Knowledge talk:WikiProject Middle-earth/archive6

3971:

terms, but as others have said 'Middle-earth' is a de-facto general term for ALL of them. I think within Knowledge we should always use the specific terms and just explain the 'Middle-earth dichotomy' on the appropriate page(s). The only problem I have with 'Tolkien's legendarium' is that some of his stories didn't tie in to Middle-earth, but could still be called part of his 'legendarium'. Specific terms would have to vary by article and be subject to confusion and mis-use. As would any 'generic' intro using one of the 'geographic' terms above. Even 'the fictional universe of Ea' is going to be incorrect when referring to the Timeless Halls of Iluvatar. We might adopt 'Middle-earth legendarium' as a specific term (with an article) which we define and use to refer to stories regarding the whole of Ea plus the Timeless Halls

918:). Some characters, such as Aragorn, have a lot of information, especially where their biographies are concerned, and I feel that space used for family trees can be put to use for more useful items of information. Also, I'm not sure of how real-world critics would react if we included a family tree within a character article when undergoing FA peer review process. (We recently had a conflict with tense issues and regarding its FA position because of those tense issues in 31: 2896:. But I do see the advantages of also manually writing out a list to discuss in more detail. For that purpose, I'll create a subpage of the Assessment subpage, and copy your list there. I will also put my list there (the articles I have classed as "top" and "high" importance), and we can then merge them, and others can add articles they think should be included, and we can discuss on the talk page over there. Does that sound good? 3254:

consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.

3598:

not knowing anything, we should be more specific in what we mean by universe, world, realms, continents, and so on. Maintaining a consistent use of Middle-earth as a blanket term for everything related to Tolkien's works contradicts the information written in the articles (e.g. Eä, Arda, Aman, etc.). Hence, this contradiction develops (or has developed, rather) into an inconsistency in accuracy and facts. —

3632:

that some areas can be identified with some areas of our universe. In terms of names for categories and articles, I would say use the specific phrases, but not to worry about the names of templates (renaming widely-used ones can be a nightmare). I would then say that our terminology in articles should use the specific terms, but that we should have a standard footnote to add to quotes of usages of ME as a

3866:– I like this plan. For things related to Middle-earth, the lead sentence can start off with "In J. R. R. Tolkien's legendarium concerning Middle-earth", or if the subject has to do with more than just Middle-earth, then we should just cut it to "In J. R. R. Tolkien's legendarium" and later mention in the introduction about the location the subejct of the article is tied with. — 1037:

style tree would not seem to take up so much space if it was an article unto itself, I think. Of course this probably only works for family trees that are prominent enough to be included in a page to themselves, but smaller family trees don't even need to be drawn out as a tree if it's small enough. The relatives of the character could be easily referenced in the article itself.

2407:'s talk page about disagreements concernign assessments or on the talk page of an article itself. I'm also going to remove most of the articles that are listed up in the WP:1.0 list that we want to be distributed on CD, partly because it wasn't decided as a consensus and partly because I feel like we need to place more importance on real-world Tolkien-related articles i.e. 4152:

are a separate race. Actually Tolkien writes that they are a "variety" or "separate branch" (different species?) of the race of Men; this is stated in the article, along with the fact that characters, including the Hobbits themselves, think of them as a separate race (Men and Hobbits are as different

3759:

I think "legendarium" is suitable, because someone looking at that could assume what it ment, and if they can't they can just click on a link to it. That way if it is dealing with Middle-earth directly (such as the stories and characters in LOTR) the lead sentence can say "In Tolkien's legendarium of

3597:

Is it more comfortable to refer Middle-earth to everything related to Tolkien's legendarium? Yes. Is it accurate? No, and that usage is admittedly a little misleading, especially to the general audience, since Knowledge is a general interest encyclopedia. Since we're to assume that the reader does

3287:

I regret to say that, with about 1000 projects out there, I made a copy of one single message to send out to everyone. You are free to make any changes you wish to, but you might just want to tell me what they are. The internal formatting for the directory is kind of complicated, and it's really easy

2997:

and provide justification when you upload the images. If you can find publicity photos on the film or NewLine websites, you might be able to justify fair-use. Remember though that we shouldn't excessively use fair use images. It might seem like these images would be perfect for illustrating articles,

1405:

You added LOTR to the infoboxes for Elendil and his sons. Obviously they get talked about a lot, but do they really make an appearance? I haven't reread the book recently, but I don't think so. Am I missing something, or are you using a broader guage of relevance? I see the template talk page doesn't

1210:

style when pushed to a decision. A nice, neat, clean-looking page looks...well..."respectable", I suppose, even if it takes up a little more room. When most people go to a webpage, the first thing they judge by is appearance. The large size is only a problem if the tree is within a character article,

3922:

using applicable terms of Ea, Arda, Aman, and Middle-earth, or are we having Middle-earth articles start off with the lead sentence "In J. R. R. Tolkien's legendarium concerning Middle-earth" and leave off with the regular lead sentence for the rest? I prefer the former plan, simply because I don't

3631:

Apologies for not replying sooner. The table above summarises things perfectly, and would be a valuable addition to the standards page. The bit about identifying Ea/Arda/ME/Aman etc with areas of our Earth is more complex, and would need a whole article to do it justice. Best not to go beyond saying

2804:

Carcharoth, I would love to see your list! I just added three more categories (languages, races, objects) on my list that I realized we should put. I also added in Christopher Tolkien as a way of gratitude. Most children of authors don't go through the trouble CT did, but we know so little about

2378:

I've been busy assessing some of the articles for their relative importance. Think of this as which articles we should work on as a priority, and have completed if Knowledge was going to be distributed on CD or printed, and as which articles you would expect to see in a general-purpose encyclopedia.

1693:

is on the Main Page. If someone had remembered to keep an eye on the featured article queue for the main page, we might have been a bit more prepared! Please can everyone keep an eye on the article over the next 24 hours or so, as there will be a lot of vandalism, and also some good edits. Let's try

4014:

Per Carcharoth. I always thought legendarium included all the legends and myths that occured within a mythology/fictional history. It is said that Tolkien himself used the phrase to refer to his works (to quote from the article: "J. R. R. Tolkien also used the term to describe the totality of his

3970:

To be ultra nit-picky... 'Arda' might more accurately be called the 'earth system' than 'Earth'. It is the Earth plus everything which orbits it... in the mythology that'd include the sun, the moon, and the stars. The Earth alone is 'Ambar'. I think we definitely need to differentiate these various

3699:

I'm in two minds on this. I tend to refer to the entire setting as Middle-earth, as it is a convenient and well-known term for it. Most people won't know about Arda or Eä. However when giving specifics inside the articles of course use the right terms. Uthanc's idea is a good one in my opinion. Use

3679:

My concern with this idea is that it goes against how Tolkien and his son Christopher referred to the legendarium (as noted by Carcaroth above). Indeed, the History of Middle-Earth series would quite contradict this usage if merely by the series' title. Do we really need to do this, when the author

3506:

It seems like a minor technicality, but I've brought this to attention because the general audience (along with A) people who have only read LotR and TH, and B) people who've only watched Peter Jackson's films) now believe Middle-earth as the one place where every single event played in the history

3018:

I can't, and don't want to, get "stuff off the DVDs", but if you point me to a website with suitable pictures, I might consider uploading some pictures if you tell me which ones you want. I can also explain the process, if that will help. I'm guessing though that you can do website stuff, and it is

2730:

Nice list. I agree with most of your assessments here, though I haven't had time to compare them to my list yet. I've just finished going through all the Tolkien/ME articles (browsing through the categories), assigning importance ratings to all the articles I think are "top" and "high", and most of

1453:

in the book — being mentioned doesn't count. If they are crucial in a story in which they are mentioned in, then that can be talked about in the introduction. Also, we should put the seperate titles because not all characters appear in all three books. For example, Arwen is only in the first and

4415:

would hold the copyright. Probably the closest you could get to it would be a fair-use rationale in an article about Tolkien's art, or the cover of one of the books on Tolkien's art, used to illustrate an article on the book, again fair use. Other than that, an external link would be the next best

2278:

for what I am proposing. Another thought is that it might be helpful to clearly distinguish the Middle-earth stuff from the non-Middle-earth stuff. There is a fair amount of cross-over, but there are clearly articles that are purely Middle-earth, and some which are nothing to do with Middle-earth,

909:

I think there should be a consistency of family tree styles for Tolkien articles. The problem with having family tree templates within character articles is because I feel it takes up needless and redundant space. Long article sizes covering fictional material is discouraged in Knowledge because

263:

Hello! Noob here, although I have been cutting my wiki-code teeth on , a wiki for EverQuest 2 information. I am a programmer by trade and Tolkien enthusuast since I was 11 (a LONG time ago). My uncle, who introduced me to Tolkien by reading the Hobbit to me a few pages at a time a bedtime when he

4378:

Agreed. Those fan arts should be deleted — the only reason why Jenny Dolfen's and Anke Eißmann's arts are allowed is because in reality, both of them are professional artists and not only because they are allowed to sell prints related to Tolkien's legendarium, but also because both of them have

1036:

do have tags leading to their respective family trees. That seems a much better approach than sticking a family tree right in the middle of a character article. Then the trees can still be found by fans who are looking, but it doesn't clog up the articles for those who aren't. Plus, the graphical

862:

I wasn't really sure of the official titles — from what Wwoods had said, it seemed that fixed pitch font was referring to the plainer style and from earlier discussions, ASCII art was referring to the graphical style. If you know I'm wrong, Uthanc, please feel free to edit the poll to its proper

3645:

My apologies for not replying sooner as well. Hmm, I pointed out the (mis)use of "Middle-earth" as a "fictional universe" some time ago... how about using "In J. R. R. Tolkien's legendarium" first, then using applicable terms? The Númenoreans sure don't belong in "the fictional world/universe of

3253:

are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please

2391:

and see if you agree or disagree with my assessments. I've not begun populating the "Low importance" category, as some of those need merging and sorting out. To change any assessment, go to the talk page and edit the ME-project template importance parameter. eg. {{ME-project|importance=top}} -:

333:

Again, this an old plan, but I'm bringing it up again because it's time it stirred from the dirt where it resided incomplete for quite a time. I think it would be better if we deleted the family trees templates. The only purpose in creating templates for the family trees in the first place was

2879:

Hang on. I think you are proposing to manually write out a list. The categories I linked to above are best populated by adding "top", "high", "mid", or "low" parameters to the ME-project template on the talk page of the project. I've been doing that instead of writing out a list, but anyone can

2322:

This is all aimed at editors, not readers, cos its on the talk page. But your point applies to editors as well. They should also know! :-) Any idea how to do the coding in the template to get the page types appearing there? The other thing is to get the template wording to change to "article or

4285:

Troy" was just wrong. I know that JRRT was influenced and inspired by fall of Troy (at least C.Tolkien suggested it...as far as I can remember) but he, as you say yourself, detested allegory (or metaphor) in such a sense that one thing is representing the other...metaphorically, like f.e. Orcs

550:

I disagree, I am partial to nav templates and I think they provide both a considerable amount of visual information as well as an easy way to navigate around. I don't think the space they fill up in an article is a negative. Particularly as long as the pages don't get too terribly clogged with

1599:

The article assessment bot has created some nice pages for us (after we created some manually to start the process). Now we need to get busy assessing the articles! Also, I think articles are added on the basis of whether they have the Wikiproject template on the talk page, so if you spot any

1031:

I agree that a family tree is not necessarily an important part of a main article about a character. Heritage does not often do much to give insight into who a person is, especially, as you said, as far as information for the general audience is concerned. However, family trees are a point of

2826:

So here's the plan I have in mind: After we compare out lists and discuss, we'll then begin to prioritize which articles we need to get into top shape first, and then we'll resort the articles by importance according to the priority to get those articles in WP:1.0. Sounds good?

895:

Okay, I've added more confusion... I support ASCII art within appropriate articles, keeping space considerations in mind. Graphical fixed-pitch templates are nice but they take up more space (depending on the character); maybe these can be used also, for main family tree pages.

3735:

articles already have "In J. R. R. Tolkien's legendarium". In agreement with Carcharoth with explaining with and without footnotes when "Middle-earth" is used in authorial/editorial quotes as a blanket term. People might get confused by "legendarium", however. To quote

511:

template, but I found that with the graphical style, I had to cut down on the family members, or else the family tree size would've taken up too much space. With the plainer style, I was able to fit all of them in (but the family tree is remains long as you can see).

