Knowledge talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 5

1511:) because you feel territorial about various Coldplay articles, which is against guidelines when people are making edits that are both in good faith, and legitimate alongside the style guides. While I don't take it personally, don't intend on getting into an edit war and I'm sure you can rebutt for yourself, I will be stating these issues in the Songs & Albums projects Talk pages in order to clarify that your reverts are misguided and impeding these projects. Please adapt to currently-in-use style guidelines for WP:Albums like most other users have in order for these projects to continue moving forward. -- 1450:'s Talk page by me, on account of (IMHO) improper reverts of my edits that only preserve outdated Album/Song project style guidelines and superfluous internal linking. While my language was strong, this is not meant as any type of smear or harrassment, but rather to bring to attention to instances where reverts to proper edits are being done to the detriment of the project. The opinions of anyone very familiar with the MoS guidelines on internal linking as well as the subtlely changing style guidelines of WP:Albums would be appreciated. -- 1637:", etc.) have never been edited on my part. That format style is being used by numerous editors other than myself. The editors of those articles used the existing project guidelines as the cake batter, but they then added their own "fillings, ingredients, and personal touches" to suit that individual article. And they baked some good cakes, I may add. I still curious to know why I've been singled out when I'm just following stylistic formats used in consensus by many editors. :-) -- 4387:, so I understand the reasoning behind removing contextually neglible links to plain years, but in this case, linking to the year in music seems contextually relevant in the Chronology section of the infobox (it allows the reader to easily find out about the musical landscape when an album was released). I'd actually like to recommend that your project adopt it as a guideline, but I'm not much of a "joiner" so I'll leave the decision up to you all. 38: 4791:) for adding tracks to a track list using the format recommended on the project page. A user has indicated that he doesn't particularly care for it, or see a reason for it. I do realize it's not much easier than just doing the entry yourself (sans template), but this does standardize the format, and I'm hoping to add some additional elements, such as adding an icon to indicate that a clip is available, or lyrics, or what not (as a 987:

regardless of content, it is an EP. Before finding this wikiproject, I thought the standard was to have two seperate chronologies, one for albums and one for EPs, and personally I think this is the way to go - albums (of any type) in one timeline and if people want chronology links on EPs or singles then they use a seperate timeline. Perhaps with "Album Chronology" and "Non-album Chronology" headers or somesuch.

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that don't even meet basic requirements - or have an infoboxes at all. There's no evidence that the colors are getting changed because they are effeminate anyway. All that time and effort could go into changing them, and some infobox colors will (likely) get changed again occasionally, since the real problem is that some users haven't noticed that they are color-coded.--

2396: 2391: 2386: 2368: 3765:"Usually subtlely different"? *All* the mainstream US "Now!" albums (1 to 20, IIRC) have the *exact* same name as (different) UK albums that came out 15 years previously. There are also at least *three* other "Now!" series now, meaning that for the lower numbers there are up to five albums with different content/covers/dates, but the exact same name. 983:

of interest with such releases to make writing an article worthwhile. Their shape, size, length, sleeve art and reviews make them just like any other album. They're almost always included within the discography sections of album articles, amongst the normal album releases, not segregated. I totally don't get why they should be omitted.

4803:). I originally had a link to it under the track list section on the project page but the user removed it for the given reasons, which is fine. I'm just curious now if anyone actually considers this of any value, or at least potential value. I'd appreciate discussion/comments so I can decide how much effort to put into the template. 5609: 3721:

from a number of sources but present it in an original manner. Quite the opposite; I may be wrong, but I would consider that the whole raison d'etre of Knowledge. Otherwise we would simply end up with lists and isolated facts (since copying more than small parts of articles would be a copyright violation).

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the subst, then any changes we make to the template will automatically show up in the pages that use the template. But like I said, it depends on what the arguments are for using the subst, which I'm still not clear on. And at any rate, I've decided I like the template and will continue to work on it

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Well, as an example, adding extra spaces when you're filling in the template doesn't change the format, and you don't have to worry about new users remembering which is italicts and which is bold (for example), and other things like that. Of course it's still possible to mess of the template, but the

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I would't agree that it's harder to screw up a template. Simple syntax is easier to deal with. Unexperienced users tend to make many mistakes in album infoboxes, for example. Implementing the template in every album article just in case we change the recommendations, if this is what you mean, doesn't

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There's already been a lengthy discussion about this when there was that second album infobox that used the covers in the chronology. Apart from the fair use issue, using the covers in a discography is unadvisable because users tend to click on the images expecting them to link to the album's article

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I think the discs deserve to be listed because they're individual releases on their own, and popular on their own right; contain well-known songs by notable artists; and most have made progress on Billboard charts, for example, and the sales of the albums count towards sales figures of the songs they

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I should have kept the link; but I remember reading an article stating that (in essence) the Knowledge philosophy was not simply to act as a repository for lists/stuff available elsewhere in that form. The "original research" does not preclude writing original *articles* which distill factual content

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attempt to let other know what's going on? All I saw was a bot replacing stars with no explanation, the image in question being untagged. I've reverted quite a few already, but then stumbled across this. Don't be surprised if other editors are reverting the change too. I see that some editors have

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You can go to the image's page and scroll down and there's a list of all the pages which are displaying that image. Of course, there are many pages which simply do not display anything, but it would be just as easy to add in nocover.gif as it is to add a category tag. I'm not quite sure I've answered

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This has probably been answered before, but I couldn't find it. Is there a standard for which comes first in album track lists, song title or artist? I've seen some people completely rotating tracklists from Song - Artist to Artist - Song. Obviously the Artists are much more likely to be linked than

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Following the conventions of the Manual of Style, which is a much broader and more regulated/discussed area of Knowledge, is more than adequate consensus. I disagree with your citation of the removal of star images as if it's a "short-term" consensus, as no consensus on removing them was ever reached

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The problem with "consensus" is that it tends to reflect the attitudes of the editors working on the project that particular day or week. For example, when ths star images for reviews were introduced around May? or June?, editors working back then agreed on its inclusion. I was among one of them. Now

1597:. If a number of editors hold that some WP guideline is restricting the improvement of an article, that is a reasonable time to invoke "It's only a guideline". If, as it appears here, two editors are disagreeing over style, the person who is editing against the MoS and the relevant WikiProject is not 982:

With regard to Live, Comp and EPs - I would suggest that live albums and compilations should definitely be included in the chronology. What's the point of omitting them? People don't automatically discount these as non-albums, even when they contain little or no new material. There is often something

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suggested. I'd also like to see one or two examples of chronology templates that use blanks rather than any type of specific notation for first/last. I'm not particularly familiar with mere blanks being used that way, though frankly I'm more familiar with things like political officeholder timelines.

