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recomendations do not apply to saline devices and the packaging label still reads 18yo under it's indications. The rest of the world has not adopted this stance with silicone (this is more of a political concession specific to N. America), but our professional organizations world-wide have largely condemned cosmetic breast surgery in teens for the reasons mentioned. The link to the American PLastic Surgery Society position paper on this was attached which is consistant with others. Referring to the MRI recomendation by the FDA (which was not endorsed by Canada & is not standard world practice)in a 4 sentence paragraph not even about Implants, much less the singular American implant experience, doesn't seem to belong

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reason for this recommendation is that there are no long term studies on the rate of rupture, or the effects of rupture. Dr. Zuckerman and I have consistently tried to include this infomration in the article, and Oliver has continually deleted it. Because he is a medical doctor, he is not viewed by the MDS here as "political" although he gets away with accusing Dr. Zuckerman (an epidemiologist) as political. Is there nobody here who will at least question Dr. Oliver's bald assertions ???? I have pinned him down on at least one misstatement, but I cant' continue to fight a whole crowd of doctors willing to defend another doctor at any cost. It's unbelievable. That's enough to make anyone hate doctors.

2841:(there are not) or its effects (there are not). For that reason, and because rupture is usually silent (without symptoms), the FDA recommends women have MRIS to detect rupture 3 years after implantation, and every 2 years thereafter. In the US, MRIS are about $ 1500 a pop, which insurance does not cover. Oliver has deleted all discussion of this in the breast implant article and continually portrays me and others as 'fringe' or 'lunatics' or worse. I would like anyone here to tell me that what the FDA has stated and recommends (which is all I have ever wanted to state) is "fringe" or "lunatics". I know Oliver thinks it is, but I don't think he represents every docotr. 2894:) and more of a bizarre free-association added into the middle of the SLE entry. Some who are convinced of this cause-effect relationship are going to dispute this despite a great deal of literature in agreement on the lack of said association. How to treat these political debates that spill over into medical areas (be it abortion, vaccines, homeopathy/osteopathy, chiropracty, breast implants, etc..) is one that threatens credibility of wikipedia as a reliable resource. This example does beg the question of how to treat minority or even occassional fringe views on these things that differ from widely held mainstream beliefs. I'm not always sure how to balance that. 2698:- may I suggest that an apology is warranted. The action was that of an admin intervening in a nasty edit war, with a ridiculous 250 edits to an article since 1st October. He states he selected the last obvious claim of a consensus-sought version (no admin is going to read through 250 edits to see whether that was true or not, nor which was a "neutral" version), and applied a pause in the war. Comments on how to proceed seems at last to being discussed on the talk page and when consensus is reached then the page can be unlocked and good, well-written, informative and of course NPOV adjustments can be made to bring the article hopefully closer to 623:

featured-article status. In this case I think the collegehealth-e.com is generally more detailed. Secondly wikipedia is not here to act as a link to other sources - we don't have one-to-one links to the equivalent article at Encyclopaedia Britannica or Encarta - yet I appreciate that collegehealth-e.com is not trying to be an encyclopaedia on all topics. I am more uncertain the more collegehealth-e.com articles I look at, perhaps this is a useful resource? But if so, should it be a standard external link resource provided by

1054:! Did this explanation convince you? Why do you think a template is approrpiate? In a comparison, all other items in the current templates are web sites which offer information by themselves, or offer links to information that they cite; TRIP does none of them. It doesn't dirrectly cite information, it lists information cited by other web sites. It, however, applies a filter so you see portions of what they site.... If you are convinced, I will add the requried links inside the content of the articles in a week. 1036:. In that time me and my team have answered over 7,500 clinical questions, of which 95%+ were for GPs. I've got a fair empathy with the GPs information requirements and the problems they encounter answering their questions. I'm not hugely surprised that many haven't heard of TRIP as were subscription only from 2002 till Sept this year. However, popularity might not be the best measure of usefullness. For example I would have thought they'd all heard of Medline and the Cochrane Library ;-) -- 1221:

infective deaths, implied universal baldness. The science is dodgy too. The cited abstract from the JCO in 2000 is actually from a reputable phase 2 study (I know one of the authors) which has subsequently not been taken up. Low dose oral 5FU is not used to my knowledge, since oral capecitabine came along. Low/Moderate dose maintainance chemotherapy would make an interesting article. The current effort is not it. Insulin Potentiation Therapy is pure dangerous quackery.