2447:

from the talk page of that article. Another way is to put them as class=stub, or class=start, or class=NA. That way they definitely won't get on the CD. This way we can still keep track of the articles while deciding whether to bin them or merge them or whatever.

4689:, please put in non-breaking spaces, as in ] (use edit to see the correct formatting for the nbsp bits) - though this is maybe being a bit pedantic. For more redirects, which hopefully can be organised into a subcategory of spelling and typographic mistakes, see 4580:

set a new record for number of edits while featured, so we should aim to have the Tolkien article looking nice, and be ready for the exposure this article will get. Also, if there are any changes needed to the introduction that will appear on the front page (see

824:

Even though the fixed-pitch font does seem more traditional, I think the ASCII art style makes it clearer and easier for someone viewing the page to understand visually. It just makes everything neater, in my opinion. In a way, it appears more formal-looking.

2289:

I'm fine with making a distinction between different page types, but I'm rather unsure about the necessity of having "Middle-earth" and "Tolkien" parameters. I'm sure if the reader reads the subject of the article, they will (or at least they should) know.

455:

Actually, i think I missed my point completely. Whatever nonsense came out of that comment I do apologize for, I believe it was either incredibly late or just the opposite. Of course Half-Elven is important. Good job catching the oops there Mirlen. -

4442:

article, with a fair-use rationale of illustrating the impact he has had on wider culture. ie. enough to get stamps issued. There are places around here to check image use (which is a complex business). Could someone ask about this there? Somewhere like

2920:. Please feel free to reorganise the page so we can see where the differences are in our lists. I'll try and change mine so it is sorted like your list, but that will take time. We should probably move discussion there, and leave a prominent link here. 3689:

You have my support. In fact I must say this is identical with how I viewed it anyway so obviously I can only support this. I also however agree with Carcharoth, we need links to explain the problem to those who are not so familiar with whole J.R.R's

334:

because the templates would be posted on respective character articles, but I see that as unnecessary space use since it would be easier and more cleaner to have a link of the family (where it would have the family tree) article. For an example, the

3655:

Well yes and no. Numenoreans did had numerous colonies in Middle-earth and came back to ME later fleeing the downfall...as you well know it, so it would not be so wrong to say they belong in "the fictional world/universe of Middle-earth". ;:)

1914:. Briefly reading your last comment on the discussion (I'll read the full discussion later), Carcharoth, I agree with you that category template should be placed on talk pages on categories. I'm going to place the category template on the 4479:! Tolkien depicted him as a guy with literally black skin (or was it armor?) and red eyes, stretching his arm out. However, uploading to and linking to scans of pages isn't allowed here, I think. Anyway, I can't find the site again (sigh). 4429:. I'd assume that the Royal Mail had permission to use the pictures. I consider these very useful since they show that a lot of things very depicted by Tolkien far less over-the-top as by other fantasy artists such as, for example, Howe. -- 3805:? I think it's a given that the current title would attract more readers. Not that I assume to know whether or CT approved of the title, my point was merely that we don't know if he personally approved that usage in the series or not. — 158:

Hey everyone! Sorry I was gone for a little bit there. I was getting started with school and all that comes with it so things were kind of chaotic. I hope I will be able to participate in things more now that my school has settled down.

237:

I'm around. Haven't been as busy as I'd hoped I'd be, but I have been planning on doing some edits to the Tom Bombadil article to make it a bit less fancruft-ridden. I also might do a little bit of work on Faramir, we'll have to see.

2934:

Thus far, it only appears we have an animatic of Sauron for illustration of what went on during production of the trilogy. I request respectfully off anyone on WP:ME to upload any of the following, possibly from the DVDs or elsewhere:

1612:. That last one shows only 7 of 1023 articles have been assessed (though some of those 1023 articles might be redirects that still have templates on their talk pages). The activity of people adding and changing assessments can be seen 578:: If you can manage to fit the members of House of Húrin in ASCII format without taking a considerable amount of space in the article, mark me impressed and ship me off to...favorably Italy, though I suppose that wouldn't be possible. 3264:

Hmm. We only appear in the first two directories. Not sure why link to those other directories were provided. Strange. Anyway, someone should update our entires there. I'll try and do it tomorrow, unless someone gets there first.

2881: 1609: 4585:), we should agree on them and get an admin to change the text. I have two minor changes to suggest: (1) change the first reference to Oxford to say "Oxford University"; (2) ensure the C. S. Lewis bit doesn't break across lines. 452:(Beren), of Thingol and Melian: Lúthien, Eärendil, Galadriel, Celeborn, Elrond, Elros, Aragorn, Arwen, etc. (There would be overlaps with the Half-eleven with the aforementioned houses.) Or have I missed your point completely? 1454:

third book while Faramir and Eowyn are in the last two. Beregond only makes an appearance in the third book while Damrod (man) only makes an apperance in the second book. I think accuracy is the best best we should go for. —

951:

If family trees are of importance, then why do most articles concerning living people (which are given more priority and importance over articles covering fictional people), especially those of prominent family lines such as

863:

terms. And by your last statement when you mentioned that you'd support ASCII, do you mean by the the font version or the graphical version? (Also, everyone, you don't have to type and bold your name before your comments.) —

264:

was visiting one summer) and I used to write all our letters to each other using the Tengwar alphabet :) True geek stuff here. Looking forward to contributing. I am FINALLY reading the Book of Lost Tales right now... --

1892:

I agree that the labelling of the category and template pages using this template should be undone. Use separate templates to label them, though remember that this will probably duplicate work already done in populating

1448:

Well, Carcharoth has made categories of 'Characters in The Lord of the Rings' or 'Characters in The Silmarillion' or 'Characters in The Hobbit', which was what I had the Book(s) field based on. Characters that make an

3975:

of Ea. Overall I think that's probably the best option... it leaves in the 'Middle-earth' which is the commonly understood term, but pairs it with legendarium and can then be linked to explain exactly what this means.

940:

To what extent of importance does a family tree within a character article play? Does it match the level of importance with the information regarding appearances, characteristics, and the concept and creation of a

3435:(more for easy-of-use than specific accuracy from what I can tell) to cover the Tolkien's fictional universe. However, the phrase used in that context is misleading and oversimplifies the truth of his legendarium. 1613: 4771:

heh, no, the underscoring should not have been there, it was a cut and paste. :) better? As far as I know, Arkenstone is his real name, or as real as any performers name is. He has several albums. check it out.

1306:

page, and not to mention it looks a whole lot nicer than the ASCII art. Anyone else here in favor of the style on the William I to Elizabeth II family tree (it also matches the color of the infoboxes as well)?

2885: 2755: 3337:

I asked that question, didn't I? I suppose I could answer it and you could post an answer at the help desk for me to read... :-) I was really asking about whether the "&euml" bit was needed. The redirect

410:

I don't have a strong opinion about putting trees directly on pages or pushing them off onto template pages. The latter takes one more step to create but it gives the option of including the tree on multiple

383:

I agree, however one of the drawbacks would be to the family tree pages that are largely pahges with no articles of their own. Halfelven and the like would be very rarely linked to, or am I babbling here? -

2685:

What does everyone else think? Anything they want to add or omit? We should probably shorten this list for WP:1.0 though. I don't think we could get all the articles above in high quality some time soon.

4286:

actaully being Nazis, etc. Of course that he like all writers used meaphors in that sense present in the quoted passages. Bah...hope you understand what I am trying to say here...I am a bit foggy today...--

1196:

also has a smaller-boxed tree. Fixed-pitch looks fancier, but ASCII is more compact. Looks versus conciseness... Argh, I'm actually undecided now, as the trees should generally be on separate pages anyway.

440:: The articles for families may be just stubs as of now, but stubs can be expanded. And the Half-elven would be every much linked to — look at all the prominent characters that came out of that line! The 1601: 4680:

take care to verify that the links are pointing at the film, book, radio, board game, musical or whatever, and not just to the book. Also, don't forget to italicise where appropriate. And when changing

3071:

I think it'd be good if you sent me a message Carcharoth about how to upload images from sites. But in the meantime, this image would be very cool for the trilogy article on the Screenplays section:

1414:

You're right, they don't make an appearance themselves, since they're all dead by the point LOTR starts. Elrond and co. only talk about them. I'll just add "mentioned only". But they also appear in

3794:. It was his publishers who changed it to RotK because they thought it would prove to give more profit. By which title of the HoME series would attract customers more, by the current title, 2783:

I think the long list is just a compilation of articles sorted by quality, none of those articles on the list are guaranteed of being in WP:1.0 unless they are in the list I linked to earlier.

175:

I'm quite sure I don't have any time until the end of the year, so I unsubscribe from this WikiProject. I will keep it on my watchlist however, and hope to be of a little more help next year.

1897:. I never categorised the categories, as that is just silly (a list would be nice). Actually, the template categorises the talk page, so that is OK! Discussion has also been taking place at 1206:

I'm rather undecided now, too, although I voted for the fixed-pitch tree before... It all comes down to whether appearance or compactness is more important. Personally, I still vote for the

2917: 1422:

I haven't added "mentioned only" yet... Should we note that this character is only mentioned and doesn't appear himself story-internally? Because he does, externally. And should we use

3105:

Thanks. Lots of the fair use images are already wiki-links, and there is a note at the top telling people not to put fair use images in galleries. Guess a few must have been missed.

4148:, we sometimes have to choose between "verified truth or common perceptions that can be slightly misleading" - as also evident from the above. Another popular misconception is that 1809:. I also created the classes Cat and Template on the template per a request by another user. Your formating is weird, so you have to edit it so that it doesn't ask for importance. 169:

Still busy in real life, study etc. I will be watching the polls and discussions, and probably do some very minor fixes if I come across them. I do however not plan any big edits.

4627:" redirects in articles and article talk pages (no need for personal pages). But there's still a lot to be done. Does anyone know a automated bot or something that can fix these? 4582: 4540: 2958:

A diagram of the streamlining of the story from the novel and the three films, in terms of the three volumes and parts being put into different films, as well as what went out.

1639:

By Knowledge assessment, but if there is a need, we will make the criteria for quality and importance scale more specialized for Tolkien articles. For WP:Me assessment, click

1117:

And participation doesn't ever hurt this WP, so whether or not you're a newbie doesn't matter so much as long as you've read the general policies and guideliness of Knowledge.

3288:

to make mistakes. I really don't want to tell you the number of mistakes I've already made and corrected on it myself, but I think I've more or less got the hang of it now.

2892:

my list! It will change as more people join in and start assessing articles for quality and importance, and changing my assessments, but I can link to a permanent version

1494:

appear throughout the story—Aragorn, Frodo, Gandalf, etc.—is there a need to list the three book titles? When I was updating the infoboxes, that was the standard I used:

680:) should be used for family trees. Arguments for both styles can be read above. As a participant of WP:Me, please vote and add your opinion to the respective sections. 4204: 498: 109:

article is making wonderful progress. The template decisions are helping and the new cannon template adds a few touches of sophistication to the articles I think. -

4891: 4881: 4867: 4051:, which should have a lowercase 'l'. Also, there is a book called "Tolkien's Legendarium", so that can go there, with a hatnote pointing to the 'legendarium' article. 2880:

change these assessments if they disagree. One advantage of using these parameters and categories to keep track of everything is that a bot runs daily and updates the

4015:

fictional world of Middle-earth and the Undying Lands (collectively named Arda)") — does anyone have an instance in which the Professor uses the exact phrase term? —

3355:

I brought it here because I thought that this would be the group of people that knew whether or not it was needed. It's almost speediable per R3, implausable typo. -

2666:— the One Ring, Nine Rings, Three Rings, Silmarils, Narsil/Anduril (?), Palantirs (?), Mirror of Galadriel (?), Red Book of Westmarch, Elfstone, Ring of Barahir (?) 1627: 4379:

been commisioned to create art for many recognized Tolkien organizations throughout. It'd be wonderful if we could upload some art by Tolkien. Anyone have any? —

4272:

extensively though, as in "a great cloud in the evening, shaped as it were an eagle" (Akallabeth) or "the shadow around it spread out like two vast wings" (LotR).

