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We could instead link to the NCBI taxonomy pages, which give a short summary of the organism. This includes a link to the genome list & a link directly to the reference genome. This is technically not a link to a genome dataset anymore, but I believe this is the closest behavior to how our links
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Things like base counts would be accurate/stable as long as the genome is sequenced with complete coverage and high confidence. I'm more familiar with bacterial genomes where that kind of thing is more common, so I'm not sure how realistic that tends to be for eukaryotic reference genomes. Surely,
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But there's another problem that just as important. Any article on an individual genes is certainly going to bring up the definition of a gene and important issues such as regulation, evolution, and alternative splicing. It is proving to be very difficult to get individual editors to stick to the
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A typical genome infobox contains a link to NCBI and at least three bits of information: ploidy, genome size, and number of chromosomes. I think that ploidy and the number of chromosomes are bits of information that should be in the main body of the article. The size of the genome is not a fixed
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If the citation is no longer reliable, then the article needs to be updated, which could be as minor as the removal/replacement of the citation with a reliable one, to rewriting an entire section that was based on flawed premises. If the citation to a retracted paper was intentional, like in the
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definitions and descriptions of these features that have been thrashed out in the articles specific to those topics. This leads to a lot of confusion and conflict so we should be very cautious about creating any new molecular biology articles unless they are absolutely necessary.
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worked before the NCBI change - and it does still provide easy access to the genome data (including a download button that directly links to the reference genome). We'd change the genome ID on all pages with the taxonomy ID (like option #2) and change the URL in the template to
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Knowledge (XXG) is a popular encyclopedia intended for a diverse audience. There are 25,000 genes in the human genome and something close to one million different different genes in the biosphere. We do not need to have a separate Knowledge (XXG) article for each
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ID (and this is what articles have been using for this field). This is at the crux of the problem, as these genome IDs appear to no longer be used. When infobox links still work, it's because the NCBI silently redirects the link to one using the organism's
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I think using an Infobox to pull out (or duplicate) common measures of genetic material from the body text is generally helpful and is especially useful for hosting external links to databases. I support keeping the infobox
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Structural biology lacks any type of wikiproject, at least from what I can find. The core articles surrounding structural biology are scattered, and need a lot of coordinated work done to them. Any thoughts on this?
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I can think of three ways to fix the problem; all would require updating each article using the Infobox with new IDs, so I wanted to talk about which solution is best before jumping in and making all those changes.
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If we think it's valuable to link users to a list of all the available genomes rather than just the reference, we could instead replace the genome IDs on all pages with the taxonomy IDs (for Bonobo, we'd remove
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I suggest a 4th solution, delete all genome infoboxes. Alternatively, someone could replace all the NCBI links with Ensembl links then review and update the genome sizes of all infoboxes every few months.
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as it emphasizes one function among many, but mostly b/c the article currently doesn't list any other function so I am not sure if it should be removed. Typical problem with well-studied proteins, really.
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Also I am bringing this up to see what y’all think about there being an article on this gene. When researching the evolution of sexes and mating types I noticed a lot of sources keep mentioning this gene.
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I put the list of articles within the scope of WP:MCB in collapsed sections. Any help you can give with those are greatly appreciated. Feel free to remove/strike through those you've dealt with.
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I noticed that the example protein articles referenced in the protein article style guide do not follow the recommended sections layout. Should there be a task to standardize these articles?
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cutting off those numbers at two significant figures would make the estimates close enough for general purposes and pretty stable over time. Same for coding vs. non-coding genes. ―
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that would need to be updated to the new IDs no matter what option is picked; not an insurmountable number but not so few that changing them all would be quick & trivial. —
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Is it a good idea to insert all the latest speculations about the function of a given gene before they are confirmed by additional experiments in other labs? I don't think so.
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While I think option 3 provides a more informative wrapping around links to genomes per taxon, option 1 actually would link to a genome as you would expect for the field
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number, it changes from year to year as more of a genome is sequenced and annotated. I would argue that putting this number in an infobox gives it too much credence.
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This is great. Thank you. I've always wondered how we deal with retracted articles and now you've presented at least some alerting automation. --User:Ceyockey (
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Just asking to make sure it doesn’t go by a different name or something. I’m also wondering if genes here on Knowledge (XXG) have a certain style or policies.
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to the correct genome list), but many are. I imagine there's a risk all the links could stop working if/when NCBI completely deprecates the Genome resource.
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or similar. I also see no reason not to exclude linking to Ensembl or any other database as long as the statistics in the box are of the linked genome.
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Right now, on pages where it's still working properly, the Infobox links to a list of all the genomes NCBI has available. E.g.: for Bonobo, the
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now incorrectly links to a genome listing for Impatiophila pipa). Not all pages are affected (e.g., NCBI automatically redirects the link on
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I would also argue that the best link to sequenced genomes is the Ensembl site and not NCBI. For example, here's the Ensembl link to the
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Link to the NCBI Taxonomy page instead of directly linking to genome data; replace genome IDs on all articles with taxonomy IDs.
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linking ETS2 with a wide range of inflammatory diseases. Please amend, or even remove, this if what I've written is wrong. —
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Change the infobox to link to the reference genome only; replace genome IDs on all articles with reference genome IDs.
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ETS2 is a fairly important transcription factor, and these often have multiple functions. I think this addition is
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https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_Biology/Style_guide_(gene_and_protein_articles)#Sections
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Keep the infobox behavior of linking to genome lists; replace genome IDs on all articles with taxonomy IDs.
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on every organism's page by replacing the genome ID with the reference genome ID (for Bonobo, changing to
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Just a quick question is there any articles about a gene in particular? I’m talking about a gene called
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Do we really need to have separate Knowledge (XXG) articles for every human gene? I don't think so.
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Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 12#Category:Pentose phosphate pathway
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Knowledge (XXG):Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_4#Category:Pentose_phosphate_pathway
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Any thoughts on which option is best, or other options I haven't thought of? Of note, there are
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article and wondered if it should be structured consistently with the other protein articles.
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argument; the template now links to incorrect genome lists on some pages (e.g.: the box on
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from the Signpost last month. Things have evolved a bit and now Retraction bot handles
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context of a controversy noting that a paper was later retracted, you can replace
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NCBI genome page lists 8 genomes, with the reference genome at the top
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Thanks for bringing this up, I've taken a moment to smooth it out. ―
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/datasets/genome/?taxon={{{taxId}}}
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for closed discussion with outcome of 'Move'. --User:Ceyockey (
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The outcome of this request was "Not moved". --User:Ceyockey (
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There does seem to be a lot of sources about this gene from:
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Pentose phosphate pathway, chemokines, myokines categories
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/datasets/taxonomy/{{{taxId}}}
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In 2019 an editor made some fairly substantial changes to
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that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.
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template links to the old Genome resource when given a
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Albumin transport function analysis by EPR spectroscopy
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Transformation/transcription domain-associated protein
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Welcome to the WikiProject Molecular Biology talk page
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