1643:. In essence I think Template:Infobox hospital just needs some additional parameters or optional alternatives (similar to citation templates allowing 'author' vs 'first' & 'last', or 'date' vs 'year & 'month') to allow it to be less US-centric. I can do the necessary coding and have some ideas of how this should all work. Whilst I was bold enough to add a country code parameter, the other options could benefit from comment before I dive in :-) Please see 3963: 31: 3163:

do not know. However, this is definitely worth mentioning, since the reason for the recommendation is to detect silient rupture. Detecting silent rupture is important because there are no long-term studies on the rate of rupture (past 10 years), or its effect (when women have had ruptured implants for any period of time.) Oliver did not want to mention this, even in the section on FDA approval in the breast implant article. Why?

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autism & vaccines, fibromyalgia, aesbestosis, etc..) and that has plagued this entry for months. In fact, the most prominent anti-implant activist in the world has been actively engaged in misrepresenting this wikipedia entry and continuing her political campaign thru it. There is a clear general consensus in the world medical literature on this and that is the where the discussion needs to start IMO.

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because the site has a level of detail which is inappropriate for the Knowledge article." Links relevant to the college-age population are greater in detail for that demographic than the Knowledge article calls for. In regard to your accusation of "spamming": your claims are speculated. You should review the external links contents before making accusations that a legitimate contributor is spamming.

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consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.

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hoped that someone who takes a position that an article has been 'reviewed' would at least respond when asked who reviewed it. I was banging my head against a wall trying to get any information. So to continue this discussion is a waste of time -- assuming good faith goes only so far. Thank you all for your input.

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acknowledgement. I would also like Samir to help in mediation, without throwing his hands up and writing "Futility" because of new editors who posted. By the way, I do not know those users, and they are nobody in my household. Anyone can get frustrated and angry at this kind of situation, including me.

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Yes, I stand corrected. The FDA doesn't prevent doctors from ignoring the approval conditions and recommendations. I don't know why that surprises me since it has been okay for the last 30+ years to use untested and unapproved devices in women. I suppose it is similar to using drugs on children

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Oliver was the one that originally injected, for no reason, comments about breast implants in the lupus article - of course, suggesting that there is absolutely no link. The reality is that the FDA, while recently approving silicone implants, has stated that there are no long term studies on rupture

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What is ridiculous, Samir? What in the paragraph above is insulting? What is wrong with it? I would like to know. Is it impermissible to ask who reviewed it, when there was nothing anywhere that I could see? And I said I was not going to belabor your actions or inactions. How is that an attack?

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I was not asking for an article that said said or implied that implants cause systemic illness. If you look at my edits, you will see that. I am interested in presenting a balanced view - and I do not mean equal weight to both a mainstream and non-mainstream view. I mean accurately present sources

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which I would like some input into from the group. This is a pretty dry & evidence based presentation re. the history, use, & reviews of alleged links to systemic disease (with silicone implants). Breast implants is one of the medical topics that really bring the political activists out (like

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for starting Ophthalmology articles. For the past 4 months, I have been working to add articles, relevant info and clinical images to the current sections of Ophthalmology - am currently looking to get some more input and requests, so that we can get cracking - to get some really good articles, raise

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A review of the Knowledge guidelines reveals: "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material not already in the article. Ideally this content should be integrated into the Knowledge article, then the link would remain as a reference, but in some cases this is not possible for copyright reasons or

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The articles are well written and, more importantly, well sourced/cited. The problem is more of whether content should be added to wikipedia articles or external links. Ideally no external link should be made if it fails to add greater information than the finished article should have once it reaches