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There's far more crufty topics, even only considering only music-related contributions: articles on single, non-notable songs by a particular artist, for example. Because the notability and encyclopedic bars for contribution are so vague, I don't think citing any existing topic is a useful argument,

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My personal feelings are that whilst the "Now!" phenomenon is notable, the individual albums really aren't, being just compilations of chart hits at the time, with little to be said beyond that- and I thought Knowledge was intended as more than a simple repository for lists/info available elsewhere.

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I just thought that having a standard convention for naming cover art files for albums would be a REALLY good idea, since it would allow people to find the cover art files without first finding the specific album name. Maybe we could use a bot or something to correct the current files also? Thanks,

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I think that we shouldn't use them. You have screw up your eyes to see whether the star is half yellow or completely white. (I have 1600x1200 screen.) The situation would improve, if there would be more contrast between white and another colour, but that isn't my only worry. The blind users and Lynx

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and editing the Song infobox template soon to be more like the Album infobox, as it should be. You should be reasonable enough to understand that the WP:Album standard is meant to be consistantly applied to WP:Songs, regardless of whether anyone has actually updated the Songs infobox template in due

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I've noticed a few cases where the background color of a tribute album has been changed in various articles, presumably due to someone uniformed of the Albums project not liking the color. Personally, I don't like the admittedly effeminate purple color, which I believe is the reason I've seen people

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I also agree with Gram's chronology suggestions. Plus EP's, compilations and live albums also have chronology boxes. If the box previous releases point to studio albums, then someone clicks on the studio album and no longer has acces to EP's... surfing the chronology box. I hope you get the picture.

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an article. Where I ran into this problem, was on a list of 79 compilation albums in a discography. I can't think of a reason why more than one of the records in question would ever need an article. Studio albums? Definitely. But not compilations, unless they had some particular significance, or at

5050:

Thank you for the information. I now understand the purpose of the subst, and realize that especially for this template, where it is likely to be used many times on a single page, subst is particularly useful for server resources. I have made appropriate notes on the template page encouraging users

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numbered list, i.e., #. My reasons for not using it in the templatewere because 1)Using it in the template, all the tracks ended up restarting the list, so they were all #1 and 2)If someone for whatever reasons wanted to put up a partial track list (e.g., they only new some of the tracks) then they

4255:

I find this a very awkward and unmusical term and have been changing it at various articles to "credits" (didn't realise this was a standard). I actually assumed the person who had come up with personnel didn't speak english properly and had translated it out of a dictionary or something :) Anyone

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That said, I don't feel particularly passionate about it; as I mentioned above, I'm just satisfying requests for topics in the project. I'm just a volunteer and a hobbyist, so I don't want to sit around and argue things—I'd rather just get on with contributing what was requested by someone who has,

3808:

Well, let's keep in mind that there are two distinct issues; whether the Now! albums warrant individual articles, and what the naming system should be if they do. I've said it before; but if they warrant individual articles, they shouldn't be lumped together because they coincidentally share a name

1249:

Sorry, I must have missed this a while ago. It's probably too late now, but my opinion on the inclusion of images in stubs is that none of them are, strictly speaking, necessary, but generally they look pretty. So, perhaps better to eliminate, if this is required for technical reasons. But, if this

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Sorry, why is the use of the sleeves an "unnecessary use of fair use images"?! Who decides what is is necessary and what isn't? It's either legally fair use or it isn't, and in my opinion a small low res image of the recording being listed in a discography is eminently fair use ("to illustrate the

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I think (hope?) we can agree that each "Now" album is an album in it's own right, so it's probably fair enough that they each retain a listing each. However, in terms of "notability" I would argue that it's the phenomenon as a whole that's notable, not the individual compilations. For me the key

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If you want to take this on, creating a single article about the series and merging, then redirecting, articles on the individual compilations strikes me as a fine way to go. We really don't need to be hosting the track lists for all of these albums, given that their track list is pretty much the

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The other question is disambiguating entries in the different "Now!" series. For example, the UK "Now 4" came out in 1984, and was a double cassette/LP featuring hits from that year. The US "Now 4" came out in 2000, and was a single CD reflecting US hits from that year; totally different, although

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template is capable of using different scales, but there are problems with it: (1) it relies on CSS hacks (2) even if we are able to create a 10 star scale, for example, it would be way too large (3) the syntax is complicated. Overall, the stars images create an unneeded complication and issues of

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I forgot one point when I wrote about the stars: the screen space. The stars image takes more space than the (X/5) text. Is it too much inside an albumbox? You have the magazine name and possibly the date and the page in the same entry, so the star image more likely divides the entry in two lines.

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Is the inclusion of ratings on albums really something encyclopedic? It is something quite subjective that might best be left to other sites to deal with perhaps. I would not want to see emerging discussions centering around whether an album should have one star or five battled out between fans of

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It my opinion, the feathers are kind of out of the pillow on this issue, and it will be very time-consuming to go back and change so many albums colors just because one color appears "effeminate." This especially seems unnecessarily fastidious considering that there are sooooo many album articles

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versions) about whether or not to eliminate images from stub templates. From the perspective of this particular template, do you believe that the image associated with it is dispensible; in other words, do you believe that eliminating the image would negatively impact the message of or delivery of

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I haven't really seen this addressed in the project page or in the Talk archives. What is the best way to handle alternate track listings for international versions of an album? I don't want to be "Americentric" and assume that the US/Canada version is the "default" track listing and everything

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Although I disagree with you on this topic, your opinion is as valid as anyone elses when it comes down to it, so I'd rather you didn't "butt-out" for that reason. I don't believe that the project has a monopoly on what should/shouldn't be added, although it's obviously a very good focus for such

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topic, there described as "a list of album articles-to-be-written". I presumed this meant that the need for the articles (and, therefore, their place in the encyclopedia —particularly, their notability and naming scheme—had already been debated and determined). After all, that list has links that

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As for EPs, well it's a judgement call - they are classed as (or grouped with) 12" singles in some cases, and classed as mini-albums and grouped with albums in others. The problem is, some EPs may have 6 or 8 tracks whereas some have 2 or 3 and are still called EPs... If something's called an EP,

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Regarding the album length, if you have spreadsheet software (eg Excel), I'm pretty sure you could just enter all the track times into a column (write =TIME(HH:MM:SS) eg =TIME(0:3:28) - syntax may vary) then make a fomula at the bottom, something like =sum(a1:a12), and format all cells to show as

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Because someone took the time to argue about it. ^_^ Seriously, I don't know, other than for classification reasons. The color scheme is on the project and infobox pages, but I don't think anyone really knows (or cares, TBH) what the colors are for. I'm just trying to keep things in line with

