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1310:, or any of a dozen other fictional topics. The mention of 'Encyclopedia of Arda' just came in because someone suggested that there was no need to have Tolkien content here because it was 'all taken care of already'... but, as noted, The Encyclopedia of Arda is incomplete and sometimes inaccurate. There is 'interpretation' of the books as there is 'POV' on many pages... over time these instances are identified and clarified. The 'aims' of the WikiProject are to develop detailed and accurate articles on Tolkien's Middle-earth. --
1407:, the real people and items related to Tolkien as opposed to what the books are about (i.e. characters, places, weapons, etc.)? And for the character's article (I agree with you that the Faramir article has way too much information, so Ted and I are working to cut it down), but what do you consider brief? By this, I mean that perhaps there is an example of a character article on Knowledge? I have found character articles that expand quite a lot of the fictionous information and have
1702:: Try to limit the number of categories. For example, a film actor that holds a law degree should be categorized as a film actor, but not as a lawyer unless his or her legal career was notable in its own right. However it is also important to ensure that categories contain all of the most relevant articles. This means that some prominent people, such as senior politicians who have held many different offices, will be in a considerable number of categories.
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Tengwar? It is just words in a particular font and thus I believe it doesn't fall under copyright, but anyone familiar with the stories would recognize it. Shaping the words in a circle, as Tolkien did for his cover art, probably wouldn't run into copyright issues either... but adding the ring, eye, and 'flames' would. Another possibility might be a small non-derivative map of northwestern Middle-earth. --
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Tolkien wikicity, which would expand on the subject. The "real world" articles on the wikicity would (reversing the process) treat something like "Tolkien research" with a brief entry and a link to Knowledge, which would expand on the subject. This may be beyond the scope of this project, but I thought I'd raise the issue here.
856:... which has a more generic header and is already being used for some locations that don't appear in LotR. Alternatively, we could make a separate 'Infobox Tolkien' to cover characters/places/objects from his stories. BTW, what is the 'Silmarillion characters article'? I can't recall seeing an article specifically for Silmarillion characters. There is a
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looking at the portals and
Wikiprojects (like this one). Obviously there will be more "Middle-earth" stuff than the "real-world" stuff, but I hope to be able to make some useful suggestions. Are there any other Tolkien-related portals or Wikiprojects? I know of the Middle-earth portal, and this Wikiproject. Is that it?
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Tolkien wikicity, and the latter "real-world POV" articles at something like Knowledge. While articles should exist for all entries, on Knowledge the summary for "character"-type articles would be brief and to
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So, you mean remove the descriptions of the links, or the links themselves? I don't want to remove the links because it'll help them see what link is link on the WikiProject home page because like you said, it's a bit confusing. Basically, I based it off
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I haven't seen any standards for this, but it sounds like a good idea. Given that most of the names in
Tolkien's stories are given in invented or historical languages I don't think it makes sense to ALWAYS include the translations... there'd be dozens in some articles. Instead, I'd suggest having the
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I thought that a "Tolkein WikiProject" was a better name as well, but I didn't know if there was some other reason than people not getting around to it that it hasn't been named that. I'm all for changing the name as
Tolkein is more inclusive, since I would tend to think that we'd include articles
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You are right about the other articles on fictional places. I just find it very jarring to go from reading about historical characters and the history of the real world, or a serious science article, and in a few clicks end up at articles that go into mind-numbing detail on some obscure aspect of a
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On the picture for advertisements: ideally it would be something which displays well at small size, is instantly recognizable as 'Tolkien' related, but is not subject to copyright. Unfortunately, the 'recognizable' and 'not copyrighted' goals are largely contradictory. Possibly the ring inscription
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I'd suggest just going ahead and making some of these updates now. To date I've pretty much been 'running' the project solo (collecting information on standards, listing open tasks, et cetera) and I've got no problems with updates / alterations. Advertising / recruitment isn't my thing... if you've
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The problem I have with using the initials is that the abbreviation for First Age and Fourth Age (and the Fifth, for that matter) are the same: F. A. Of course, there's less written about the Fourth Age than the First, but and it would usually be obvious by context which age was being referred to,
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Having said all this, I should say that while I have heard of the
Tolkien wikicity, I haven't been there, so I don't know how active it is. In any case, such transwikiing could come later. My main point is to clearly separate and identify these two POVs for articles: (1) Articles about Tolkien and
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So, is it possible to draw the boundaries more clearly? At the moment, based on a comment further up the talk page, it seems that this WikiProject seems to want to imitate (and improve) on
Encyclopedia of Arda and similar websites, but is less tightly constrained. Pages I have looked at (and left
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Page updated and calling it WikiProject Middle-earth for now. I think the ring inscription in Tengwar would look good. Would you like to make the image? I'll make the userbox :). And if you'd like to add anything to the empty sections, please do. I will keep adding new stuff as time goes on.