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edit warring. Discussion of specific risks, FDA licensing and the controversy belong in the various articles' talk spaces - this talk page is more to notify project members of particular articles & their talk pages needing input, or discuss general encyclopaedic policies with regards to clinical

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Logically, if the concern is about physical growth, not emotional maturity, the same age should apply for saline or silicone. However, if emotional maturity is taken into consideration, the costs of MRIs (needed to screen for rupture for silicone gel implants but not for saline) could be considered,

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Ah David, you make a valid point. The FDA has restricted the augmentation using silicone (not saline) implants to women 22 years old and older - and that should be mentioned. And, it has also recommended MRIs 3 years after implantation and every two years thereafter. Whether Canada has or not, I

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However there are no long-term studies (longer than 10 years) on women whose implants break. Because ruptures are usually "silent" (without symptoms), the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recommends that women follow-up after the first three years of implantation with Magnetic Resonance Imaging

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In medicine I've learnt not to mistake test results for symptoms. ANA/ENA positivity don't equal disease, even if the symptoms are somewhat similar to those diseases typically associated with ANA/ENA positivity. These markers have not been studied specifically as diagnostic markers for diseases that

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is in discussion with some users whose agenda is obvious (as is his own, being a plastic surgeon). I'm somewhat concerned that Knowledge is being used as a soapbox, with the page presently turning into a anti-implant vehicle. I think the page looked fairly good when Droliver rewrote it, although the

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and then redirect Template:Infobox NHS Hospital to this. I would appreciate comment on choice of parameter names, e.g. 'HealthCare' vs. Funding, alternatives to 'Standards' (applies to developing countries with external accreditation certification), 'Region' vs Area (County in UK or US, but "County"

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Whilst perhaps accepting useful to editors in researching for wikipedia articles, I'm still yet to be convinced that direct links in medical diseases articles appropriate (links in systemic review and EBM articles excepting). I accept this may partially/largely reflect fact I've just not encountered

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It's not that I don't believe you, but I am curious how you determined that these are exactly the same chemical. How does one determine the INN of a chemical? If they are the same chemical, why does the MeSH have two separate entries for ormeloxifene and centchroman? Is there any difference? If

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I've been trying to improve the microscopic anatomy/histology articles, but I've bumped into the problem that there aren't any sets of images that have been released under a free license. Many schools and companies release images over the internet, but retaining copyright. I'm meeting with the Dean

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I would appreciate it if someone would either help with the BI mediation or unprotect the article. Samir has locked the article on one person's version, which is grossly inaccurate, and not reviewed that I can see. If he or anyone else refuses to read the studies cited in this advertisement (it's

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If you do, then please help us with the breast implant article, and read what Dr. Zuckerman and I have to say. All I ask is that anyone bother to read it. If you do, then you cannot disagree with the obvious. There has been misrepresentation of the studies and of the FDA decision. I know that

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I only speak from what experience I have. Not childish, an observation. It seems a third party, totally independent, has also seen the POV. I found that interesting. Yes, we can discuss on the talk page. I know that you and JFW were involved with Droliver's article, but evidently nobody checked

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Addendum: Droliver made significant changes to the article and then asked members of this Wikiproject to review and comment on the new version. He received some positive comments. In that sense, I do not disagree that his version is a consensus version and that substantial, large-scale edits should

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It is clear that you have a deep antipathy, but it is also clear that you assume quite a bit, and are quick to assume that I or others are (1) "uneducated" and have no objective proof documenting immune dysfunction, or (2) lying. You wouldn't believe it if I personally sent you proof, because it

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A good place to start is to accurately quote or represent the sources an editor uses. It doesn't matter how well sourced an article is, if the sources are misrepresented, and facts made up out of whole cloth. If you are indeed a serious editor, then you would bother to read the objections. The

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Thanks for highlighting this. The low dose chemo article is poor. It looks like a cut and paste from a patient advocacy website. Bad style apart from anything else: written in the second person. some of the assertions are wrong or grossly exaggerated eg: chemo causes constant vomiting, high risk of

