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value-destroying westernization some licensees apply to anime or manga, by doing evil stuff like renaming characters, destroying jokes, converting typical japanese phrase structures (ogenki desu ka?) to stuff which may be used in a similar way in english (how are you?) but don't mean the same as something more accurate like "are you in good spirits?" would. Maybe we should go with just listing them as alternative names, but that's my opinion. In whatever case, the original kanjis and transliterations must be there and must not be hidden. I'd also add a section commenting the differences between the real thing and the licensee's version, if the level of harm makes it worthy.
1435:"Knowledge articles are not collections of photographs or media files with no text to go with the articles." You need encyclopedic content to accompany the images. A comparison between two series is not encyclopedic content, either. (Otherwise, why shouldn't there be an article comparing/contrasting every pair of creative works?) And I think you misunderstood my comment about Knowledge not being a fansite. I was simply stating that "relevance to fans" is not a justification for inclusion in Knowledge.
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quality shots of the new Cloth Myth series action figures. While there's nothing really bad about that, they don't really fit the article and have no real use there. I think they don't do a good job on representing what the article is really about. At least one other user has removed those images, but they are back again. I did as well, but not this time. They were all added back by another user, as well as with new ones.
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pages touch upon martial arts (where the terms originally came from), they're mostly about the sexual connotations. In fact, they outweigh the original ones (on Uke, thee paragraphs for MA term, more than twice that for the sex term; on Seme, one vice five times that). Needless to say, this really
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I remember mako suggested using the animanga infobox + the television infobox for series with dorama, and that could work. I don't know anything about stage adaptations, and I don't think I've seen any infobox for any other stage production (not even well-established plays or musicals). In any case,
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Template namespace, but didn't mention it here. So, what else needs to be changed? I know the OVA module at least needs changing, since there's no network and broadcast dates. I suppose the big question is how exactly do we plan to use these for series such as
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You're probably right about the grammar issues. Out of the options that you mention, I would prefer "Characters in Series". It would be nice to find a way to have the series name as the first word of the title, yet still use something that is grammatically correct. I am not sure if that is possible,
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I agree about runtime; I'll remove that. I'll also change "Seiyu" to "Notable seiyu," and if a series has many, then that can be a section of the article and you can just have a link in the infobox like "(see list)" or something. I'll also add an "Other notable staff" entry for now, and you can add
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Well, I know I don't post here very much, but I thought it'd be a good idea to call the attention of more of you people involved on this project. It'd be nice to have other users pratrolling that article in order to avoid things like this from happening. If anyone has different opinions regarding
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Now that's an elegant approach that I hadn't thought of, with the header and footer. While the badger was amusing, I filled that box in with something else. I suppose the OVA box could be just a clone of the anime one. Also we should tighten up the spacing of this box, as it feels rather large. -
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401:. For some reason they just disappeared, so maybe something should be done about this. Perhaps they were never uploaded in the first place (I wouldn't know), but in that case, the boxes shouldn't read "Missing image". That message shouldn't be shown if there isn't any image available. Any ideas?--
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I cannot agree with using the character names licensees choose. I think we shouldn't really follow the licensees, but the authors. For the series/movie/etc name I'd just place a redirection, but using their weird names for characters is a bit too much; I understand it as if we were supporting the
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I'm still not sure about what we should do about the other stuff. I think all movies should probably be separate pages, although they could be linked to from a main page about the franchise as a whole. However, I still can't think of a good way to cover tv/oav/manga, unless we do decide on using
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series has been the target of users (yes, more than one) adding several images to it. Thing is, most of them not only have no copyright status, but they just don't fit the article. They're not encyclopedic, and they were added with no formatting care at all. A good share of them consist of high
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Looks good =). I think runtime for episodes is somewhat unnecessary, though we could combine that with No of episodes to save a line. Things like Seiyuu we may want to think about just linking from the box if there's a list of them. OVAs and movies... it depends on how articles are set up. I'm
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I have no problem with you editing the page. I just wanted something so that we could start working on it. Good thinking with the
Japanese name fields... I can't believe I forgot that. Oh, and I took runtime from the movie and TV templates; it's basically the length of each episode, although I
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article series, including a recategorization of the articles, inclusion of the infobox, removal of personal pronouns, and creating a seperate article for characters and teams. If anyone cares to look it over and provide any additional info or feedback (I seem to be the only one), please dont
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One thing we need to work out is how many infoboxes belong on a page. For example Akira is both film and manga. So what do we do? Two separate boxes? Split up the article and have one box on each page? One single monster box with all formats? Just imagine when a subject has manga, anime, and
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this, we can discuss about them here. Like I said, I didn't remove the images this time, but I think they should be. They should also be voted for deletion, by the way. Ah, some new info was added to that article in the last days, as well. I plan to work on that later, and adapt it.
1425:...Ah...Well...I wouldn't really consider it 'research', just a compendium of images that showcase similarities. It would be relevant to fans, but that doesn't make it a fansite. I'm a fan of anime, and the anime wiki article is relevant to me, but that doesn't make it a fansite...
1457:; consider for example a companion article called "Differences between Eva and RX". Either has an ingrained bias, and we're not looking to fuel flamewars. It's a worthy project, but it doesn't belong on WP. I do think that an external link to such a page would be appropriate. -
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Sorry for the late reply. Yes, I understand it now. Perhaps the template should be modified to make it deal with situations like this. Unfortunately, I don't know a whole lot about table/box creation, so I'm not sure if I can help there. =[
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1472:...I see...when you guys put it that way, it doesn't seem right. That's too bad. Would anyone care to reccomend a good hosting service that I could use for my project? Preferably one that allows lots of images. ...And...yeah...I actually
1210:. Personally, I'm of the opinion that we should move and merge the sexual terms, as the MA terms were there first and have a longer meaning. Conversely, though, from what I can see, most Westerners only know the sexual connotations.
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Japanese in most if not all cases) for the article titles for the characters. But they may be mentioned using English anime names in some YGO-related articles.
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I believe that such a page would definately be relevant to fans of
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Unfortunately, it appears that the template used for the information boxes on those pages assumes that it can find a picture of each character at "NAME_photo.jpg". Most likely, the pages that you mentioned never had pictures.
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For those series, we should probably mention in the main article that the titles are related and then give a few examples of episode titles. However, even in a case like that, it is probably unnecessary to have
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the nice thing about the animanga template is that we can always add additional sections without messing up existing boxes, and there's also the "other" section if you want to add info for a particular series.
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those with multiple OVAs (for example, Tenchi)? Do we need to include a "Title" parameter and then include each OVA separately in the infobox? Or do we want the infobox just to mention that there are
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Another thought I had - maybe there should be a smaller infobox for single seasons/OAV series? This would work for seasons/OAVs that have their own section in the article or are on a separate subpage.
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For those interested, I've created a rough draft of a template and put it on a subpage of my user page. Just go to my user page and you can see it half-filled with
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Very good! Hope you don't mind us editing your user page while working on this, though. I've modified it to include a "Japanese name" field. What exactly goes in the "runtime" box? -
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Since no one voted on my proposal on the official proposal page for a week, maybe the members of this project will, or could adopt it as the official award for the project. See
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or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles on anime or manga? Please post your suggestions here. Thanks a lot!
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