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The obvious problem with the Encyclopedia of Arda is that it cannot be edited by the general public and thus there is no way to correct its errors. To take the example you bring up... their timelines have the start of the First Age off by several thousand years. In different texts Tolkien put the
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I was browsing through the Silmarillion characters article (which needs to cleaned up quite a bit), and I was thinking of renaming the character userbox, 'Tolkien Character' instead of 'Lord of the Rings Character', so that other characters in the Silmarillion or Unfinished Tales or Book of Lost
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as a starting point for this. There's an example of using the template on the linked page. Let me know what you think and any changes / adjustments. Right now it will conditionally display up to four roots - offhand I can't think of any words / names which have even that many. Is the 'for=north
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I've just been reading around some of the Tolkien articles, and I wondered if some of the goals and aims of this WikiProject could be clarified? In particular, some of the articles seem to go overboard on summarising the plotlines and using material from the books. There is also some degree of
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Yeah, clearly doing it for EVERY instance would be overkill, but I think it would be useful to do for a name or place in the article for that topic like you described. The format you suggest looks pretty good, the other idea would be some kind of template so that it could be easily changed if
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I hate to be the one to burst the WikiBubble on this one, but there is already an in-depth resource on the entirety of Middle Earth on the web: The Encyclopedia of Arda (www.glyphweb.com/arda/) This resource even has a Middle-Earth calendar and timelines, and an Interactive version that can be
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We could start off with a participant list on the project page, and advertisement for Tolkien fans uniting in this WikiProject. Also, I was thinking of merging WikiProject Similarion with Middle-earth into a Tolkien WikiProject or whatever you'd all like to call it, since the first one seems
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As for the Tolkien-related WikiProject, yup this is it. There was inactive one called Silmarillion WikiProject, but we merged with them. I'm guessing that you'd want another WikiProject that focuses on the real world of Tolkien? I've been thinking about to rename the Tolkien WikiProject—I
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Sounds good to me. I was surprised when I saw 'Wikiproject Silmarillion' added. I don't think we need separate projects for 'Silmarillion', 'Middle-earth', 'Tolkien', et cetera. 'Middle-earth' is a reasonable overall title, but 'Tolkien' is more inclusive. If we want to rename/merge this to
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If there is already some standards on this that I'm not aware of I apologize, but perhaps there should be some standards for usage of Tolkien's languages in articles. i.e. Standard formatting for translations of words or phrases, and notation for the language a name or place comes from and
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which seem to me to be almost entirely from the (fictional) perspective of a Middle-earth historian (apart from the film sections). In other words, try to get Tolkien-related articles and editors of such articles, to be aware of the distinction between writing from a Middle-earth POV and a
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And for the general infobox Tolkien, I like how we have seperate userboxes for seperate categories. Makes this easier and more organized. As for the 'Silmarillion characters article', I meant 'Silmarillion characters' articles'. Sorry, forgot that crucial apostrophe. For example,
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No, links and descriptions are both fine. Just thinking maybe a few less of them. Some of the listed items (e.g. accomplishments & collaboration) are new or not yet fully active. Might want to hold off on including them in a welcome advertisement until they are more active.
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the influences on him (work, languages, WWI) and the influence of his work on others (books and fandom and films, etc), as opposed to (2) Articles about the books (which which generally be written as if for an interested reader wanting to find out more about Middle-earth).
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Nice idea. There are several users who regularly edit Tolkien articles who may never have noticed the wikiproject. Would just suggest tightening it up a bit. More 'please join us in building and improving Tolkien content' and less 'we need to do this and this and this'.
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Do people think we should use a different image for this? Should the text below the image be something like 'Middle-earth portal' instead of the line from the book? Obviously, I'm trying to 'imply' it is a portal with the door image, but we could make it more explicit.
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Good find. The text there is very close to that in Morgoth's Ring, but seems to be paraphrased throughout. I haven't found an exact quotation yet though there are alot of shared words. I think the information in this article could be vastly cut down and merged into
441:'Wikiproject Tolkien' I don't have a problem with that. I removed the participant list back when I was the only person on it. More people about now so it might make sense to re-instate. I did create a few advertising banners and put them on various pages - see
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in anything Tolkien ever wrote. Likewise, the claim there that Tolkien provided no dates for events prior to the first moonrise is simply false, as can be seen from the five thousand Valian Years of history preceding that listed in the Knowledge
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fictional story. All part of the "fan" culture I suppose. Is it at all possible to expand and concentrate on the more clearly encyclopedic (I'd call it "real-world") articles? Maybe even create a category or listing for them somewhere? With
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This is just me, but I like "WikiProject Tolkien" better, as it allows inclusion of things not necessarily Middle-earth, like Smith of Wooten Major, Farmer Giles of Ham and Leaf, by Niggle. "Mmmm, dragontail, mmmm...."
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I wasn't aware of the existence of a Tolkien-related WikiProject and was thinking to make one myself when I found this WikiProject. May I suggest maybe perhaps expanding the Wikiproject further, like the
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That template looks good. I would tend to go with the second format you suggested, considering the mutations in sindarin change the elements it might be more confusing, but definitely good work.
1423:. Actually, I would like to hear on what you think about the two articles I've mentioned earlier. (I hope you don't feel like I am verbally attacking you, for that is not my intention at all). —
1651:, rather than remember the spaces and the letters. Maybe the answer to put the J.R.R Tolkien category inside a Tolkien category, and move some of the other ones into the more general category?
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but if the timeline were extended it would cause problems. Sixth and Seventh would both be S. A., which already stands for Second Age. To avoid ambiguity, I'm in favour of the format:
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Hey, wait, take a look at my userpage and look for the User WikiProject Middle-earth template, do you see that whole space between the template? Do you know why that happens? —
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Hrrrmmm, I'm still not seeing anything notably different from other template. Do you mean the small spaces between each box? Maybe e-mail me a screenshot. --
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