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No - still feel more use to editors trying to source material to write wikipedia articles than source to be cited within an article (one would cite the primary source that Trip might present as a summary). For some specific interpretation of evidence, then NLH Q&A Service might be a source, but

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To reduce TRIP to being a 'collection of links' seems a bit harsh! If any wiki does not answer the person's question - what then? By allowing them off to a search engine gives them a further opportunity. On TRIP we acknowledge that by auto-searching PubMed. My, biased, view is that TRIP can help

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In late Nov, the FDA announced that silicone gel breast implants were approved for the first time, but that augmentation patients should be 22 years old or older, because younger women are often not done developing. Six years ago, at a time when there was less research available, the FDA approved

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for all augmentation (as implied), or is it just augmentatuon using silcone (vs saline) implants? Whilst your version starts & finishes breast augmentation discussion in a single block (neat style), Drolivers version also inserted into middle of the paragraph mention of breast lifts and breast

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After mastectomy some women have their breasts reconstructed, either with breast implants or autologous tissue transfer, using fat and tissues from the abdomen or back. Breast implants can also be used to increase the size of healthy breasts or for male-female sex reassignment. Surgeons discourage

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I was glad to see the mention of breast implants removed from the lupus article. It is peripheral at best. However, the new "labeling" required by FDA for silicone gel breast implants (as of Nov 2006) specifies that safety and effectiveness has not been established for lupus and other autoimmune

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I have repeatedly asked who 'reviewed' this article, to no avail. I am not going to belabor Samir's actions or inactions. It isn't worth it. I hope that he will help mediate, and was disappointed when he wrote a section called "futility" criticizing new editors whom I do not know. I would have

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it for accuracy and balance (pointing out the mainstream view, which INCLUDES risks and recommendations). Hopefully we can do that finally. Outside Wikis perhaps, who are willing to actually read the article and sources, and see whether or not it looks like an advertisement for breast implants.

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What one person calls "pro-implant" is regarded as established fact by others. I personally disbelieve claims of systemic illness due to implants, based on the many large studies in this field. I've got a deep antipathy to the uneducated saying that "uh, I feel unwell, it must be my immune system"

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then, but nothing was done to correct these obvious errors. As a medical professional, you should be concerned about misstating studies. I pointed one out that was blatantly obvious, which you evidently did not read. That is not responsible for a serious editor who is willing to comment on the

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article about TRIP database was correct. TRIP is one of the best ways for researchers and other people involved in health care to find systematic reviews and clinical guidelines. Unfortunately, the articles about EBM are not very well expanded, and are too few. But if they were expanded more, TRIP

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each have their own entry; I am not certain whether they are exactly the same chemical. I have seen the terms used interchangably. Centchroman does not appear to be a brand name; brand names for Centchroman have included Centron, Saheli, Sevista. I don't have much more information, but I would

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article on alcohol (with wierd tangents) & environmental causes beyond sloppy and peripheral. There is real odd 1st person voice that gets off into areas that are (at best) tertiary to a focused treatment of this topic. I would personally like to take a buzz-saw thru the bulk of many areas of

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I think some mention, or better a reference to elsewhere, of ethical/licensing issues that apply to this field of surgery needs be made. Of course these issues apply to all cosmetic surgery (i.e. whether justified surgery in otherwise physically well person and what this says about self-worth etc

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on page 11). (By the way, the old labeling is almost identical on this issue, and this label is identical for all silicone implant manufacturers). The reason it is not established is that women with autoimmune diseases were intentionally excluded from the studies because there were concerns about

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The conduct of Droliver (talk • contribs) was reported at WP:ANI and taking a look at his contributions, I found a few very questionable diffs and a strange blanking of his talk page archive. I'm all for assuming good faith but this user seems to be unwilling to uphold our neutrality policies.

