> 2107:\sqrt{{~^~}^~\!\!}</math: --> 1806:Factorial and double exponential 38: 2324:The way it seems to me is that 1753:Special:Contributions/Hanumantw 2176: 1: 1253:Someone might want to rescue 2304:Pollard's kangaroo algorithm 2290:Pollard's kangaroo algorithm 2049:{\displaystyle {\sqrt {\;}}} 1816:double exponential functions 1751:Please look at these edits: 2505:23:07, 27 August 2019 (UTC) 2479:19:18, 27 August 2019 (UTC) 2463:18:46, 27 August 2019 (UTC) 2441:17:45, 27 August 2019 (UTC) 2423:17:24, 27 August 2019 (UTC) 2405:In fact, nowhere the genus 2401:17:09, 27 August 2019 (UTC) 2383:16:21, 27 August 2019 (UTC) 2361:22:52, 26 August 2019 (UTC) 2333:18:09, 24 August 2019 (UTC) 2316:17:21, 24 August 2019 (UTC) 2297:15:35, 24 August 2019 (UTC) 2275:08:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC) 2243:09:21, 21 August 2019 (UTC) 2228:08:43, 21 August 2019 (UTC) 2202:08:14, 19 August 2019 (UTC) 2163:07:54, 19 August 2019 (UTC) 2118:07:42, 19 August 2019 (UTC) 2024:06:57, 19 August 2019 (UTC) 2006:06:51, 19 August 2019 (UTC) 1985:22:54, 17 August 2019 (UTC) 1960:01:29, 14 August 2019 (UTC) 1942:15:22, 13 August 2019 (UTC) 1928:07:51, 13 August 2019 (UTC) 1913:06:13, 13 August 2019 (UTC) 1891:01:42, 13 August 2019 (UTC) 1859:01:20, 13 August 2019 (UTC) 1828:22:46, 17 August 2019 (UTC) 1798:08:15, 17 August 2019 (UTC) 1780:01:21, 12 August 2019 (UTC) 1765:16:07, 11 August 2019 (UTC) 1742:15:42, 12 August 2019 (UTC) 1713:Australian IP edit-wars in 1614:17:30, 8 August 2019 (GMT) 1555:. 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So two questions arise: 1535:13:20, 8 August 2019 (UTC) 1521:03:42, 8 August 2019 (UTC) 1500:03:28, 8 August 2019 (UTC) 1485:03:18, 8 August 2019 (UTC) 1462:16:58, 4 August 2019 (UTC) 1439:19:47, 3 August 2019 (UTC) 1429:15:27, 1 August 2019 (UTC) 1414:15:15, 1 August 2019 (UTC) 1404:15:11, 1 August 2019 (UTC) 1299:How is this distinct from 2249:Cocycle of a group action 2106:I have used <math: --> 1393:16:11, 28 July 2019 (UTC) 1374:13:49, 28 July 2019 (UTC) 1336:01:16, 28 July 2019 (UTC) 1313:22:17, 27 July 2019 (UTC) 1295:21:44, 27 July 2019 (UTC) 1275:21:13, 27 July 2019 (UTC) 2233:Already answered there. 2012:Talk:Normal distribution 1543:More on Artin–Tits group 2326:Pollard's rho algorithm 2292:about the same thing? 2210:Convex hull lower bound 2123:P.S. 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