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Hi, please excuse me if I ask a question that's already been answered. What does one place in the "discussion" session of an article on a single? Some pages I've come across have the album template there, which is an idea I support, but many do not. And I don't want to go around adding the album

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I've always found it usefull to know not only who played on a record, but also the track number. Is there a consensus on how to add this info? I've seen a track by track listing, but I was thinking something like John Smith, drums (1, 5, 10) where the numbers are the tracks as they appear in the

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that anyone using the template is using the same formatting. It's easy to accidently use a different format because of a typo, but it's harder to screw up a template. Plus, if the project ever decides to reccomend a different format for one reason or another, it can simply be implemented in the

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The pages, if they exist, are mostly in the process of being deleted due to copyright issues. However, to improve the articles on the albums, it would be helpful to develop a standard format in which an album's position on these lists can be shown. This could be a part of the album infobox, or

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I would think that a category for something like the Rolling Stone Top 500 would probably be OK, since it wouldn't include the particular ordering, just a list of the albums. The drawback would be that with dozens of lists out there, the categories for some albums would get quite cluttered. An

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In the articles I've seen, there seems to be more artist disambiguation rather than year disambiguation. I strongly believe that we should use one type of disambiguation, not both, unless with odd exceptions where the same artist release two separate albums with the same name (Weezer). I would

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I agree, mainly because not all reviews use the convenient 5 star scale. There isn't a reason why All Music ratings deserve to be represented visually but not, say, Pitchfork ratings (which use a 10 point decimal scale), other than the fact that images for them happen to be more feasible. The

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compilations which are essentially just "a few hits and a fairly random selection of album tracks" with little of interest to be said about them. The "proper" albums and famous compilations (e.g. "Greatest Hits", "Greatest Hits Vol. 2") are notable; I don't think a German "Reader's Digest"

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I know that seems like a lot, but I'm still trying to tailor what I'm going to use for the album information section. I think we should give the most comprehensive track information, especially for those of us who love to tag our digital music collection. I spent a good while plugging that

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I've considered a newer naming convention for album specifics, I think you should have a list of the tracks, but then you should create a sub-section for the all the information. I don't know if I like the whole Personnel separation because they usually can be broken down into more concise

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rival bands, nor would I want to see battles over whether one authority or another's star rating of an album should be considered authoritative and encyclopedic. Those matters just do not seem to be something that would contribute anything but frustration to readers and editors alike. --

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It is rather ironic since I'm the one who made most of the stars in the album articles, but shouldn't we be using text instead of the images? Most of us thought it was a great idea when we first implemented it, but now that we think about it, although it may serve some visual purposes:

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I've tried your suggesstion of removing linebreaks to use the numbered list, but have not had any success, I still get all 1's. If you would like you fix, I'd be very appriciative of it, I think you're right, partial track lists are unlikely and using a numbered list would be easier.

2964:; had a collaboration been occurring, I am almost certain that the five-hundredth edit would not have taken place three and a half years ago. My proposal is simple: change the standards of the featured album project. The inactivity taking place in the article—also evident by the past 717:

It is not intuitively obvious that "" indicate the final or first album. In fact, it might look as if the editor accidentally messed up their wikicode (as in forgetting the second bracket in a wikilink). Additionally, this convention doesn't have widespread usage, with a blank being

808:

To clarify, the ". . ." and "Only studio albums..." parts are on the page as it stands now. I only propose the specific changes which I have now marked in strikeout and green. I chose not to remove ". . ." because it didn't seem to harm anything, but personally I prefer a blank.

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A lot of times I have trouble finding the length of the song. I usually find each track length and then I add them up. Are there sites that have the album length so I don't have to use my poor math skills? :) I've found emusic has them, but their music collection is not very big.

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I'll admit I'm probably making too much of a deal of this whole "Now!" notability business. It's nowhere near as bad as having readable articles bloated out (and ruined) by inclusion of countless minor factoids and loss of structure over time. But that's a whole other issue...

2875:, the template is used on 6559 pages. Although being used exclusively on talk pages makes it less expensive than some other templates, I would encourage you to reduce the frequency of edits to the page by linking to the to-do list rather than including it in the template. -- 5394:

I'm working on a page for an album whose liner notes have separate writing credits for the music and the lyrics. How should this be addressed in the track listing? Say, for instance, track #1 has music by X and Y and lyrics by X and Z. Should the track be listed like this:

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has spent enough time yielding the "current collaboration" standing. More than one year is plenty, and seeing how it has been even longer than that, a change is required. A fresh album article with little work completed is in desperate need of enhancing. Okay, perhaps not

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Now Slicing added the alt text to the recommended albumbox. The text "X out of 5 stars" is understandable. I forgot than I can hover the cursor over the stars, if I am uncertain of their number. I think I can tolerate the situation. But we still need star images with more

1117:, because the topic is notable, but the only bootlegs that have articles are those which were later officially released, and these pages are shared with the respective official release. Presumably, those that weren't officially released aren't considered notable enough. -- 2600:

For multiple albums with the same title, either use the artist name or the year of release to distinguish the different albums, i.e. Down to Earth (Rainbow album) & Down to Earth (Ozzy Osbourne album), or Everything Must Go (1996 album) & Everything Must Go (2003

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Has there been any prior discussion of creating categories or pages based on the various Rolling Stone/Pitchfork/... lists that are out there? I'm thinking of Rolling Stone's Top 500 Albums, and Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 70s/80s/90s lists. As precedent, I'd point to

1731:. Linking the years is simply superfluous. As you said, these are only 'guides'. However, regardless of the fact that other editors choose to follow a different course, the instructions on the project page should be followed unless there is a strong reason not to. -- 2582:" I think the practice of using years to disambiguate probably originated with users who are less familiar with the naming conventions with albums but already had familiarity with the naming conventions of films, as these use years to disambiguate article titles. -- 1781:

created their own consensus, which overrules the first. That's not only poor reasoning, it's against what Knowledge means by "consensus". He would, of course, be among the first to squeal if he found the same reasoning applied against his personal preferences.

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thing is consistency: if each album is to have a separate entry, the entries should be uniform across the whole collection (with the possible exception of the very first one in the series, and perhaps the first to be released on CD as opposed to other media).

2975:)—has left a dead branch for other album articles that could have been significantly improved within that time period. It disappoints me so. The album project must be changed or even removed from Knowledge if its inactivity is as great as it currently stands. 1208:

The image in this template used to be a black vinyl looking thing, and a little while ago it was changed to a CD with a little musical note, and now it has been reverted back. There has been next-to-no discussion on this. If anyone is interested, please go to

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seems pretty useful to me. I've just started to clean it up so the nationality subcategories contain the artist's albums categories rather than the invidual album articles. I believe this is the right way to arrange this so please correct me if I'm wrong.