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Protection of an article is not equivalent to supporting that version. I agree that the article needs to be edited for improvement. No question. But when there are reversions taking place that frequently, the article can be protected. It is not a reflection on which version is correct, but on

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I agree that disparaging comments should not be made - against anyone. I believe that Dr. Zuckerman and I were responding to Oliver's attack on us. We surely should discuss misstatements of facts and sources. It would be good for everyone to be civil, as I stated on the discussion page. It is

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are available for augmentation or reconstructive surgeries. Any surgery of the breast carries with it the potential for interfering with future breast feeding, causing alterations in NAC sensation, and possible difficulty in interpreting mammography (xrays of the breast). The American Society of

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are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please

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By the way TRIP is not a collation of links, but rather a meta-search engine for medical evidence. Instead of searching multiple resoureces (like MedLine, etc) for a clinical guideline, one may search TRIP for the keywords in question. On the other hand, TRIP has nothing in common with the other

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Sorry silly typo error in my last posting re 18 vs 22, but I thought we were discussing suitable NPOV wording and what to include (still no mention of the missing other proceedures of breast lift and breast reduction not present in alternative version). Instead this has become a spill over from

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Dr. Ruben, the FDA very recently approved the limited use of silicone implants (for augmentation purposes, with women 22 years old and older), with a number of conditions and a recommendation that women have an MRI to detect rupture 3 years after implantation, and every 2 years after that. The

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Plastic Surgery and other professional organizations have generally discouraged cosmetic breast surgery in younger teens (< 18 y.o.) as the volume of their breast tissue may continue to grow significantly as they mature and over concerns of understanding risks and benefits of the procedure.

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with Droliver and other "pro-implant" editors, and not just cite more FDA reports. FDA reports are a surrogate for real science. Start by being nice to him (you may disagree on issues but he is a human being). This page is to coordinate 100s of articles. I don't think the content of the breast

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OK so "licensing" of silicone is for over 18 (does the FDA "restricted" anything ? - surgeons & patients may still legally use, allbeit off label). Mention of this though is US-centric - not situation in UK as far as I know. Janice, what about the 2nd point, namely alternative version not

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Not true, Samir. You deliberately chose a version other than the last version, to protect, because you assumed/believed Oliver/etc that it was "clin-med" reviewed. That version was not clin-med approved, or if it was, nobody caught glaring mistakes and overlooked the use of superlatives and

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What you thought was okay was extremely pro-implant. Is that okay with you? Is it okay with you to misrepresent sources? It is not just the source that is used, it is blatantly misstating the studies that are cited. Objecting to that is not "anti-implant". It is just good - and honest -

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I agree. Unfortunately, it's difficult to inform people about being cautious when interpreting scientific studies, especially when they are either extremely enthusiastic or have an agenda. Also, the news media definitely doesn't help, since press releases tend to have a major problem with

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of my medical school on monday to try and persuade him to let me start taking pictures myself or release some of the images they've already digitized under a free license. I've read the wikidocuments on asking for copyright permission, but I had specific questions I'd like some advice on:

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Samir reverted back to what Oliver had, stating there was a Clin-Med review (I looked, and there was not). Do I think there is an agenda? I would like to know who "clin-med" reviewed the article, but thus far nobody will claim credit except perhaps for JFW, and I am not sure that was an

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Anything with cannabis immediately becomes news for its sheer urban legend potential. The only proven cannabinoid manipulation in clinical use is rimonabant. I'm happy for large phase III studies to be considered for inclusion, but anything less is misusing the general scope of Knowledge.

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implants for cosmetic use with the recent approval (which Jance is referring to)stating indications are for women 22 y.o.+ which on a practical level makes using them "off label" if you choose to use them on someone younger. Canada (with their Oct. approval) used similar language. These

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is presently so heavy that no serious editor can be expected to keep up with it. I certainly cannot. There must be a way for the various parties to agree on some principles (e.g. not to cite case reports, lay press accounts and court proceedings where clinical studies are available).

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OK. So it is not going to be a "widely occuring external link" but what if we have an article named TRIP explaining the TRIP web site and its services, and we have some internal links to that article in place? Does it fit in your point of view? I guess it does, so please confirm it.