3636:(nice article to link to!). This would include Tolkien and Christopher Tolkien's own usages of ME as a blanket term, as well as others using it in the same sense. 3241:, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding 2751: 2458: 1271:

My 2 cents. I have done some genealogy work, and I must say that although the fixed-pitch tables look nice, they are NOT as easilt readable as the ASCII table. --

4171:

already exists and includes the article. If we do so, explanatory notes will have to be written on the category pages. Admittedly, this can be only confirmed in

4852: 2275: 4857: 4842: 4239: 3160: 2744: 2025:(which is the Western Branch of the Sindarin family, this branch is the one we usaully call "Sindarin". | Falathrin is another language present in the Etym.) 501:. I like the graphical style using ASCII art, but it takes too much space. I also experimented with the slicker style with the traditional style with the 4175:

and the guide for translators; the statement that "Hobbits are relatives of ours, closer than are Elves and Dwarves" in the prologue to LOTR is too vague.

3955:

Fine with the former plan myself for the same reasons. I may have been too hasty. ;) I guess we should wait a day or two, if you haven't added it already.

1894: 3708:. For anything taking place outside of Endor such as Valinor or Númenor, give information on its position relative to Middle-earth in the article itself. 3019:

the DVD stuff you can't do. Well, I can't do that either. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Nice work on the articles you've been working on, by the way.

2279:

but are still related to Tolkien. ie. Have "Middle-earth" and "Tolkien" parameters in the template? Would this work, or is the current set-up sufficient?

4910: 3185:. These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages: 3844:

An observation: This seems to be a discussion arguing "in" vs "of". These are lands "of" Middle-Earth, even if they may not be lands "in" Middle-Earth.

1822:

I don't know too much about the automatic categorizing, so I can't elaborate on it. The classes Cat and Template have seperate headers of their own.

1744:

for full details of the sections. The infobox has been retained, but the image has been removed (it is copyrighted and only allowed as fair use on the

4862: 4532: 3088: 2736: 2384: 1846:. I would lump categories and templates in one banner and article in another seperately. Perhaps we should move the Cat and Template classes to the 845:, fixed pitch)? The examples above seem interchanged, so I used these ones. The ASCII style looks tricky to type out; the template looks cleaner and " 3384:

Back at the help desk, someone else points out that there is no harm leaving it there. It's cheap and doesn't do any harm. I'll leave it alone then.

4471: 4145: 2740: 2732: 2388: 2380: 4341:(probably the two most famous fan-artists, and they sell prints). If they can stay at all, they may need to be properly tagged and re-uploaded. We 4837: 4631: 4624: 3275: 3182: 2332:

I have no idea, though tweaking with the template I've gained knowledge, but far cry from knowing how to work the coding in the template. It was

47: 17: 1640: 3507:

of Arda takes place and this has created confusion beyond mere knowledge and into genereal categorization and naming of articles and templates.

135:

Hoping to get started helping out here soon... Just gotta pick something on the to-do list and then find the time to work at it, I suppose. :) ~

4673: 2964:

Side-by-side photo of Hobbit's first and last day on Principal Photography: hiding under Nazgul and reaction of being bowed to at Minas Tirith.

4748:. I have owned this album for years. When I used to play EverQuest I would run this album as soundtrack and turn off the in-game music. :) -- 3741: 3219: 4637: 1605: 3923:

see the urgency in placing Middle-earth with the lead sentence and prefer to be consistent when starting off with a standardised phrase. —

3201: 3095:). I will replace these images with wikilinks if nobody does that in the near future. Just thought you needed to be informed. Cheers! -- 1748:

article). The navbox discussion wasn't going anywhere either, though I'd appreciate if someone could check to see what else was changed.

1077:

If we just link to the family trees, either format will do... but the ASCII art is more concise. But the trees are by themselves anyway.

3072: 1280:

With a little tweaking the fixed-pitch versions can be more legible than the ASCII tables even. Plus, they're a lot easier to maintain.

1239:: Somebody needs to fix the instructions of the poll to match the changes made to the two sections (fixed pitch and ASCII). I like the 948:(we Tolkien fans often forget that Knowledge is a general interest encyclopedia, not a Tolkien wiki) placed within a character article? 4832: 4817: 3225: 4643: 4115:

Well, that article is only a stub at the moment. Hopefully someone will get around to expanding it. I might or might not have time.

3250: 3246: 4536: 3918:

But before anyone does so, I just need some things to be cleared up. Are we leaving the "J. R. R. Tolkien's legendarium" alone and

1340: 1299: 1193: 779: 4354: 4251:

AFAIK Gondolin story was inspired by Troy but it did not meant to "represent Troy" literally, Tolkien hated metaphor like that. --

3837:

The trouble here is: whether or not the publisher chose the reference, or either Tolkien, it's the "most commonly used name" (See

3427:

We need to reach a consensus (or if there has been one, an updated consensus) on the general term use of Middle-earth. The term,

3316:. The question was is it really necessary? There is nothing in "what links here". It was created in 2004. Any need of it at all? - 4808: 4067: 3909:

I would've waited for more comments, but it seems that there is a majority who are willing for the plan, so I guess it's alright.

3242: 3008:

True, I just request people upload some of them due to my own limited technical expertise. I can write the Fair Use rationailes.

4690: 4425:

Since some of that art was used for postal stamps, it might be feasible to provide links to sites depicting those stamps. E.g.

3213: 338:

article has a family tree in its respective section (but no template is used), and characters belonging of that House, such as

3346:

is a disambiguation page. I guess my point is that no-one is going to type "Oss&euml", so I might put it up for deletion.

291:

I just joined this group last night and was wondering where am I needed most? Also, could someone look at the discussion for

4737: 4539:?) for clarity, adaptation-neutrality and to keep it within its parent categories. What do you say? Check out my proposal at 4238:, didn't you know! :-) (if you read the discussion, it seems the above page was linked from here at some point, specifically 3181:

is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing

1263: 3748:

think it's fairly obvious what legendarium means... How about "mythology"? The appropriateness of "mythology" was discussed

3195: 2443:

Oh. I thought they automatically excluded unassessed articles. The only way to remove stuff from that list is to remove the

3150:. Some interesting views on how to approach articles and where to draw the line on what to include, and how to include it. 4508: 4500: 4168: 3231: 3189: 3207: 73:

A lot of 'To dos', but regretably not so much of a progress. I will try to strike one off my list before October ends. —

3760:

Middle-earth..." (or "concerning Middle-earth") and if not dealing directly with ME, "In Tolkien's legendarium..." like

1384:

Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

626:

Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

4745: 4512: 4160: 3365: 3326: 3092: 2527:

Arwen (even though she plays a very little role in the books, she's quite significant in the films), Elrond, Galadriel

2457:

I'm not sure if they automatically exclude unassessed articles, especially if there up on the list, which is located

197:

Just watching my 'Watchlist' articles. Will probably work on one or two speific articles and concentrate on those. --

4141: 1705: 38: 2663: 2624:

Beleriand (we'll expand on different realms later), Ossiriand/Lindon, Eregion, Lothlórien, Rivendell, Mirkwood (?)

849:", but is much longer - but we'll be copy-pasting both anyway. Judging for space considerations I'd support ASCII 4516: 4164: 3274:

Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now moved the new draft in the old

4264:(the thing JRRT detested), but merely pointing out that others (not me) have made the comparisons. JRRT did use 3786:– you have a valid point; however, I saw the usage of Middle-earth more as a marketing tool than for accuracy. 3237:

and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at

313:

I'm here too, but I can't spend hours working on here. I can browse around and do boring grunt work if needed.

4776: 4766: 4752: 4723: 4697: 4654: 4608: 4599: 4589: 4560: 4547: 4483: 4464: 4451: 4433: 4420: 4406: 4371: 4290: 4276: 4255: 4246: 4226: 4216: 4188: 4179: 4119: 4110: 4042: 4001: 3980: 3959: 3950: 3904: 3893: 3851: 3832: 3790:

wasn't a title Tolkien preferred, he disliked the title and his original title for the third volume was to be

3768: 3721: 3694: 3684: 3669: 3660: 3650: 3640: 3625: 3417: 3388: 3379: 3370: 3350: 3331: 3292: 3282: 3269: 3258: 3167: 3154: 3131: 3118: 3109: 3099: 3077: 3063: 3023: 3012: 3002: 2987: 2924: 2900: 2854: 2762: 2713: 2452: 2438: 2397: 2363: 2327: 2317: 2283: 2257: 1953: 1905: 1887: 1813: 1789: 1752: 1730: 1712: 1698: 1670: 1634: 1620: 1584: 1510: 1481: 1442: 1371: 1351: 1334: 1293: 1275: 1215: 1201: 1176: 1081: 1014: 900: 890: 857: 829: 816: 775: 767: 750: 742: 734: 714: 662: 609: 555: 539: 477: 432: 405: 377: 317: 308: 299: 286: 277: 268: 258: 242: 232: 219: 201: 192: 179: 163: 153: 130: 100: 4426: 4365: 2731:

the "mid" ones. The rest are generally either "mid" or "low". I've ended up with (at the time of writing) 21

4847: 4457: 4338: 4212: 4080: 4048: 3990: 3361: 3322: 1392: 1212: 1055: 826: 731: 136: 4317:

articles have images of the characters, but they're fan art, and their artists don't ring a bell, unlike

4083:? If we do (with help from JRRT's text), we can decide on the correct terminology that should be used. — 3289: 3279: 3255: 4665: 4605: 4577: 4528: 4523:. I think the category should contain film soundtracks from the other films. Also, judging by the title 3977: 3749: 2135: 1774: 1690: 1679: 1553: 1303: 1240: 1207: 1189: 842: 724: 673: 441: 423: 283: 4350: 672:

There has been a question of debate in whether the traditional style which uses fixed-pitch font (e.g.

3238: 2998:

but if we can't use them, we can't use them, and we should concentrate on writing about those topics.

1535:: Only need to put LotR; no need to list the seperate titles out. For example, in Aragorn's page: In 4801: 4520: 4357:- this one has a erroneous blonde Fëanor (well, Howe did have a blonde Fingolfin fighting Morgoth... 4330: 4063: 4055: 1898: 1850: 1836: 1251: 239: 176: 170: 2993:

Those would all be copyrighted and only allowable under fair use, if at all. You would have to read

505: 445: 347: 2444: 2271: 2263: 1826: 1799: 1767: 1548: 805: 703: 466: 449: 415: 394: 119: 4438:

That's a good idea. In fact, I think it might even be OK to put that picture of the stamps on the

4430: 3309: 149:

School's starting in a few days (guess what level), so I might not be able to contribute as much.

3406: 3375:

Thanks. I'll wait a day or two to see if anyone disagrees, unless someone speedies it before me.

3278:

pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you.

2994: 1259: 911: 248: 4207:. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. 2336:

who added the assessment code so you're going to have to ask him about implementing the codes. —

4604:

I went ahead and made those changes. Can undo if there is dispute and/or make other updates. --

247:

I would like to assist in the research and development of the ME project in any way possible.

4773: 4749: 4713: 4669: 4661: 4208: 3711: 3410: 3356: 3317: 3178: 2333: 1918:

pages instead of the front, so if you want to join me in my little quest, feel free to do so!

1283: 1272: 814: 757: 739: 712: 552: 475: 403: 335: 265: 209: 128: 3091:. As you may know, images licensed under fair use can only be used in the article namespace ( 1992:

b) Common Eldarin. With the division of the CE branch, we have the Pre-record Quenya and the

1600:

articles without those, please add the template. Anyway, the nice pages I'm referring to are

582:(And your geography templates are absolutely wonderful. A big, valuable addition this WP.) — 563:: No problem, we all make mistakes (and I believe my brain went off to vacation without me). 4741: 4686: 4573: 4444: 4439: 4398: 4386: 4102: 4090: 4034: 4022: 3942: 3930: 3885: 3873: 3824: 3812: 3617: 3605: 3074: 3055: 3043: 3009: 2984: 2846: 2834: 2705: 2693: 2521:

The entire Fellowship (Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin, Gandalf, Aragorn, Boromir, Legolas, Gimli)

2430: 2418: 2355: 2343: 2309: 2297: 1945: 1933: 1879: 1867: 1782: 1662: 1650: 1576: 1564: 1536: 1473: 1461: 1326: 1314: 1168: 1156: 1006: 994: 882: 870: 654: 642: 601: 589: 531: 519: 369: 357: 314: 305: 92: 80: 4794: 4694: 4586: 4461: 4448: 4417: 4287: 4273: 4252: 4243: 4200: 4194: 4154: 4116: 4059: 3998: 3691: 3657: 3637: 3414: 3385: 3376: 3347: 3313: 3266: 3164: 3151: 3128: 3106: 3020: 2999: 2921: 2897: 2759: 2449: 2404: 2394: 2324: 2280: 1921: 1902: 1857: 1810: 1786: 1749: 1709: 1695: 1617: 274: 229: 3163:. We probably want to update this while not straying too far from what was decided then. 2323:

page", rather than just "article". It might be simpler to leave things the way they are!