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I have been adding the alternate text to all the images as I edit the articles containing them (I concentrate on the artists I listen to though). I do agree that it can be hard to distinguish the ½ star. Perhaps a blue star would make it more legible?

5192:

I'm proposing a new wikiproject for articles regarding musical groups, individual musical artists, etc. If anyone has thoughts or comments on this, or if anyone can point out that I've missed an existing project for this purpose, please discuss it on

5794:

There is one good reason to create a redlink. That's so that when the page is finally created, the link will go active. Oops, one more: to prompt someone to create that page. The question that needs to be asked is whether the item in question really

2666:

It's been about 4 days since I posted my original comment and it looks like that there will not be any other comments from other persons involved with the project. I will change the language so that the only convention is the artist disambiguation.

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results of such a mistake are usually more visible (e.g., because {{{title}}} will appear on the page). As far as using the templates in case the recommendation changes, I'm not really sure how that doesn't make sense. If people use the templates

1688:, but I believe he's correct when he assesses that you're simply editing/reverting to individual preference rather than any consensus-based reasoning, which is basically trolling the articles you created IMHO. I think most people looking into 3477:

It would've been nice if this was brought to the attention of a wider audience before starting. Especially seeing as you've been debating this for a month and have only had input from five users, it's not exactly what I would call a majority

2831:

That would only work if the parameter is left undefined (i.e. removed completely). The code I posted works also for the case where the parameter is simply left blank. Given the current climate, though, it's probably not a good idea. - Lee

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a few months later, a different group of editors is discussing that it's unsuitable and should be removed ASAP. Yet, if they invited the original proponents of the plan back into the talk, I'm sure most of them would be against that decision.

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I'm not entirely sure if that's what he meant, either, but if we encourage people to just leave the parameter blank instead of directly specifying Nocover.gif, then it would make changing the image easier, should the need arise. - Lee

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I have been redlinking musicians and albums bigtime on my contris. Part of the reason is to provide a interwikiurl if an article is created for the person or album. Opinions? Is there a tool for locating redlinks on your pages? --:

3605:(having a separate list saves the main article from getting bloated and unreadable). Personally, I would support turning them all into redirects; however, since this is (a) pseudo-deletion, and (b) these are "requested" albums (see 1968:

to star images. And you understand more quickly how many stars an album got, when you see it as a number than when you start to count stars and half stars from an image. So let's remove the star images from the example albumboxes.

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My experience, though, has been that Madchester is prepared to argue his case until he's losing the argument, when he stops taking part and carries on reverting, often with no edit summaries or other explanation (see, for example,

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WP:Album/MoS style. These are not "fillings, ingredients, and personal touches" I have been editing. I haven't been changing any text or information on these albums. I don't see why anyone would revert (hypothetical) changes like

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time. Note that the only spreadsheet software I have is a copy of MS Works which is approx 11 years old, but the same or similar thing should work in other speadsheet software. This method is a bit time consuming, but accurate. --

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But it is also a book, and was released as such before the website ever existed. Still (according to the Knowledge article, anyway), AMG is first and foremost a music database, in which case it probably shouldn't be capitalized.

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so much as they are individually editing against consensus. If you disagree with a guideline, argue for changing it and gain consensus, as people do all the time. Don't simply ignore it, as this predictably leads to disputes.

3693:. I've posted a message on Fonzy's page, but he (she?!) seems to be semi-dormant, so we might not get anything in the forseeable future. It looks to me like they've just been stuck in there by one user, but I may be wrong. 4348:

One aspect of the issue (that many editors are unsatisfied with articles that can never grow beyond a track list and the mention of a couple of reviews), is that there is often no obvious place to merge such information.

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Question: are these considered Studio albums (and thus under the orange color) or other (and thus darksea green), or such? Just curious, as I'm creating a couple of them that are, and I'd like to know what the consensus

3231:

I agree, the usage of stars does have several problems, the biggest problem is for me is that the alt-text is usually left out leaving visually impaired a problem. I suggest that WP:Albums discourages the usage of stars.

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I was thinking that would take too much space (if the same drummer played onhalf the songs, and another on the other half). This is especially true on singer songwriter records, where there are a lot of studio musicians.

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I would object. There are guidelines to avoid so-called "easter egg links" (links you have to hover to find out where they really lead), and piping "Year in X" links with just a year label is strongly discouraged. See

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I think we should run a replacement script. I'm currently replacing all the stars with text on the articles I'm editting, but without a bot, it would be pretty hard. We need some concensus before running it though. --

1588:

I would suggest that another great thing about Knowledge is editing in collaboration. WikiProjects exist in part as guidelines for what consensus is without every editor having to weigh in on every individual article.

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You can link to normal studio albums as much as you want. Caveat: Unless there's extenuating circumstances, greatest hits and compilation albums don't need an article, so don't link to them unless the article already

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indicates that ""Rules and regulations such as these, in the nature of the case, cannot be endowed with the fixity of rock-ribbed law. They are meant for the average case, and must be applied with a certain degree of

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Agree to keep Lives and EPs and (sigh) Comps (forced expiration due to thinking of bands with more comps than actual studio albums especialy after they break up); they are part of the "life" of the artist or band.

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Is there a tool for locating redlinks on your pages? Why, are you color blind? ;-) But seriously, I wouldn't worry about it. If you or anyone finds them, they can be fixed at that time. Besides, there are worse

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as a test case, as it's likely to get some attention; but I felt that may have been mistakenly interpreted as a hostile act (rather than attempt to get consensus), so I didn't. The articles are safe at present.

721:"N/A" stands for either "not applicable" or "not available", neither of which I think is appropriate to indicate to "the band didn't have an album before this one". I think using a blank is a better convention. 3946:)? I have been using the romaji-only version, because I believe it is the clearer version for both those who are in touch with the subject and the casual reader, but I want to get a confirmation. Thanks. -- 5749:

There seems to be some small consensus for not making excessive amounts of redlinks. I've also seen a suggestion, that if too many of the list items are red, then maybe the list does not need to be made.

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alternative would be some kind of standardized section for "Awards", much like there's a standardized way to include pop chart performance in album articles now. Some albums seem to have done this, e.g.

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Debating this kind of thing isn't fun, so I'll go find something less disputable to play with. If the series stays, I can continue to contribute here; otherwise, I'll just abide by the decision here. --

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The rules say not to redlink to songs. That implies that it is okay to redlink to albums. Should we be doing that? Actively? Am I the only one who finds 60 red links out of 70 links on a list annoying?

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seems to work very well as a subdued color, doesn't closely look like any of the other color categories, and can be simply inputed as "tan" in the color area of the template (rather than hex code). --

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else is just a noted mention. On the other hand, I'm not sure I want to get into in-depth tables of track listings for the myriad international versions of some albums. Is there a standard here?

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recording in question"). Furthermore, what artist is going to complain about the free publicity? In the presumed absence of any legal advice on this matter I'm going to modify the instructions. --

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I don't like the use of the term, I just make three sections, Technical Information, Track Information, and Produciton Information. It gives you a chance to put in all the info from the CD's

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Well, if there is a lot of reviews in the infobox it makes sense to arrange them in some order, don't you agree? I've noticed that they are already ordered alphabetically in some articles.

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release) has been the featured album project for quite some time now. This would please me if the article had been enhancing — however, this does not appear to be the case. Judging by the

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From the MoS, "simple years, decades and centuries should only be linked if there's a strong reason for doing so." There is no strong reason to link to years within the chronology section.

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which "is currently inactive and is kept primarily for historical interest." I'd too be glad if there were any consensus on this. Or maybe we could come up with a new decent proposal? --

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Frankly, I think the stars are nice (only 5 star scale, I don't know of any source that uses stars for a scale of 10). But since most people prefer text, I don't mind. There should be a

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Anyway, in my opinion it doesn't really matter as much how the list is formatted, as long as it avoids being a gallery of album covers (which is unecessary use of fair use images). --

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or even implied by others in the debate. The point being addressed the most readily after the initial voices for removal is actually how to make the star ratings even more visible. --

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I don't see any reason to not list it *as a convenience* for anyone who would prefer it, with advice to subst: it. Do start a discussion before adding bells and whistles, though!

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The chronology section should link to the previous album on the left and the next album on the right. (Only studio albums, usually excluding lives, compilations, singles and EPs.)

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I can't find any guidelines or templates to help with the formatting of discographies. Are there any? If there are, a headsup note on my talk page would be appreciated, thanks. --

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Surely the most fitting thing to do would be to revert all Coldplay entries to simply read "A load of bland shite"? and then get on with editing more important articles...? :) --

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His argument here seems to be that, when editors get together to discuss an issue and reach consensus, so long as enough individual editors act against that consensus they've

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regular contributors to the project, "consensus" won't necessarily reflect common opinion, just the editors who happened to be browsing the Talk page that particular day. --

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The reason it always restarted is probably because there was a linebreak, which can be easily avoided. And I doubt there are many articles with only partial track listings.

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Isn't the format recommended on the project page using a numbered list (with #)? And I also agree that it is a pretty useless template, and should be subst'ed when used. --

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All of this is what I've been doing anyway, for the same reasons, so I support this proposal. Oh, but one thing, why do you suggest the use of "..." for latest albums? --

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What about upcoming albums, do they deserve their own article before any official confirmation? Is there any guideline? In this specific case, I am referring to the new

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I've seen two styles for disambiguating similar named albums, could someone tell me which is the preferred style or come up with a straw poll to see which one is used.

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for a mixtape retail site). Most mixtapes are used to promote material that is either available on actual studio releases or will be at some future date. I nominated

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might be nice, but I don't have any strong feelings about any of them, including the current purple. Perhaps the purple is problematic; it seems to be rendering as

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Thanks for clarifying. My apologies if this has already been dealt with elsewhere, I scanned though the voluminous talk pages and was not able to find anything. --

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I can't get much interest in this issue, and I'm not pushing for mass deletion/redirection unless that changes anyway. I'd previously considered putting one into

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release, which is untitled, with no official release date yet and so forth. As the specifics start to emerge one by one, the rumor mill goes wild. The article

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I enjoy the stars! I always thought they were a great addition to the infobox when they were implemented in the spring or summer. Please don't remove them. --

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Scrap that idea, I don't know how to do it. I would suggest that someone who can do it... erm... does it, and adds a link pointing to here for discussion. -

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Am I the only one that likes the stars? Personally, I've had little trouble distinguishing b/w a 4 and 4hv rating. I think main reason it's used is because

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I would say use darkturquoise for now (since they are usually live recordings), until the matter about the admissablity/policy of bootlegs gets resolved.--

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has clear guidelines that only professional reviews are to be used. As for the image issue, is there a way to encode the alt-text into the image itself? --

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not long ago, with no objections, so you're free to create it. Please make WP:WSS aware of the new stub if you do, we're trying to help you with sorting.

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In addition, I have been indicating Gold, Platinum, Double Platinum, Triple Platnium, 4X Platinum, etc. - where should I start the #X? Any consensus? –

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I have no idea on where to ask, but we could always run the bot and put in the edit summary 'see WP:ALBUMS/Reason_for_no_stars' or something like that.

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I agree that "Personnel" should be changed to "Credits". What's the consensus on this issue? Does anyone have concerns if we changed the guidelines? -

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Apparently, that assumption was wrong. I'll butt-out, then, until the project can reach a decision about what it's asking contributors to provide. --

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I just saw you (Madchester) rollback all of the Manual of Style and WP:Album style fixes I did for Coldplay's singles, EPs and albums, thanks to the

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So I'll leave it to you (and whoever else wishes to take up the charge) at how the contributions are categorized, if they'll stay or not, and so on.

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and seeing the nature of my edits would support them as not overstepping any bounds. I just think you're too cavalier in dismissing the adoption of

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This will be pretty open section for various releases, so if you have a UK, US, Japanese release, etc. you can stick the CD or LP information here.

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Another Question - How can I find if an album received any certification, and if it did, what kind, (Platinum, Gold, 2x Platinum, etc.) Thanks! --

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All Music is frequently wrong with regards to track listings, track times, album times and labels, especially with older or more obscure releases

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Remember according to the MoS, "Clear, informative, and unbiased writing is always more important than presentation and formatting. Writers are

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Cheers for the clarification. I would also prefer a blank to "..." and if no-one objects, I suggest we remove it since we're making changes. --

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a little and use it on the pages I write. If there's no general consensus for it, then I don't see any reason to put it on the project pages.

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I got two more questions... where do you guys find the producer of the album? i have trouble finding it. also, should demos have infoboxes? --

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I don't see any problem listing the topics by the titles of the CDs. The CDs titles are usually subtly different between US and RoW editions.

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If they're so requested then people can read about them individually in the main article. No content is being lost, its just amalgamation.

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Can there be a Christmas album background color, such as red or green, since Christmas albums usually are only played at Christmas anyway?

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everything else. Personally, I'd propose a color for remix albums, since they seem to be on the increase as a definitive type of album.--

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users can't see the stars, instead the get some mysterious text like Image:4hv out of 5.png. People practically never bother to write the

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suggests that it does not host any reviews at the moment. In fact, the entire site seems very stripped-back. I'm taking the links down. –

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I don't think there is any black and white answer; as far as I know it comes down to notablility. For example, there is an article about

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Whenever I came upon a review I went for not italicized, as it isn't italicized in its article. (And for the reason given by Gflores) --

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your question though as I do not understand what you mean by creating "a seperate template for adding "nocover available"-image ..." --

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I made this nifty little number, If anyone wants to use it. It will also place Category:Wikiproject Albums Member on your page. Enjoy!