1726:

is a confirmed sockpuppet of a blocked user. All of his edits are subject to reversion."

983:

Also, I agree with you that graphical fixed-pitch templates take up a lot of space (e.g.

414:

But are there opinions on whether trees should be done using fixed-pitch font, or using

4682: 4416:

thing, though we mustn't link to websites that don't have permission for the pictures.

4412: 4393: 4097: 4029: 3937: 3880: 3819: 3612: 3477: 3050: 2841: 2700: 2425: 2350: 2304: 1940: 1874: 1727: 1657: 1571: 1468: 1418:, but that purports to be a history, so they're also dead when the author is writing... 1321: 1181: 1163: 1110: 1001: 953: 915: 877: 649: 596: 526: 364: 255: 87: 1626:

Are we going to create critrea for the quality and importance scale, use the standard

228:

back to FA status on my list. That's me and Jc37 so far. Anyone else want to join us?

4904: 4717: 4702:

Edited your comment to show the nbsps. To show an entity, just replace the ampersand

3737: 3715: 3115: 3096: 2177: 2151: 1778: 1287: 1255: 1244: 1146: 965: 838: 761: 747: 687: 677: 419: 296: 224:

Still here. A bit distracted by non-Tolkien stuff at present, but still have getting

213: 160: 4786: 3989:

And I'm reminded again of the need for an article outlining what exactly the phrase

3665:

You're right, but you know what I mean... "Middle-earth" won't do in all instances.

292: 4672:

fixing needs to be careful to distinguish what the link should be pointing at. See

4620: 4524: 4334: 3838: 3633: 3473: 3432: 3302: 2254: 1832:

is used for articles (hence why the word article is included and not other words),

1438:? While the latter is less precise it'll help emphasize that LOTR isn't a trilogy. 810: 797: 708: 695: 471: 458: 399: 386: 225: 185: 124: 111: 2046: 1529:: List seperate books out, even if character in all three books (FotR, TTT, TRotK) 4345:

use more images, preferably by well-known artists, and even by Tolkien himself.

4281:

Understood. What I was saying (more like reaffirming) is that to state "Gondolin

1856:? (For the list of templates and what each function, I highly reccomend visiting 4763: 4651: 4596: 4557: 4544: 4480: 4381: 4368: 4326: 4223: 4185: 4176: 4085: 4017: 3994: 3956: 3925: 3901: 3868: 3807: 3753: 3666: 3647: 3600: 3038: 2952: 2829: 2688: 2461:. But definately labeling them as start or stub would remove them off the list. 2413: 2338: 2292: 2211: 1928: 1862: 1645: 1559: 1540: 1507: 1456: 1439: 1398: 1368: 1348: 1344: 1309: 1198: 1151: 1078: 989: 897: 865: 854: 772: 637: 584: 514: 429: 352: 150: 144: 75: 46:

If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

4361:

would be a nice image, except for the hair, but I guess we could point it out).

3032:

Per Carcharoth, especially with the work with the efforts made towards turning

1054:

Forgive me if I am a little forward for someone brand new to this project. :( ~

282:

Here and doing watchlist stuff, but alot of other things going on right now. --

4759: 3765: 3489: 3147: 2225: 1631: 846: 426:.) The latter seems a bit slicker, but it makes for a rather low-density page. 198: 4531:

song cycle should be here, though its not film-related. It should be renamed

4318: 3848: 3681: 3453: 3222:, (note: This page will be retitled to more accurately reflect its contents) 2939: 1683: 957: 189: 4310: 3728: 2805:

his life, that I wonder if we could even expand his article on that at all.

2754:

is only 2 articles. I thought you were referring to the long list starting

2553:

Manwë, Melkor (Morgoth), Varda (?), Mandos, Ulmo, Aulë, Yavanna, Tulkas (?)

4322: 4265: 4261: 4231: 3761: 3732: 3493: 3449: 2946: 2747:. I've included a lot more book articles. What do people feel about that? 2215: 2143: 1737: 1723: 676:) or the newer graphical style which uses templates with ASCII art (e.g. 339: 2652:

Races of Arda (Ainur, Elves, Men, Dwarves, Hobbits, Ents (?), Orcs (?))

4758:

Is "Arkenstone" his real name?! I wonder what it means. Tolkien had an

4314: 4269: 3847:

Anyway, can you more fully explain your table and it's intended use? -

2229: 2197: 1996:. The latter will differentiate in Common Nandorin and Common Telerin. 1745: 1033: 961: 905:

Oh no, you cleared up the fact that I had the terms mixed up. Thanks!

343: 106: 2758:. Maybe someone should contact them again, and see what is happening? 2393:{{ME-project|importance=high}} to change from top to high importance. 1966:

The Language Tree should be renovated in the structure of the Project.

937:

But the main questions that we need to answer when evaluting include:

4476: 4149: 3680:

himself did not? (Perhaps I am misunderstanding the intent above?) -

2187: 2173: 2163: 2125: 2083: 2079: 1523:

But wouldn't it be best to be consistent? Or rather, how about this?

1185: 984: 342:, have a link to the House of Finwë article. This goes the same for 4203:

is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found

4155:

See - Were Hobbits a sub-group of Humans? from The Tolkien Meta-FAQ

3464: 3445: 2207: 2069: 4676:

for a list of possibilities. Fixing dabs can be done by AWB, but

3859:

And now for the proposal that seems to be in general approval...

1704:

The article got a lot of exposure. Some discussion about this is

551:

templates--like I have done with my new geography templates. :-)

4235: 3483: 3460: 3339: 1378:

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.

620:

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal.

254:

Still here, just been a little bogged down with school and all.

4790: 4511:

is used for music for the Jackson films. It's a subcategory of

206:

Busy, but present. Not currently planning a "special project".

4595:

Vandal-watching, eh? I wasn't even online on Oct. 5, tsk tsk.

2547:

Prominent characters in The Silmarillion not mentioned above:

2270:

I'm wondering if it would help to add some more parameters to

2246:

And should be included somewhere Doriathrin and Falathrin, as

1109:: Agreed. Also, don't worry about being "a little forward" — 1032:

interest for a lot of Middle-earth fans, and articles such as

25: 944:

Is it the sort of information that is absoutely needed for a

2474:

So here are topics that I feel like should get in to WP:1.0:

1736:

Thanks. Following that message, the two sections started by

1302:

article. It's smaller and more concise than the one on the

837:

Isn't the ASCII style the non-template/fixed pitch version (

2888:. You said you would love to see my list. Well, that page 4515:, which contains all other Tolkien-related music, and of 1989:(and possibile if we want to insert it, Quenya 3rd Age). 1339:

In favor of fixed-pitch now; namely the smaller boxes of

497:: Yup, this issue was discussed months ago back in March 3220:

User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory/United States

3124: 2893: 2099:(daily tongue of the Vanyar: closest to archaic Quenya) 2018:(Doriathrin is another language devised before the 40s) 1741: 4260:

Oh, don't get me wrong, I wasn't suggesting it was an

4541:

Knowledge:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 4

3706:

In J. R. R. Tolkien's fictional Middle-earth setting…

2983:

I'll request some more if anyone uploads any. Thanks.

2575:

Beren, Lúthien, Thingol, Melian (?), Elwing, Eärendil

4762:

too... ;) And what's with the underscoring? Thanks.

4329:(probably the most well-known Tolkien artists), the 3202:

User:Badbilltucker/Philosophy and religion Directory

1149:

style (which I now understand it to be ASCII art)? —

4825: 2403:I highly encourage to have discussions over at the 795:I like the way it looks, hokey as that may sound - 4047:I'll try and look something up. I also discovered 1973:a) Quenya. There's should be a difference between 1763:Just so you guys know, I'm working on adding your 4458:Wikipedia_talk:Fair_use#Fair_use_of_stamps_images 3773:Just to get back to the ME/Ea/Arda/Aman issue... 3742:we can either be correct, or we can be understood 968:, don't have family trees within his/her article? 304:I'm here, but continue to lurk in the shadows. -- 4079:So do we all agree with the definition given on 3439:Breakdown of geography of Tolkien's legendarium: 3226:User:Badbilltucker/History and society directory 2967:Dom Monaghan and Billy Boyd on Treebeard puppet. 2660:Important objects that played a role in history 2515:All the characters listed in the LotR template: 273:Still around, but kind of tied up these days. -- 69:Sign your name below and comments are optional. 4140:As Mirlen writes in a discussion about whether 2949:'s Minas Tirith painting and the finished film. 4576:is due to go on the Main Page on 15 November. 3841:). In general, these are "Middle-Earth works". 3308:We just had a question on the help desk about 2884:page here. The same bot also updates the list 2274:to distinguish between page types? Please see 1977:(as sucessfully examined by HF) that leads to 4802: 4537:Category:Music of The Lord of the Rings films 4355:Image:Guisadong gulays Feanor and Gothmog.jpg 2595:Wars of Beleriand (and all its major battles) 2276:Knowledge:WikiProject Middle-earth/Assessment 1781:because they are all within your scope. Also 1341:Direct descent from William I to Elizabeth II 1300:Direct descent from William I to Elizabeth II 1194:Direct descent from William I to Elizabeth II 780:Direct descent from William I to Elizabeth II 8: 4163:from the article? Should we replace it with 4153:as apples and oranges, according to Bilbo). 3161:Knowledge:Deletion_policy/Middle-earth_items 2609:Places (we'll start with the realms first): 1247:style (in my opinion) looks kind of sloppy. 1184:does have a fixed-pitch tree. Note, though, 295:? Thanks. I can't wait to get started. -- 3900:Can we put this on the Standards page now? 2630:Gondor, Rohan, Númenor, Harad, Ithilien (?) 2604:War of the Ring (and all its major battles) 1895:Category:WikiProject Middle-earth templates 4809: 4795: 4787: 4718: 3744:. Of course, they can click the link, but 3716: 2979:Comparison of old and finished Witch-king. 1288: 1243:style better because it looks neater. The 1211:which I don't think it should be, anyway. 762: 214: 4711: 4533:Category:The Lord of the Rings film music 3709: 3214:User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory 3089:Knowledge:WikiProject Middle-earth/Images 3083:Knowledge:WikiProject Middle-earth/Images 2385:Category:High-importance_Tolkien_articles 1281: 1188:'s fixed-pitch tree is more compact than 778:- Boxes should be smaller, like those in 755: 207: 4472:J. R. R. Tolkien: Artist and Illustrator 4146:Category:Novel series navigational boxes 3509: 2389:Category:Mid-importance_Tolkien_articles 2381:Category:Top-importance_Tolkien_articles 3780:– I 100% agree with what you have said. 3183:Knowledge:WikiProject Council/Directory 3142:Boundaries of project - old discussions 2524:Sauron, Saruman, Wormtongue, Witch-king 1557:... — or something along those lines. — 18:Knowledge talk:WikiProject Middle-earth 4674:The Lord of the Rings (disambiguation) 3196:User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory 2 3114:Ehem, that includes user pages :-) -- 2750:About the CD. The list you pointed to 2618:Khazad-dûm/Moria, Belegost (?), Erebor 2558:Finwë, Fëanor, Fingolfin, Finarfin (?) 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 4569:Date for your diaries - 15 November!! 3405:Though others might be interested in 3087:I have found some fair use images in 2500:Adaptations of The Lord of the Rings 1740:have been removed - see page version 1630:, or just go by our own judgement? -- 1347:says. (Fixed question switcharound.) 7: 4509:Category:The Lord of the Rings music 4501:Category:The Lord of the Rings music 3232:User:Badbilltucker/Science directory 3190:User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory 2973:Pre-viz shot of Minas Tirith battle. 631:The result of the debate was to use 184:Are we going to get back to getting 3208:User:Badbilltucker/Sports Directory 2745:Unknown-importance Tolkien articles 2564:Maedhros, Maglor, Celegorm, Curufin 1985:. The latter will lead also to the 1694:and keep the article looking good. 1363:Apparently the poll is in favor of 4615:(Irritating) redirects-to-fix list 3702:In J. R. R. Tolkien's legendarium… 2612:Aman (Valinor, Tirion, Alqualondë) 2503:The Lord of the Rings film trilogy 2138:— some were influenced by Avarin) 1367:. We need to work on those trees. 1298:I really like the style that's on 1113:is one of Knowledge's guidelines. 24: 4911:WikiProject Middle-earth subpages 4469:I once saw a scan of a page from 4411:Art by Tolkien. Interesting. The 3801:, or by the more accurate title, 2114:the "Elven Latin" of Middle-earth 2060:(some later merged with Nandorin) 65:Roll call: October – Mid-November 3159:Found another old discussion at 2930:Films - Behind the scenes images 2737:High-importance_Tolkien_articles 1983:Quenya Noldorin (Classic Quenya) 29: 4691:Category:Middle-earth redirects 4634:- It's not "Lord of the Flies"! 3752:. I'm fine with "legendarium". 3577:...fictional world/universe of 3557:...fictional world/universe of 3342:would be more appropriate, but 2961:Peter Jackson reading the book. 2741:Mid-importance_Tolkien_articles 2733:Top-importance_Tolkien_articles 2655:Lists of people of that species 2497:The History of Middle-earth (?) 2162:(the early language of all the 2124:(the early language of all the 2068:(the early language of all the 4738:Music Inspired by Middle Earth 4222:Eh? Why put this notice here? 4169:Category: Middle-earth Hobbits 3997:is embarassing at the moment. 2569:Fingon, Turgon, Idril, Maeglin 2011::b)South Sindarin Branch : --> 1015:23:32, 30 September 2006 (UTC) 901:22:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC) 891:15:35, 30 September 2006 (UTC) 858:03:34, 30 September 2006 (UTC) 830:21:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC) 817:10:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC) 735:21:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC) 715:10:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC) 663:17:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC) 610:02:41, 28 September 2006 (UTC) 556:02:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC) 540:04:03, 26 September 2006 (UTC) 478:15:28, 27 September 2006 (UTC) 433:23:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC) 406:17:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC) 378:00:28, 25 September 2006 (UTC) 1: 4777:21:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC) 4767:12:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC) 4753:12:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC) 4561:05:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC) 4475:online, showing a drawing of 4189:09:39, 10 November 2006 (UTC) 4120:21:29, 15 November 2006 (UTC) 4111:22:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC) 4043:16:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC) 2007:a)North Sindarin Branch : --> 1773:to all the articles found in 1595:More article assessment stuff 1551:who played a crucial role in 4732:David Arkenstone album added 4724:07:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC) 4698:13:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC) 4655:12:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC) 4609:13:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC) 4600:06:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC) 4590:01:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC) 4548:15:11, 5 November 2006 (UTC) 4513:Category: Middle-earth music 4484:03:32, 5 November 2006 (UTC) 4465:01:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC) 4452:01:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC) 4434:22:54, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 4421:22:40, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 4407:22:26, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 4372:15:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 4291:17:46, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 4277:13:27, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 4256:12:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 4247:08:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 4227:07:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 4217:17:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC) 4180:03:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC) 4002:16:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC) 3981:15:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC) 3960:04:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC) 3951:03:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC) 3905:03:17, 5 November 2006 (UTC) 3894:22:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 3852:10:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC) 3833:22:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 3769:16:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 3722:13:29, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 3695:12:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 3685:07:20, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 3670:14:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 3661:12:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 3651:06:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 3641:05:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC) 3626:03:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC) 3486:a.k.a. The Undying Lands (?) 