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employs a five star rating system (with a similar image). I think ultimately it will have to be removed though just for consistency. --

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Unless multiple albums of the same name exist (such as Down to Earth), they do not need to be disambiguated any further. For example,

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They might have a place on the article about the band/group but I don't think, as a general rule, they deserve a separate article. --

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Is there a good resource to find total times of albums? It gets sickening after a while when you have to add the time of each song.

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Oh is this what Easyas12c meant? It's a very good idea, and I heartily support changing the album infobox to include this, and also

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There's already a bot replacing the shortly active template with the text. My concern here is the ones with the raw image link. --

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They're not a "single topic". They're different albums released at different times that just happened to be given the same name.

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Instead of talking away in private and then setting up a bot, do you not think it wiser (not to mention more courteous) to make

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required to follow all or any of these rules." I've changed the wording a bit and substituted the term, "recommends" instead. --

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I just tried to change the code to works with numbered list, but the problem is the line break between the different instances:

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I don't intend making any serious contributions to the articles themselves, just ensuring that they're in the expected place.

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All Music sometimes lists the length. They also usually have the producers. Other than that, it's usually in the booklet. --

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Yes, if we used (X/Y) or something simmilar all of the problems can be avoided, and with the bonus of using less bandwith.

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I personally prefer Artist disambiguation because the year can be ambiguous and a person may not know the year of release.

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Personally, I don't mind purple. I'm not sure about tan, as I think I'd prefer to use a more "colourful" colour. How about

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A good idea, I think, though pop is less well-defined than many other genres. Technically, pop-album-stub was proposed at

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Fair enough, thank you. For reference by casual passersby (I'll self-class myself as one), the section on this appears at

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I agree for the most part. However, I'm not sure that we should be excluding EPs and Live albums. What do others think? --

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Did a quick search and didn't see anything about this on the main page, but is there any special way to do split albums?

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Yeah, consider this carefully. I realize it looks good on some articles, but it doesn't really have a good purpose... --

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Ok, thanks for the answer. I'll add a bit of help about how to include albums in a discography on the project page.. --

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BTW, I should have made clear that my comments on naming were intended for *if* we decide to keep the articles anyway.

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Would it be a good idea to start without a concensus? There are some very very star loving users here in Knowledge. --

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The WWW Music Database says it has 23,000 albums. Allmusic says it has 874,000 albums. Moreso, we're now gathering

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Even when they're not, all other topics on Knowledge are discussed with a worldwide view under a single topic name.

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give users the range and flexibility to improve articles as they see fit. If you look around at song articles like "

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to various article edits go against the current WikiProject Albums style and the MoS guidelines in terms of undoing

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I totally agree and usually put them in alphabetical order (I actually thought that already was a guideline)... --

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style guidelines, which you are not using. Editing for project style/Wiki guidelines shouldn't be taboo to you. --

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No one else is discussing or implying the editing of an article's context, merely formatting/presentation to suit

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Hi there. In the few album articles I've created, I've been linking the years in the chronology to ]. I've read

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suggests (for guest rappers), it seems like it should appear in the Track Listing and look something like this:

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As far as I know, no. It's not a magazine of any kind, it's just a website. Websites shouldn't be italicized.

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Ditto here. The style is quite clear in this regard, and no good reason is given for why it is being ignored.

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required to follow all or any of these rules: the joy of wiki editing is that perfection is not required." --

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You guys were the only ones with anything on the talk page, so to give you a heads up: I moved Me First, by

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I'm still trying to determine how I'm going to write out track information exactly, like if I want to have "

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about the proposed changes to the album infobox template. I thought that someone here might be interested.

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Very nice. I can't say I'm a member, but I spend quite a bit of time here. But that userbox looks nice.--

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Actually, the recommended format uses a "numbered list", but doesn't actually mention anything about using

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A". Then there's the issue if I should put copyright information under each track or just have a separate

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I think there should be a pop-album-stub for albums that don't necessarily in with rock, r&b, etc. (

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on Knowledge is to be available elsewhere, since Knowledge is intended to contain no original research.

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What is the advantage of using it? Everything it does can easily be accomplished using simple syntax.

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Miscellaneous Liner Notes (this usually entails album art people, recording location, and other staff)

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very useful. Perhaps, we could expand the recommendations on using categories on the Project's page?

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would be improperly numbered using the #. Once again, I haven't heard the actual arguments for using

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is presently chugging away at the replacements, it's running a 30s interval so it'll be a few hours.

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Perhaps it should be noted on the project's page? Seems there's a bit of confusion over this topic.

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I suggest, we first ask everyone else if they agree with this plan because wikipedia is ruled by a

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represents what consensus is about some elements of articles about albums. The same applies to the

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That would cause Nocover.gif to be used if the cover parameter is left blank or undefined. - Lee

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link in professional reviews field is italicized in many articles. Is there any reason to do so?

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Parts proposed to be removed are striked out, and the sentence proposed to be added is in green:

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I suggest that a separate template is created for adding "no cover available"-image (currently

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change it. If consensus is there, could we change it from plum to something a bit more decent (

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Ok, but the naming guidelines suggest the 'a' in album should be lowercase, not uppercase. :)

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I agree. The stars are also problematic since not all reviews have a 5-point rating system. --

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I've changed the wording of the sentence; the "do not" wording seems too strong for a set of

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and wondering if I should use the regular salmon for the infobox or something different. –

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I'm just wondering: how do readers even know that the background color is significant? --

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perhaps a separate template for sales (gold/platinum), chart positions, and rankings. --

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How frustrating! I began researching and adding these articles because they were in the

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Image bandwidth. It's much faster and uses less bandwidth without the unnecessary stars.

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course. It's improper that you feel it necessary to revert completely legitimate edits (

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mixtape and/or bootleg, on AfD becasue I only get two or three relevant Google hits. --

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Funny that i am now reading this talk page with exactly the same question on my mind.

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A standard format for citing liner notes has been added to the citation style guide:

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For some people, it's hard to distinguish between 1 and .5 stars (eye, monitor, etc.)

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For purposes of this encyclopedia, do mixtapes count as albums? For the uninitiated,

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for them, in which case I create them and place them in the proper subcategories of

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template, and anyone using it will automatically get the new formatting. It's basic

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What's the difference between the "sea green" compilation and the "red" compilation?

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I've looked again at the colors I suggested/tested, but they seem a bit too bright.

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Anything that should be done different for iTunes exclusive releases? I'm editing

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Sounds good to me, especially since my browser isn't showing those kanji anyway. —

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So how do we get started on this replacement plan? Is there a bot running free? --

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We could get away with all of these problems if we used text instead of images. --

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I think sickening is the wrong word. "Mind-numblingly dull" is the correct one. —

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Hey, I hadn't noticed that category. It's looking great! I'll try to help a bit.

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For more detailed discographies (with chart positions, etc.) there's the way the

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Sure, but isn't that the case with just about every template? This just makes

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I agree, perhaps we should contact the creator of the current star images? --

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Well, this isn't really written in stone, but on most articles it's simply

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The articles could then be automaticly placed to a "cover missing"-category

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Agreed with simplifying the chronology by including EPs, lives, etc, like

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What colours should be used for demo / rehearsal releases? and bootlegs?

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I noticed on several albums I had edited that the stub was changed from

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not being updated both properly and in conjuction with the edits to the

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I've updated the Project's page to reflect the changes to the infobox.

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albums, whose titles are almost always in Japanese. These names have a

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I agree on using artist disambiguation for the aforementioned reasons.

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states not to link years in the chronology section in accordance with

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Without the captions, it's virtually unreadable for visually impaired.

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I have placed this message on the Featured Albums Project page as well

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should be referenced in this situation. The articles I pointed out ("

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At the moment, I use the following convention, which I've applied to

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greatly appreciate any other insight from other project members. --

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five different times. That's like if you reverted edits I made for

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Winamp will also give you the time on CDs or MP3 album playlists.--

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Thanks for replying Qirex. There is another naming policy on the

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generally without properly stating the reasons for revert no less

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is done, I do think that it should be uniform among all stubs. --

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Looks like we came up with a tiny guide on discographies.. see:

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Judge by how much article you have to write, not by packaging.

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lead straight to the "edit" page for creating the new articles.

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to convert, I will start as soon as I recieve approval (3 days)

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What we could do is replace the call to the cover parameter with

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that message by the stub template? Thanks for your opionions. --

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Is this WikiProject ever going to complete its collaboration on

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vote before making changes, I think that's the proper process.

5142:, James Bojangles | length = 5:55 | on-line = ** 5106:, James Bojangles | length = 5:55 | on-line = ** 4215:? Should it be changed to conform the project's specificaton? 32: 4212:

What do you think about this way of track listing formatting

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Well, I don't see "available elsewhere" as a valid argument.

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for years, dates, bandnames, release titles, etc.. I'm being

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By the way, anybody knows what's wrong with the link to the

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Thanks for pointing this out. I have some updating to do.

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made thses points above; unfortunately they were ignored. --

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Technically, the procedure is to first propose new stubs at

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It makes changing the image easy (one place instead of many)

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We should really change that color to something stronger. --

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refers to the upcoming album (which already got an AfD tag

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and has accepted the request to convert the stars to text.

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Good idea. Where should we ask? This place is so quiet. --

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Perhaps listing them alphabetically could by recommended?

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album for once—has become the new current collaboration. —

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cleaned up. Some albums are directly in subcategories of

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to automate the addition of the alt-text. Sample usage:

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OK. I've updated the guideline and the infobox example.

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Thanks for your help! I'm creating new subcategories of

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and set up Me First as a disambig between that page and

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need of contributions from more experienced projecters.

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Knowledge:Naming_conventions#Album_titles_and_band_names

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here, it's not clear to me. Thanks for the discussion.

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I always label them as compilations; dark sea green. --

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are unofficial underground releases, usually featuring

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I usually just combine them (like you suggested)... --

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Can we mute the red a little? It seems a bit stark.--

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Miscellaneous Track Notes (e.g., sampling information)

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But here's the tentative information for that section.

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article, I linked the musician's credits as follows:

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Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't we just use

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Also, Do songs on discography lists require quotes?

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as far as I know, already gone through that process.

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Good point. It's been the current collaboration for

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Post suggestions on my talk page (if you have any).

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What to do about separate music and lyrics credits?

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Issue with inactivity of the featured album project

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Prepared to change "current collaboration" standing