3418:23:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC) 3389:09:49, 24 October 2006 (UTC) 3380:09:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC) 3371:03:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC) 3351:01:14, 24 October 2006 (UTC) 3332:23:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC) 3293:16:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC) 3283:14:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC) 3270:01:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC) 3259:22:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC) 3168:11:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC) 3155:00:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC) 3132:00:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC) 3119:00:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC) 3110:00:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC) 3100:00:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC) 3078:18:00, 28 October 2006 (UTC) 3064:04:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC) 3024:21:04, 24 October 2006 (UTC) 3013:20:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC) 3003:11:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC) 2988:14:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC) 2925:23:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC) 2901:22:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC) 2855:12:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC) 2763:02:15, 22 October 2006 (UTC) 2714:01:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC) 2664:List of Middle-earth objects 2561:Sons of Fëanor, Celebrimbor 2453:00:08, 22 October 2006 (UTC) 2439:23:59, 21 October 2006 (UTC) 2398:21:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC) 2364:01:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC) 2328:00:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC) 2318:23:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC) 2284:21:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC) 2258:10:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC) 1954:04:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC) 1906:11:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC) 1888:03:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC) 1814:02:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC) 1753:21:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC) 1731:19:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC) 1372:15:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC) 1352:12:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC) 1335:05:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC) 1294:14:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC) 776:12:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC) 768:14:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC) 444:(Fingolfin, Turgon, Idril), 318:19:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC) 309:23:06, 7 November 2006 (UTC) 300:21:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC) 287:11:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC) 278:16:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC) 180:10:41, 1 November 2006 (UTC) 154:04:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC) 147:08:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC) 4746:Category:Middle-earth music 4161:Category:Middle-earth races 4136:Another point of inaccuracy 3146:Found an old discussion at 2942:analyzing Gondorian armour. 2598:War of the Elves and Sauron 1790:15:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC) 1713:09:21, 6 October 2006 (UTC) 1699:02:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC) 1671:02:15, 5 October 2006 (UTC) 1635:01:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC) 1621:10:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC) 1585:19:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC) 1511:15:33, 1 October 2006 (UTC) 1482:15:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC) 1443:13:33, 1 October 2006 (UTC) 1276:22:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC) 1216:11:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC) 1202:13:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC) 1177:15:09, 1 October 2006 (UTC) 1082:13:33, 1 October 2006 (UTC) 751:16:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC) 743:23:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC) 269:22:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC) 259:22:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC) 243:15:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC) 233:10:43, 3 October 2006 (UTC) 220:07:30, 3 October 2006 (UTC) 202:23:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC) 193:21:09, 2 October 2006 (UTC) 173:20:05, 2 October 2006 (UTC) 164:15:47, 2 October 2006 (UTC) 131:02:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC) 101:00:54, 1 October 2006 (UTC) 4927: 4165:Category: Middle-earth Men 4142:Template_talk:Middle-earth 2589:Great Journey of the Elves 2045:(language of the Elves in 1424:The Fellowship of the Ring 139:8:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC) 4517:Category:Film soundtracks 4184:I went ahead and did it. 3532:...fictional universe of 3525:...fictional universe of 2621:Angband, Mordor, Isengard 1979:Quenya Vanyarin (Quendya) 1111:be bold, but not reckless 851:within character articles 4818:WikiProject Middle-earth 4366:Image:Lord - Morgoth.jpg 2214:, more known simpler as 2206:(Western dialect of the 2166:who continue the March) 2058:Various Avarin languages 1970:With this distinctions: 1490:But for characters that 1381:Please do not modify it. 1145:: So you'd vote for the 623:Please do not modify it. 188:back up to FA status? - 4503:needs renaming/changing 3993:means. Just linking to 3344:hasn't been created yet 2955:wearing his "gimpsuit". 2485:Christopher Tolkien (?) 2374:Assessment (importance) 2104:Quenya Noldorin Classic 1999:c) Common Telerin : --> 3803:The History of Eä/Arda 3788:The Return of the King 3548:...fictional world of 3541:...fictional world of 3470:Fictional continents: 3411:what happened to Bilbo 2916:OK. I've made a start 2379:Please have a look at 2037:Dorathrin ≠ Doriathrim 1497:all three books -: --> 1432:The Return of the King 1420: 1408: 4706:with its own entity, 4666:The Lord of the Rings 4623:for wiping out all "" 4578:The Lord of the Rings 4535:(any other wording? 4529:The Road Goes Ever On 4081:Tolkien's legendarium 4049:Tolkien's Legendarium 3991:Tolkien's legendarium 3431:, has been used as a 3312:, which redirects to 3036:film trilogy as GA. — 3034:The Lord of the Rings 2530:Théoden, Éomer, Éowyn 2488:The Lord of the Rings 2172:(the language of the 2150:Original language of 2142:Original language of 2078:(the language of the 2033:Falathrin ≠ Falathrim 1775:Category:Middle-earth 1691:The Lord of the Rings 1680:The Lord of the Rings 1554:The Lord of the Rings 1436:The Lord of the Rings 1412: 1403: 1393:Template: Tolkienchar 1192:'s, due to box size. 1058:09:11, 1 October 2006 920:The Lord of the Rings 42:of past discussions. 4521:Category:Film scores 4331:Brothers Hildebrandt 4159:So should we remove 3444:Fictional universe: 3093:Fair use criteria #9 2976:Early Gollum design. 2743:, and about 1300 in 1899:User talk:Cbrown1023 1628:Knowledge assessment 1365:Fixed-pitch graphics 721:Fixed-pitch graphics 633:fixed-pitch graphics 4075:Thanks Carcharoth. 3792:The War of the Ring 3179:WikiProject Council 2633:The Shire, Bree (?) 2578:Túrin, Nienor, Tuor 2445:Template:ME-project 2272:Template:ME-project 2264:Template:ME-project 2144:Greenwood the Great 1818:Thanks Cbrown1023. 1549:fictional character 910:that is labeled as 843:Talk: House of Eorl 416:Template:Familytree 251:2:23 9 October 2006 4774:Bill W. Smith, Jr. 4750:Bill W. Smith, Jr. 4668:), and indeed the 4556:Category changed. 4351:Image:Feanor62.jpg 3409:and in particular 3301:Question From the 2995:Knowledge:Fair use 2601:Sinking of Númenor 2134:(languages of the 2043:Primitive Quendian 1920:*goes off to edit 1502:FR, TT, and/or RK. 1406:give any guidance. 1304:Talk:House of Eorl 1273:Bill W. Smith, Jr. 1241:Talk:House of Eorl 1208:Talk:House of Eorl 1190:Talk:House of Eorl 725:Talk:House of Eorl 674:Talk:House of Eorl 442:House of Fingolfin 424:Talk:House of Eorl 266:Bill W. Smith, Jr. 4876: 4875: 4670:Lord Of The Rings 4662:Lord of the Rings 4640:- Understandable. 4632:Lord of the Rings 4625:Lord Of the Rings 4072: 4058:comment added by 3646:Middle-earth"... 3595: 3594: 3459:Fictional world: 3369: 3330: 3173:Project Directory 2572:Finrod, Gil-galad 2533:Faramir, Denethor 2186:(language of the 1975:Pre-record Quenya 1759:ME-project banner 1501:one or two -: --> 1268: 1254:comment added by 105:I think that the 54: 53: 48:current talk page 4918: 4811: 4804: 4797: 4788: 4742:David Arkenstone 4722: 4720: 4687:J. R. R. Tolkien 4650:List more here. 4574:J. R. R. Tolkien 4445:Knowledge:Images 4440:J. R. R. Tolkien 4403: 4402: 4396: 4391: 4390: 4384: 4107: 4106: 4100: 4095: 4094: 4088: 4078: 4071: 4052: 4039: 4038: 4032: 4027: 4026: 4020: 3947: 3946: 3940: 3935: 3934: 3928: 3890: 3889: 3883: 3878: 3877: 3871: 3864:Uthanc/Jor/Ted87 3829: 3828: 3822: 3817: 3816: 3810: 3720: 3718: 3622: 3621: 3615: 3610: 3609: 3603: 3519:Specific phrases 3510: 3359: 3320: 3239:User:B2T2/Portal 3060: 3059: 3053: 3048: 3047: 3041: 2945:A comparison of 2851: 2850: 2844: 2839: 2838: 2832: 2710: 2709: 2703: 2698: 2697: 2691: 2641:Quenya, Sindarin 2592:First Kinslaying 2491:The Silmarillion 2482:J. R. R. Tolkien 2435: 2434: 2428: 2423: 2422: 2416: 2409:The Silmarillion 2360: 2359: 2353: 2348: 2347: 2341: 2314: 2313: 2307: 2302: 2301: 2295: 2176:who reached the 2031:Please note the 1950: 1949: 1943: 1938: 1937: 1931: 1913: 1884: 1883: 1877: 1872: 1871: 1865: 1855: 1849: 1841: 1835: 1831: 1825: 1821: 1804: 1798: 1783:Category:Tolkien 1772: 1766: 1719:Sections removed 1667: 1666: 1660: 1655: 1654: 1648: 1581: 1580: 1574: 1569: 1568: 1562: 1537:J. R. R. Tolkien 1478: 1477: 1471: 1466: 1465: 1459: 1416:The Silmarillion 1383: 1331: 1330: 1324: 1319: 1318: 1312: 1292: 1290: 1267: 1248: 1173: 1172: 1166: 1161: 1160: 1154: 1116: 1011: 1010: 1004: 999: 998: 992: 946:general audience 908: 887: 886: 880: 875: 874: 868: 822:Dragon of Cavel: 808: 803: 800: 766: 764: 706: 701: 698: 659: 658: 652: 647: 646: 640: 625: 606: 605: 599: 594: 593: 587: 581: 566: 536: 535: 529: 524: 523: 517: 510: 504: 469: 464: 461: 397: 392: 389: 374: 373: 367: 362: 361: 355: 329:Family templates 218: 216: 122: 117: 114: 97: 96: 90: 85: 84: 78: 33: 32: 26: 4926: 4925: 4921: 4920: 4919: 4917: 4916: 4915: 4901: 4900: 4896: 4877: 4872: 4838:Main discussion 4821: 4815: 4734: 4617: 4571: 4505: 4456:Left a note at 4400: 4399: 4394: 4388: 4387: 4382: 4307: 4201:Greek mythology 4198: 4195:Greek mythology 4138: 4104: 4103: 4098: 4092: 4091: 4086: 4076: 4053: 4036: 4035: 4030: 4024: 4023: 4018: 3944: 3943: 3938: 3932: 3931: 3926: 3887: 3886: 3881: 3875: 3874: 3869: 3826: 3825: 3820: 3814: 3813: 3808: 3796:The History of 3619: 3618: 3613: 3607: 3606: 3601: 3514:Blanket phrases 3425: 3403: 3306: 3175: 3144: 3085: 3057: 3056: 3051: 3045: 3044: 3039: 2932: 2848: 2847: 2842: 2836: 2835: 2830: 2707: 2706: 2701: 2695: 2694: 2689: 2581:Ar-Pharazôn (?) 