674:" field) should be left blank, or with a " . . . ". 4331:I mean, there must be countless cheap and obscure 4315:. Do all of them deserve individual articles? -- 3531:There is also further discussion on this topic at 2955:number of edits that have been made in the history 1673:three different times in one article, or the year 209:), but I'll probably have to tailor it some more. 4727:In regards to infobox album colors, two things: 4256:else agree? Is there a better term we could use? 3533:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/List#Unfiltered 3505:I have posted regarding this on the Village Pump 2968:edits that were made (the fiftieth being made on 2108:Knowledge:WikiProject Albums#Professional reviews 1225:A perennial debate is afoot at the Village Pump ( 5734:I answered the above question on his talk page. 5495:Thanks! You saved my brain from exploding :) -- 4113:Knowledge:Cite_sources/example_style#Liner_notes 3545:Any thoughts on compilation albums such as the " 3053:I found that there are two seperate articles - 1138:mixtapes for deletion, and see what happens. -- 4301:Are all albums, once verifiable, encyclopedic? 3681:BTW, I can't find any discussion on it in the 3562:Now That's What I Call Music! 17 (U.S. series) 2698:) to album info boxes. Mainly for two reason: 1723:I agree with Liontamer. The Album WikiProject 1440:Several inappropriate Coldplay article reverts 1327:Greatest hits, box sets and other compilations 459:template if it shouldn't be there...thanks! -- 5553:- this only works for American data, though. 5126:If you write the following instead, it works. 1500:duplicate Wikilinks in articles and templates 8: 5229:This project jas been officially started at 3603:List of Now That's What I Call Music! albums 3126:Knowledge:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals 2383: 1769:User talk:Madchester#Shiver (Coldplay single 1538:The great thing about Knowledge is that its 5841:For further info, I found the following at 5551:http://www.riaa.com/gp/database/default.asp 3582:only thing one can say about any of them. 3560:I moved some entries to a new name such as 3077:But on other articles I have seen links to 2566:There is a (sort of vague) style policy at 2453:"'Song' - Artist (Songwriter1/Songwriter2)" 24:Knowledge talk:WikiProject Albums/archive 5 5900:Professional reviews order in the infobox 5359:but there are no proper subcategories of 4600:Knowledge:Filmographies and Discographies 3607:Knowledge:WikiProject_Albums/List#Various 2863:As you might have noticed, this template 2365: 2071:It's for precisely the above reason that 4587:Knowledge:WikiProject Albums#Discography 4501:Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Aldaraia 4336:compilation of their work from 1977 is. 2433:Track lists for 'various artists' albums 1496:low added-value links to years and dates 1134:Well, I'm going to nominate a series of 604:Pop the CD into iTunes, if you own it. 3322:, and if everyone agrees we can put a 3158:splitting rock album stubs by decade. 1867:Unless you can survey the opinions of 1446:This is a copy of the message left on 1386:? What are other people's thoughts? -- 51:Do not edit the contents of this page. 5369:Category:Albums by artist nationality 5365:Category:Albums by artist nationality 5357:Category:Albums by artist nationality 5353:Category:Albums by artist nationality 5310:Category:Albums by artist nationality 4598:The link listed on the project page ( 4227:Yes, the table is inappropriate (see 3904:Usability question for foreign albums 2432: 1318: 632:Proposed change to Chronology section 7: 5201:. The temporary pre-project page is 4797:idea, you can see the list I did at 3213:Generally, it's easier without them. 2494:Greatest Hits (Alien Ant Farm album) 2468:Convention for disambiguation albums 1326: 2574:Down to Earth (Ozzy Osbourne album) 5867:Template talk:Album infobox#Update 5865:There is an ongoing discussion at 4761:should be used for compilations. — 4031:All Music Guide italicized or not? 3930:, should it be written in romaji ( 3081:instead. In addition, the article 2414:Unified naming for cover art files 662:or with a " n/a " or with a " [ ". 31: 5800:least a very high chart position. 3662:Knowledge:WikiProject Albums/List 3601:" article, as well as a separate 2484:Greatest Hits (Ace of Base album) 2385: 1762:I agree with Liontamer, Gflores, 1350: 1342: 18:Knowledge talk:WikiProject Albums 5607: 5603: 5186:New Wikiproject: Musical Artists 4829:I like the template. Good work. 3173:Christmas album background color 2394: 2389: 2384: 2366: 1690:my recent Coldplay contributions 953:itself states that "Writers are 423:information in so programs like 36: 5980:review in the example infobox? 5695:It looks like there is already 5231:Knowledge:WikiProject Musicians 5024:Knowledge:Template substitution 4516:Knowledge is not a crystal ball 3809:with a different "Now!" album. 2905:and their number-one album for 2489:Greatest Hits (Aerosmith album) 1684:I can't specifically speak for 1492:piping years to "XXXX in music" 1265:Tribute album background color? 685:" field) should be left blank, 660:" field) should be left blank, 252:Example: US Release (CD)</i? 6016:Some links still work however 5654:Anyone up for templating it?-- 5260:Just letting this project know 3326:for a bot. 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3098:12:23, 9 January 2006 (UTC) 2578:Insomniac (Green Day album) 2477:Artist disambiguates title 1729:Knowledge's Manual of Style 1334: 357:Miscellaneous Contributors: 113:Personnel and track numbers 6048: 5893:14:35, 25 March 2006 (UTC) 5879:10:48, 23 March 2006 (UTC) 5827:19:35, 26 March 2006 (UTC) 5776:15:43, 23 March 2006 (UTC) 5756:05:16, 23 March 2006 (UTC) 5739:00:02, 23 March 2006 (UTC) 5727:06:40, 21 March 2006 (UTC) 5704:15:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC) 5638:00:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC) 5573:01:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC) 5564:16:12, 19 March 2006 (UTC) 5543:15:09, 19 March 2006 (UTC) 5500:03:45, 13 March 2006 (UTC) 5485:19:56, 12 March 2006 (UTC) 5471:19:40, 12 March 2006 (UTC) 5440:22:35, 11 March 2006 (UTC) 5421:14:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC) 5376:14:02, 10 March 2006 (UTC) 5252:19:49, 30 March 2006 (UTC) 5150:| length = 0:25 }} 5114:| length = 0:25 }} 4313:Category:Unreleased albums 3687:the Now! albums were added 2650:disambiguation by artist. 1488:proper track listing style 1041:11:53, 18 April 2006 (UTC) 656:albums the left box (the " 624:18:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC) 6029:10:49, 4 April 2006 (UTC) 6006:05:50, 4 April 2006 (UTC) 5990:13:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC) 5967:13:20, 2 April 2006 (UTC) 5947:11:41, 2 April 2006 (UTC) 5930:08:22, 2 April 2006 (UTC) 5916:15:29, 1 April 2006 (UTC) 5687:18:06, 4 April 2006 (UTC) 5668:13:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC) 5650:13:00, 4 April 2006 (UTC) 5614:This user is a member of 5584:12:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC) 5524:19:54, 3 April 2006 (UTC) 5511:12:52, 3 April 2006 (UTC) 5452:18:44, 4 April 2006 (UTC) 5404:21:09, 9 March 2006 (UTC) 5361:Category:Albums by artist 5349:Category:Albums by artist 5343:22:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC) 5336:Category:Albums by artist 5330:21:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC) 5318:12:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC) 5295:06:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC) 5283:06:20, 8 March 2006 (UTC) 5222:20:10, 6 March 2006 (UTC) 5172:10:53, 7 March 2006 (UTC) 5072:20:29, 6 March 2006 (UTC) 5036:16:15, 4 March 2006 (UTC) 5009:15:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC) 4983:14:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC) 4956:14:28, 4 March 2006 (UTC) 4914:23:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC) 4886:23:20, 3 March 2006 (UTC) 4843:22:14, 3 March 2006 (UTC) 4834:22:06, 3 March 2006 (UTC) 4825:21:37, 3 March 2006 (UTC) 4813:21:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC) 4787:So I created a template ( 4773:06:29, 3 March 2006 (UTC) 4750:02:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC) 4714:21:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC) 4686:15:24, 6 April 2006 (UTC) 4671:14:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC) 4140:iTunes Exclusive Releases 3017:Love. Angel. Music. Baby. 2501:Year disambiguates title 1550:" or album articles like 1490:, as well as propogating 1433:18:38, 4 April 2006 (UTC) 1213:and add your thoughts. -- 250:Country Release (LP, CD) 146:3: "Complete Song Title" 135:1. "Complete Song Title" 5699:- is this to replace? -- 4206:Track listing formatting 3047:Personnel: Cover artists 2801:{{{Cover|Nocover.gif}}} 2764:Template:Album infobox 2 2525:Wildflowers (1994 album) 2509:Wildflowers (1967 album) 1335:Cover and tribute albums 1319:Live albums and live EPs 1211:Template talk:Album-stub 766:. It's a good change. -- 143:2: "Complete Song Title" 4604:Knowledge:Filmographies 4445:, but not others, e.g. 3557:the name is the same. 2901:I'm afraid to say that 1553:Don't Believe the Truth 363:© Copyright Information 257:Recording Information: 149:Drums: Name of musician 138:Drums: Name of musician 5697:Template:User WP:ALBUM 5397:1. 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