2432: 2431: 2426: 2420: 2419: 2414: 2376: 2357: 2356: 2351: 2345: 2344: 2339: 2311: 2310: 2305: 2299: 2298: 2293: 2268: 2248:early languages 2122:Common Lindarin 1994:Common Lindarin 1968: 1947: 1946: 1941: 1935: 1934: 1929: 1925: 1911: 1881: 1880: 1875: 1869: 1868: 1863: 1853: 1847: 1839: 1833: 1829: 1823: 1819: 1802: 1796: 1770: 1764: 1761: 1721: 1688: 1664: 1663: 1658: 1652: 1651: 1646: 1597: 1578: 1577: 1572: 1566: 1565: 1560: 1475: 1474: 1469: 1463: 1462: 1457: 1401:asked me this: 1396: 1388: 1379: 1328: 1327: 1322: 1316: 1315: 1310: 1249: 1213:Dragon of Cavel 1170: 1169: 1164: 1158: 1157: 1152: 1114: 1107:Dragon of Cavel 1056:Dragon of Cavel 1008: 1007: 1002: 996: 995: 990: 954:Julio-Claudians 906: 884: 883: 878: 872: 871: 866: 827:Dragon of Cavel 806: 801: 798: 732:Dragon of Cavel 704: 699: 696: 670: 656: 655: 650: 644: 643: 638: 621: 603: 602: 597: 591: 590: 585: 579: 564: 533: 532: 527: 521: 520: 515: 508: 502: 467: 462: 459: 395: 390: 387: 371: 370: 365: 359: 358: 353: 331: 326: 240:Sighter Goliant 137:Dragon of Cavel 120: 115: 112: 94: 93: 88: 82: 81: 76: 67: 62: 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 4924: 4922: 4914: 4913: 4903: 4902: 4898: 4895: 4894: 4889: 4884: 4878: 4874: 4873: 4871: 4870: 4865: 4860: 4855: 4850: 4845: 4840: 4835: 4829: 4827: 4823: 4822: 4816: 4814: 4813: 4806: 4799: 4791: 4784: 4782: 4781: 4780: 4779: 4740:, an album by 4733: 4730: 4729: 4728: 4727: 4726: 4683:J.R.R. Tolkien 4648: 4647: 4641: 4638:J.R.R. Tolkien 4635: 4616: 4613: 4612: 4611: 4602: 4570: 4567: 4566: 4565: 4564: 4563: 4504: 4498: 4497: 4496: 4495: 4494: 4493: 4492: 4491: 4490: 4489: 4488: 4487: 4486: 4413:Tolkien Estate 4375: 4374: 4362: 4306: 4303: 4302: 4301: 4300: 4299: 4298: 4297: 4296: 4295: 4294: 4293: 4197: 4192: 4137: 4134: 4133: 4132: 4131: 4130: 4129: 4128: 4127: 4126: 4125: 4124: 4123: 4122: 4007: 4006: 4005: 4004: 3984: 3983: 3967: 3966: 3965: 3964: 3963: 3962: 3913: 3912: 3911: 3910: 3897: 3896: 3857: 3856: 3855: 3854: 3845: 3842: 3781: 3757: 3756: 3690:legendarium.-- 3677: 3676: 3675: 3674: 3673: 3672: 3643: 3593: 3592: 3581: 3574: 3573: 3562: 3554: 3553: 3546: 3538: 3537: 3530: 3522: 3521: 3516: 3504: 3503: 3502: 3501: 3500: 3499: 3498: 3497: 3487: 3481: 3478:Africa-Eurasia 3424: 3421: 3402: 3399: 3398: 3397: 3396: 3395: 3394: 3393: 3392: 3391: 3305: 3299: 3298: 3297: 3296: 3295: 3272: 3235: 3234: 3229: 3223: 3217: 3211: 3205: 3199: 3193: 3174: 3171: 3143: 3140: 3139: 3138: 3137: 3136: 3135: 3134: 3084: 3081: 3069: 3068: 3067: 3066: 3027: 3026: 3006: 3005: 2981: 2980: 2977: 2974: 2971: 2970:Scale doubles. 2968: 2965: 2962: 2959: 2956: 2950: 2943: 2931: 2928: 2914: 2913: 2912: 2911: 2910: 2909: 2908: 2907: 2906: 2905: 2904: 2903: 2866: 2865: 2864: 2863: 2862: 2861: 2860: 2859: 2858: 2857: 2815: 2814: 2813: 2812: 2811: 2810: 2809: 2808: 2807: 2806: 2793: 2792: 2791: 2790: 2789: 2788: 2787: 2786: 2785: 2784: 2772: 2771: 2770: 2769: 2768: 2767: 2766: 2765: 2748: 2721: 2720: 2719: 2718: 2717: 2716: 2678: 2677: 2676: 2675: 2674: 2673: 2672: 2671: 2670: 2669: 2668: 2667: 2658: 2657: 2656: 2647: 2646: 2645: 2642: 2636: 2635: 2634: 2631: 2628: 2627:Fangorn Forest 2625: 2622: 2619: 2616: 2613: 2607: 2606: 2605: 2602: 2599: 2596: 2593: 2590: 2584: 2583: 2582: 2579: 2576: 2573: 2570: 2567: 2566: 2565: 2559: 2556: 2555: 2554: 2545: 2544: 2543: 2540: 2537: 2534: 2531: 2528: 2525: 2522: 2519: 2508: 2507: 2506: 2505: 2504: 2498: 2495: 2492: 2489: 2486: 2483: 2475: 2467: 2466: 2465: 2464: 2463: 2462: 2375: 2372: 2371: 2370: 2369: 2368: 2367: 2366: 2267: 2261: 2244: 2243: 2242: 2241: 2240: 2239: 2238: 2237: 2236: 2235: 2234: 2233: 2222:North Sindarin 2219: 2201: 2181: 2170:Amanya Telerin 2160:Common Telerin 2157: 2156: 2155: 2147: 2119: 2118: 2117: 2116: 2115: 2100: 2091:Quenya Valarin 2066:Common Eldarin 2063: 2062: 2061: 2029: 2028: 2027: 2026: 2019: 1967: 1964: 1963: 1962: 1961: 1960: 1959: 1958: 1957: 1956: 1919: 1760: 1757: 1756: 1755: 1720: 1717: 1716: 1715: 1687: 1677: 1676: 1675: 1674: 1673: 1596: 1593: 1592: 1591: 1590: 1589: 1588: 1587: 1530: 1524: 1516: 1515: 1514: 1513: 1505: 1504: 1503: 1499: 1485: 1484: 1428:The Two Towers 1395: 1389: 1387: 1386: 1361: 1360: 1359: 1358: 1357: 1356: 1355: 1354: 1337: 1233: 1232: 1231: 1230: 1229: 1228: 1227: 1226: 1225: 1224: 1223: 1222: 1221: 1220: 1219: 1218: 1182:Kennedy family 1129: 1128: 1127: 1126: 1125: 1124: 1123: 1122: 1121: 1120: 1119: 1118: 1093: 1092: 1091: 1090: 1089: 1088: 1087: 1086: 1085: 1084: 1066: 1065: 1064: 1063: 1062: 1061: 1060: 1059: 1045: 1044: 1043: 1042: 1041: 1040: 1039: 1038: 1022: 1021: 1020: 1019: 1018: 1017: 976: 975: 974: 973: 972: 971: 970: 969: 949: 942: 930: 929: 928: 927: 926: 925: 924: 923: 832: 819: 784: 783: 770: 753: 745: 737: 718: 717: 669: 666: 629: 628: 616: 615: 614: 613: 612: 570: 569: 568: 567: 547: 546: 545: 544: 543: 542: 487: 486: 485: 484: 483: 482: 481: 480: 446:House of Hador 427: 412: 350:. Comments? — 348:House of Húrin 336:House of Finwë 330: 327: 325: 322: 321: 320: 311: 302: 289: 280: 271: 261: 252: 245: 235: 222: 204: 195: 182: 166: 156: 140: 133: 103: 66: 63: 61: 58: 56: 52: 51: 34: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 4923: 4912: 4909: 4908: 4906: 4899: 4893: 4890: 4888: 4885: 4883: 4880: 4879: 4869: 4868:Popular pages 4866: 4864: 4861: 4859: 4856: 4854: 4851: 4849: 4846: 4844: 4841: 4839: 4836: 4834: 4831: 4830: 4828: 4824: 4819: 4812: 4807: 4805: 4800: 4798: 4793: 4792: 4789: 4785: 4778: 4775: 4770: 4769: 4768: 4765: 4761: 4757: 4756: 4755: 4754: 4751: 4747: 4743: 4739: 4736:I have added 4731: 4725: 4721: 4715: 4709: 4705: 4701: 4700: 4699: 4696: 4692: 4688: 4684: 4679: 4675: 4671: 4667: 4663: 4659: 4658: 4657: 4656: 4653: 4645: 4642: 4639: 4636: 4633: 4630: 4629: 4628: 4626: 4622: 4614: 4610: 4607: 4603: 4601: 4598: 4594: 4593: 4592: 4591: 4588: 4584: 4579: 4575: 4568: 4562: 4559: 4555: 4554: 4553: 4552: 4551: 4550: 4549: 4546: 4542: 4538: 4534: 4530: 4526: 4522: 4518: 4514: 4510: 4502: 4499: 4485: 4482: 4478: 4474: 4473: 4468: 4467: 4466: 4463: 4459: 4455: 4454: 4453: 4450: 4446: 4441: 4437: 4436: 4435: 4432: 4428: 4424: 4423: 4422: 4419: 4414: 4410: 4409: 4408: 4405: 4404: 4397: 4392: 4385: 4377: 4376: 4373: 4370: 4367: 4363: 4360: 4356: 4352: 4348: 4347: 4346: 4344: 4340: 4336: 4332: 4328: 4324: 4320: 4316: 4312: 4309:At least the 4304: 4292: 4289: 4284: 4280: 4279: 4278: 4275: 4271: 4267: 4263: 4259: 4258: 4257: 4254: 4250: 4249: 4248: 4245: 4241: 4237: 4233: 4230: 4229: 4228: 4225: 4221: 4220: 4219: 4218: 4214: 4210: 4206: 4202: 4196: 4193: 4191: 4190: 4187: 4182: 4181: 4178: 4174: 4170: 4166: 4162: 4157: 4156: 4151: 4147: 4143: 4135: 4121: 4118: 4114: 4113: 4112: 4109: 4108: 4101: 4096: 4089: 4082: 4074: 4073: 4069: 4065: 4061: 4057: 4050: 4046: 4045: 4044: 4041: 4040: 4033: 4028: 4021: 4013: 4012: 4011: 4010: 4009: 4008: 4003: 4000: 3996: 3992: 3988: 3987: 3986: 3985: 3982: 3979: 3974: 3969: 3968: 3961: 3958: 3954: 3953: 3952: 3949: 3948: 3941: 3936: 3929: 3921: 3917: 3916: 3915: 3914: 3908: 3907: 3906: 3903: 3899: 3898: 3895: 3892: 3891: 3884: 3879: 3872: 3865: 3862: 3861: 3860: 3853: 3850: 3846: 3843: 3840: 3836: 3835: 3834: 3831: 3830: 3823: 3818: 3811: 3804: 3800: 3799: 3793: 3789: 3785: 3782: 3779: 3776: 3775: 3774: 3771: 3770: 3767: 3764:' article. -- 3763: 3755: 3751: 3747: 3743: 3739: 3738:User:Csernica 3734: 3730: 3727:At least the 3726: 3725: 3724: 3723: 3719: 3713: 3707: 3703: 3697: 3696: 3693: 3687: 3686: 3683: 3671: 3668: 3664: 3663: 3662: 3659: 3654: 3653: 3652: 3649: 3644: 3642: 3639: 3635: 3630: 3629: 3628: 3627: 3624: 3623: 3616: 3611: 3604: 3590: 3586: 3583:...fictional 3582: 3580: 3576: 3575: 3571: 3567: 3564:...fictional 3563: 3560: 3556: 3555: 3551: 3547: 3544: 3540: 3539: 3535: 3531: 3528: 3524: 3523: 3520: 3517: 3515: 3512: 3511: 3508: 3495: 3491: 3488: 3485: 3482: 3479: 3475: 3472: 3471: 3469: 3468: 3466: 3462: 3458: 3457: 3455: 3451: 3447: 3443: 3442: 3441: 3440: 3436: 3434: 3430: 3422: 3420: 3419: 3416: 3412: 3408: 3400: 3390: 3387: 3383: 3382: 3381: 3378: 3374: 3373: 3372: 3367: 3363: 3358: 3354: 3353: 3352: 3349: 3345: 3341: 3336: 3335: 3334: 3333: 3328: 3324: 3319: 3315: 3311: 3304: 3300: 3294: 3291: 3286: 3285: 3284: 3281: 3277: 3273: 3271: 3268: 3263: 3262: 3261: 3260: 3257: 3252: 3251:collaboration 3248: 3244: 3240: 3233: 3230: 3227: 3224: 3221: 3218: 3215: 3212: 3209: 3206: 3203: 3200: 3197: 3194: 3191: 3188: 3187: 3186: 3184: 3180: 3172: 3170: 3169: 3166: 3162: 3157: 3156: 3153: 3149: 3141: 3133: 3130: 3126: 3122: 3121: 3120: 3117: 3113: 3112: 3111: 3108: 3104: 3103: 3102: 3101: 3098: 3094: 3090: 3082: 3080: 3079: 3076: 3073: 3065: 3062: 3061: 3054: 3049: 3042: 3035: 3031: 3030: 3029: 3028: 3025: 3022: 3017: 3016: 3015: 3014: 3011: 3004: 3001: 2996: 2992: 2991: 2990: 2989: 2986: 2978: 2975: 2972: 2969: 2966: 2963: 2960: 2957: 2954: 2951: 2948: 2944: 2941: 2938: 2937: 2936: 2929: 2927: 2926: 2923: 2919: 2902: 2899: 2895: 2891: 2887: 2883: 2878: 2877: 2876: 2875: 2874: 2873: 2872: 2871: 2870: 2869: 2868: 2867: 2856: 2853: 2852: 2845: 2840: 2833: 2825: 2824: 2823: 2822: 2821: 2820: 2819: 2818: 2817: 2816: 2803: 2802: 2801: 2800: 2799: 2798: 2797: 2796: 2795: 2794: 2782: 2781: 2780: 2779: 2778: 2777: 2776: 2775: 2774: 2773: 2764: 2761: 2757: 2753: 2749: 2746: 2742: 2738: 2734: 2729: 2728: 2727: 2726: 2725: 2724: 2723: 2722: 2715: 2712: 2711: 2704: 2699: 2692: 2684: 2683: 2682: 2681: 2680: 2679: 2665: 2662: 2661: 2659: 2654: 2653: 2651: 2650: 2648: 2643: 2640: 2639: 2637: 2632: 2629: 2626: 2623: 2620: 2617: 2614: 2611: 2610: 2608: 2603: 2600: 2597: 2594: 2591: 2588: 2587: 2585: 2580: 2577: 2574: 2571: 2568: 2563: 2562: 2560: 2557: 2552: 2551: 2549: 2548: 2546: 2541: 2538: 2535: 2532: 2529: 2526: 2523: 2520: 2517: 2516: 2514: 2513: 2512: 2509: 2502: 2501: 2499: 2496: 2493: 2490: 2487: 2484: 2481: 2480: 2479: 2476: 2473: 2472: 2471: 2470: 2469: 2468: 2460: 2456: 2455: 2454: 2451: 2446: 2442: 2441: 2440: 2437: 2436: 2429: 2424: 2417: 2410: 2406: 2402: 2401: 2400: 2399: 2396: 2390: 2386: 2382: 2373: 2365: 2362: 2361: 2354: 2349: 2342: 2335: 2331: 2330: 2329: 2326: 2321: 2320: 2319: 2316: 2315: 2308: 2303: 2296: 2288: 2287: 2286: 2285: 2282: 2277: 2273: 2265: 2262: 2260: 2259: 2256: 2251: 2249: 2231: 2227: 2224:(dialects of 2223: 2220: 2217: 2213: 2209: 2205: 2202: 2199: 2195: 2192: 2191: 2189: 2185: 2182: 2179: 2178:Undying Lands 2175: 2171: 2168: 2167: 2165: 2161: 2158: 2154: 2153: 2148: 2146: 2145: 2140: 2139: 2137: 2133: 2130: 2129: 2127: 2123: 2120: 2113: 2112: 2111:Exilic Quenya 2108: 2107: 2106: 2105: 2101: 2098: 2096: 2092: 2088: 2087: 2085: 2081: 2077: 2074: 2073: 2071: 2067: 2064: 2059: 2056: 2055: 2054: 2051: 2050: 2048: 2044: 2041: 2040: 2039: 2038: 2034: 2024: 2020: 2017: 2013: 2012: 2010: 2006: 2005: 2004: 2002: 1997: 1995: 1990: 1988: 1987:Exilic Quenya 1984: 1980: 1976: 1971: 1965: 1955: 1952: 1951: 1944: 1939: 1932: 1923: 1917: 1909: 1908: 1907: 1904: 1900: 1896: 1891: 1890: 1889: 1886: 1885: 1878: 1873: 1866: 1859: 1852: 1845: 1838: 1828: 1817: 1816: 1815: 1812: 1808: 1801: 1794: 1793: 1792: 1791: 1788: 1784: 1780: 1776: 1769: 1758: 1754: 1751: 1747: 1743: 1739: 1735: 1734: 1733: 1732: 1729: 1725: 1718: 1714: 1711: 1707: 1703: 1702: 1701: 1700: 1697: 1692: 1685: 1681: 1678: 1672: 1669: 1668: 1661: 1656: 1649: 1642: 1638: 1637: 1636: 1633: 1629: 1625: 1624: 1623: 1622: 1619: 1615: 1611: 1607: 1603: 1594: 1586: 1583: 1582: 1575: 1570: 1563: 1556: 1555: 1550: 1546: 1542: 1538: 1534: 1531: 1528: 1525: 1522: 1521: 1520: 1519: 1518: 1517: 1512: 1509: 1506: 1500: 1496: 1495: 1493: 1489: 1488: 1487: 1486: 1483: 1480: 1479: 1472: 1467: 1460: 1452: 1447: 1446: 1445: 1444: 1441: 1437: 1433: 1429: 1425: 1419: 1417: 1411: 1407: 1402: 1400: 1394: 1390: 1385: 1382: 1376: 1375: 1374: 1373: 1370: 1366: 1353: 1350: 1346: 1342: 1338: 1336: 1333: 1332: 1325: 1320: 1313: 1305: 1301: 1297: 1296: 1295: 1291: 1285: 1279: 1278: 1277: 1274: 1270: 1269: 1265: 1261: 1257: 1253: 1246: 1245:House of Eorl 1242: 1238: 1235: 1234: 1217: 1214: 1209: 1205: 1204: 1203: 1200: 1195: 1191: 1187: 1183: 1180: 1179: 1178: 1175: 1174: 1167: 1162: 1155: 1148: 1147:House of Eorl 1144: 1141: 1140: 1139: 1138: 1137: 1136: 1135: 1134: 1133: 1132: 1131: 1130: 1112: 1108: 1105: 1104: 1103: 1102: 1101: 1100: 1099: 1098: 1097: 1096: 1095: 1094: 1083: 1080: 1076: 1075: 1074: 1073: 1072: 1071: 1070: 1069: 1068: 1067: 1057: 1053: 1052: 1051: 1050: 1049: 1048: 1047: 1046: 1035: 1030: 1029: 1028: 1027: 1026: 1025: 1024: 1023: 1016: 1013: 1012: 1005: 1000: 993: 986: 982: 981: 980: 979: 978: 977: 967: 963: 959: 955: 950: 947: 943: 939: 938: 936: 935: 934: 933: 932: 931: 921: 917: 913: 904: 903: 902: 899: 894: 893: 892: 889: 888: 881: 876: 869: 861: 860: 859: 856: 852: 848: 847:Powerpointish 844: 840: 839:House of Eorl 836: 833: 831: 828: 823: 820: 818: 815: 813: 812: 809: 804: 794: 791: 790: 789: 788: 781: 777: 774: 771: 769: 765: 759: 754: 752: 749: 746: 744: 741: 738: 736: 733: 730: 729: 728: 726: 722: 716: 713: 711: 710: 707: 702: 693: 692: 691: 689: 688:House of Eorl 685: 681: 679: 678:House of Eorl 675: 667: 665: 664: 661: 660: 653: 648: 641: 634: 627: 624: 618: 617: 611: 608: 607: 600: 595: 588: 577: 574: 573: 572: 571: 562: 559: 558: 557: 554: 549: 548: 541: 538: 537: 530: 525: 518: 507: 500: 496: 493: 492: 491: 490: 489: 488: 479: 476: 474: 473: 470: 465: 454: 453: 451: 450:House of Bëor 447: 443: 439: 436: 435: 434: 431: 428: 425: 421: 420:House of Eorl 417: 413: 409: 408: 407: 404: 402: 401: 398: 393: 382: 381: 380: 379: 376: 375: 368: 363: 356: 349: 345: 341: 337: 328: 323: 319: 316: 312: 310: 307: 303: 301: 298: 294: 290: 288: 285: 281: 279: 276: 272: 270: 267: 262: 260: 257: 253: 250: 246: 244: 241: 236: 234: 231: 227: 223: 221: 217: 211: 205: 203: 200: 196: 194: 191: 187: 183: 181: 178: 174: 172: 167: 165: 162: 157: 155: 152: 148: 146: 141: 138: 134: 132: 129: 127: 126: 123: 118: 108: 104: 102: 99: 98: 91: 86: 79: 72: 71: 70: 64: 59: 57: 49: 45: 41: 40: 35: 28: 27: 19: 4897: 4886: 4783: 4735: 4707: 4703: 4677: 4649: 4618: 4572: 4525:Donald Swann 4507: 4506: 4470: 4380: 4358: 4342: 4339:Anke Eißmann 4335:Jenny Dolfen 4308: 4282: 4199: 4183: 4172: 4158: 4139: 4084: 4054:— Preceding 4016: 3972: 3924: 3919: 3867: 3863: 3858: 3806: 3802: 3798:Middle-earth 3797: 3795: 3791: 3787: 3783: 3777: 3772: 3758: 3745: 3705: 3701: 3698: 3688: 3678: 3634:blanket term 3599: 3596: 3588: 3584: 3579:Middle-earth 3578: 3570:Middle-earth 3569: 3565: 3559:Middle-earth 3558: 3549: 3543:Middle-earth 3542: 3533: 3527:Middle-earth 3526: 3518: 3513: 3505: 3474:Middle-earth 3438: 3437: 3433:blanket term 3429:Middle-earth 3428: 3426: 3404: 3357:Royalguard11 3343: 3318:Royalguard11 3310:Oss&euml 3307: 3236: 3176: 3158: 3145: 3127:better? :-) 3086: 3070: 3037: 3033: 3007: 2982: 2933: 2915: 2889: 2828: 2687: 2615:Middle-earth 2542:Tom Bombadil 2510: 2477: 2412: 2408: 2377: 2337: 2291: 2269: 2252: 2247: 2245: 2221: 2203: 2196:(dialect of 2193: 2184:Old Sindarin 2183: 2169: 2159: 2149: 2141: 2131: 2121: 2110: 2109: 2103: 2102: 2094: 2090: 2089: 2075: 2065: 2057: 2052: 2042: 2036: 2032: 2030: 2022: 2015: 2008: 2001:Old Sindarin 2000: 1998: 1993: 1991: 1986: 1982: 1978: 1974: 1972: 1969: 1927: 1915: 1861: 1843: 1842:for Tolkien 1807:523 articles 1806: 1795:I added the 1762: 1722: 1689: 1644: 1598: 1558: 1552: 1544: 1533:Introduction 1532: 1526: 1491: 1455: 1450: 1435: 1431: 1427: 1423: 1421: 1415: 1413: 1409: 1404: 1397: 1380: 1377: 1364: 1362: 1308: 1250:— Preceding 1236: 1150: 1142: 1106: 988: 945: 919: 864: 850: 834: 821: 796: 792: 786: 785: 740:Irongargoyle 720: 719: 694: 683: 682: 671: 636: 632: 630: 622: 619: 583: 576:Irongargoyle 575: 560: 553:Irongargoyle 513: 494: 457: 437: 385: 351: 332: 315:Rochelle CMN 226:Middle-earth 186:Middle-earth 168: 143:Here again. 142: 110: 74: 68: 55: 43: 37: 4664:fixing (to 4644:JRR Tolkien 4327:Ted Nasmith 4144:belongs in 3995:legendarium 3423:Terminology 3401:Bilbo stuff 3247:peer review 3177:Hello. The 3075:Wiki-newbie 3010:Wiki-newbie 2985:Wiki-newbie 2953:Andy Serkis 2644:Westron (?) 2511:In-universe 2212:Nargothrond 1851:ME-category 1837:ME-category 1541:legendarium 1410:I replied: 418:? (Compare 306:Thisisbossi 36:This is an 4853:Assessment 4833:Front page 4760:Arkenstone 4695:Carcharoth 4619:I commend 4587:Carcharoth 4462:Carcharoth 4449:Carcharoth 4418:Carcharoth 4305:New images 4288:Factanista 4274:Carcharoth 4253:Factanista 4244:Carcharoth 4117:Carcharoth 4060:Carcharoth 3999:Carcharoth 3778:Carcharoth 3692:Factanista 3658:Factanista 3638:Carcharoth 3415:Carcharoth 3386:Carcharoth 3377:Carcharoth 3348:Carcharoth 3267:Carcharoth 3243:assessment 3165:Carcharoth 3152:Carcharoth 3148:Talk:Elros 3129:Carcharoth 3107:Carcharoth 3021:Carcharoth 3000:Carcharoth 2922:Carcharoth 2898:Carcharoth 2882:statistics 2760:Carcharoth 2638:Languages 2494:The Hobbit 2478:Real world 2450:Carcharoth 2395:Carcharoth 2334:Irongoygle 2325:Carcharoth 2281:Carcharoth 2266:parameters 2226:Dorthonion 2194:Doriathrim 2016:Doriathrim 1903:Carcharoth 1844:categories 1827:ME-project 1811:Cbrown1023 1800:ME-project 1787:Cbrown1023 1768:ME-project 1750:Carcharoth 1710:Carcharoth 1696:Carcharoth 1618:Carcharoth 1451:appearance 1434:, or just 958:Roosevelts 941:character? 914:(also see 275:Gil-galad1 230:Carcharoth 4887:Archive 6 4858:Templates 4843:Standards 4708:& 4460:instead. 4364:Morgoth: 4319:John Howe 4266:metaphors 3585:continent 3566:continent 3454:Milky Way 3303:Help Desk 3276:directory 2940:John Howe 2539:Treebeard 2204:Falathrim 2047:Cuiviénen 2023:Falathrim 1858:this page 1728:CovenantD 1684:Main Page 1391:Books in 964:, or the 922:article.) 841:, ASCII; 684:ASCII art 256:Dhawk1964 60:Community 4905:Category 4826:Project: 4820:subpages 4349:Fëanor: 4323:Alan Lee 4270:similies 4262:allegory 4232:Gondolin 4068:contribs 4056:unsigned 3762:Maedhros 3733:Maedhros 3494:Atlantis 3450:Universe 3413:... :-) 3116:ReyBrujo 3097:ReyBrujo 2947:Alan Lee 2586:Events: 2216:Sindarin 2152:Lórinand 2132:Nandorin 2082:and the 1910:Awesome 1738:User:201 1724:User:201 1264:contribs 1256:Merond e 1252:unsigned 1237:Merond e 962:Kennedys 912:fancruft 793:Kaobear: 787:Comments 748:Merond e 448:(Tuor), 346:and the 340:Maedhros 297:Eruhildo 161:Merond e 4848:Outline 4621:Kaobear 4447:maybe? 4431:OliverH 4315:Morgoth 4173:Letters 4150:Hobbits 3973:outside 3700:either 3490:Númenor 2255:Elistir 2230:Hithlum 2198:Doriath 2095:Quendya 2009:Mithrim 1805:tag to 1746:Tolkien 1545:Aragorn 1527:Infobox 1508:—wwoods 1034:Faramir 916:WP:FICT 835:Uthanc: 727:style) 690:style) 561:Kaobear 438:Kaobear 430:—wwoods 344:Faramir 293:Namárië 107:Faramir 39:archive 4863:Images 4764:Uthanc 4678:please 4652:Uthanc 4646:- Not. 4597:Uthanc 4558:Uthanc 4545:Uthanc 4481:Uthanc 4477:Sauron 4369:Uthanc 4337:, and 4311:Fëanor 4224:Uthanc 4186:Uthanc 4177:Uthanc 3957:Uthanc 3902:Uthanc 3754:Uthanc 3729:Fëanor 3667:Uthanc 3648:Uthanc 3249:, and 2739:, 113 2735:, 104 2649:Other 2550:Valar 2536:Gollum 2188:Sindar 2174:Teleri 2164:Lindar 2136:Nandor 2126:Lindar 2093:(also 2084:Vanyar 2080:Noldor 2076:Quenya 2053:Avarin 1777:using 1608:, and 1440:Uthanc 1399:Wwoods 1369:Uthanc 1349:Uthanc 1345:Mirlen 1199:Uthanc 1186:Noldor 1143:Uthanc 1079:Uthanc 985:Noldor 898:Uthanc 855:Uthanc 773:Uthanc 495:Wwoods 411:pages. 324:Issues 249:Elruin 151:Uthanc 145:Uthanc 4744:, to 4714:Jordi 4704:& 4343:could 4209:Sandy 3839:WP:NC 3766:Ted87 3712:Jordi 3465:Earth 3228:, and 2518:Bilbo 2208:Falas 2070:Eldar 2003:: --> 1632:Ted87 1547:is a 1498:LOTR; 1343:, as 1284:Jordi 966:Yorks 758:Jordi 506:Húrin 422:with 210:Jordi 199:Ted87 177:Bryan 171:Bryan 16:< 4660:The 4583:here 4519:and 4427:here 4359:that 4313:and 4268:and 4240:here 4236:Troy 4234:was 4213:Talk 4205:here 4064:talk 3920:then 3849:jc37 3784:jc37 3750:here 3731:and 3682:jc37 3591:... 3589:Aman 3572:... 3561:... 3552:... 3550:Arda 3545:... 3536:... 3529:... 3484:Aman 3461:Arda 3407:this 3366:Desk 3362:Talk 3340:Osse 3327:Desk 3323:Talk 3314:Ossë 3290:B2T2 3280:B2T2 3256:B2T2 3125:this 2918:here 2894:here 2886:here 2756:here 2752:here 2459:here 2405:Me:A 2228:and 2210:and 2035:and 1981:and 1922:Me:T 1916:talk 1860:.) — 1742:here 1706:here 1641:here 1614:here 1610:here 1606:here 1602:here 1430:and 1260:talk 987:). — 668:Poll 499:here 190:jc37 4712:-- 4685:to 4606:CBD 4527:'s 4383:Mir 4242:). 4087:Mir 4019:Mir 3978:CBD 3927:Mir 3870:Mir 3809:Mir 3710:-- 3704:or 3602:Mir 3587:of 3568:of 3452:or 3123:Is 3040:Mir 2831:Mir 2690:Mir 2415:Mir 2411:. — 2392:--> 2340:Mir 2294:Mir 1930:Mir 1864:Mir 1779:AWB 1682:on 1647:Mir 1643:. — 1561:Mir 1539:'s 1458:Mir 1311:Mir 1282:-- 1153:Mir 991:Mir 867:Mir 799:Kao 756:-- 697:Kao 639:Mir 635:. — 586:Mir 516:Mir 460:Kao 388:Kao 354:Mir 284:CBD 208:-- 113:Kao 77:Mir 4907:: 4772:-- 4710:. 4693:. 4543:. 4353:, 4333:, 4325:, 4321:, 4283:IS 4215:) 4167:? 4077::) 4070:) 4066:• 3976:-- 3740:, 3656:-- 3534:Eä 3467:) 3456:) 3446:Eä 3245:, 2890:is 2387:, 2383:, 2253:-- 2250:. 2190:) 2128:) 2097:) 2086:) 2072:) 2049:) 2021:b) 2014:a) 1912::) 1901:. 1854:}} 1848:{{ 1840:}} 1834:{{ 1830:}} 1824:{{ 1820::) 1803:}} 1797:{{ 1785:. 1771:}} 1765:{{ 1708:. 1686:!! 1616:. 1604:, 1543:, 1492:do 1426:, 1266:) 1262:• 1115::) 960:, 956:, 907::) 853:. 811:ar 709:ar 580::P 565::) 509:}} 503:{{ 472:ar 400:ar 159:-- 125:ar 4892:7 4882:5 4810:e 4803:t 4796:v 4719:✆ 4716:· 4401:n 4395:e 4389:l 4211:( 4105:n 4099:e 4093:l 4062:( 4037:n 4031:e 4025:l 3945:n 3939:e 3933:l 3888:n 3882:e 3876:l 3827:n 3821:e 3815:l 3746:I 3717:✆ 3714:· 3620:n 3614:e 3608:l 3496:) 3492:( 3480:) 3476:( 3463:( 3448:( 3368:) 3364:· 3360:( 3329:) 3325:· 3321:( 3216:, 3210:, 3204:, 3198:, 3192:, 3058:n 3052:e 3046:l 2849:n 2843:e 2837:l 2827:— 2708:n 2702:e 2696:l 2686:— 2433:n 2427:e 2421:l 2358:n 2352:e 2346:l 2312:n 2306:e 2300:l 2290:— 2232:) 2218:) 2200:) 2180:) 1948:n 1942:e 1936:l 1926:— 1924:* 1882:n 1876:e 1870:l 1665:n 1659:e 1653:l 1579:n 1573:e 1567:l 1476:n 1470:e 1464:l 1329:n 1323:e 1317:l 1307:— 1289:✆ 1286:· 1258:( 1171:n 1165:e 1159:l 1009:n 1003:e 997:l 885:n 879:e 873:l 825:~ 807:e 802:B 782:. 763:✆ 760:· 723:( 705:e 700:B 686:( 657:n 651:e 645:l 604:n 598:e 592:l 534:n 528:e 522:l 512:— 468:e 463:B 396:e 391:B 372:n 366:e 360:l 215:✆ 212:· 121:e 116:B 95:n 89:e 83:l 50:.

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.

Knowledge

talk:WikiProject Middle-earth/archive6 - Knowledge

Index