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which allowed for the hospital name in large and section headers. The UK template has a series of location parameters (locale and county), yet this one has just a Location - would not a country parameter be useful ? I've added the necessary code to include the picture (see

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has been upgraded, all hospitals listed in Ontario have had the template added to them and, I think, all other Canadian and non-US hospitals with articles using the old template upgraded. See below re issues of how best codify for the US. Next task will be switch over all

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Oliver claimed that his version of this article was Wiki clinic-med reviewed. I was trying to ascertain if it was. Clearly it was not. This is not surprising, however, since the sources used in the article you thought okay were misquoted and misrepresented, as well.

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I find it very odd that Samir is doing this, after I obviously stopped posting here, and have done nothing. I am not going to participate in this. If you do, then what are your motives? As I said, Samir, your threat is ridiculous, and looks pretty vindicitive.

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and I'm still not clear on what the consensus opinion is how to deal with these factoids. It appears that some feel that a separate list article should be created. If I may, I'm going to post for reference a few threads that have touched on this subject:

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not now a legitimate article), then the least he/she can do is to allow others to do so. As it is, Samir's actions do not show a credible attempt at neutrality. (I have left this, since David pointed out that Samir does not need to show neutrality).

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Agreed. And it would be helpful if all discussions on an article were on the talk page, including the feedback by medical doctors. Other editors should have a chance to comment, as well, I would think, or is it only MDs who are allowed to comment?

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etc) and so this paragraph should not debate out the topics, but at least acknowledge and link to an article that does cover these points. Perhaps a brief way of doing this would be to incorporate into that 1st sentance a linked phrase such as

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I can't determine which template category fits ormeloxifene; it seems it could go in Clinical Medicine or Pre-Clinical medicine. Ormeloxifene is widely used in India as birth control and as a treatment for dysfunctional uterine bleeding (see

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The government (and your tuition) pay the university's dues... why should you pay twice for images he produces? (This is basically just arguing that the above mentioned US government policy (on government created works) should be applied more

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The commercial use may be a sticking point. A professor made the point that they might not like other institutions getting "something for nothing" when the resources of the university were spent creating these images. How do I neutralize this

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I will ask it again. Do you think it is acceptable to misstate a study's findings and conclusions? Is this the science to which you refer? I was not even talking about an FDA study, but a plastic surgery journal which Oliver cited as a

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Thank you for your work, DavidRuben. I am unable to answer your question about the INN of Centchroman; I don't know, and I don't know how to find out. One source that may be helpful is the Medical Subject Heading of the NLM, in which

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Jance, plese keep in mind that the paragraph is not endorsing or condeming anything and went out of it's way to mention complications of breast surgeries and the aformentioned general principles about avoiding surgery on adolescents.

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I don't really understand how to use the Expert-Subject template or what other ways there are to alert others of this article's existence. Is adding the template enough or must I take further action? Can you explain usage of the

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As to changes -- Drolvier is the one who first completely changed the article, calling the other version "ham-handed". That said, I hope at this point Oliver, and the rest of us can talk. Please read what I wrote on the talk

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One of the owners of the Trip Database (lists 3rd party EBM sites on any given searched topic) started to add links to their site to multipe pages. This clear breaches spamming policy (adding site to multiple pages) and

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who think THC should be included in the Potential Treatments section. If you would like to add your comments to the discussion (and to review the article in general on our Peer Review page), we would welcome that.

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However the system of collating EBM resources is intriging. Do other editors feel this is a useful external resource to use? If so, then should it be added to articles not as manual External link, but rather within

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A professor made the point that they might not like other institutions getting "something for nothing" when the resources of the university were spent creating these images. How do I neutralize this argument?

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would not be consistent with your understanding of the prevailing medical wisdom - even though that prevailing medical wisdom officially admits that there are no long term studies on rupture or its effects.

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some women choose to have their breasts reconstructed, either with breast implants or autologous tissue transfer, using fat and tissues from the abdomen (TRAM flap) or back (latissiumus muscle flap).

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With tPA and related agents heparin is needed to maintain coronary patency. Because of the anticoagulant effect of fibrinogen depletion with streptokinase treatment, it is less necessary there. --

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Actually David, the paragraph I wrote was indeed accurate. For some background: There isn't a blanket "age restriction" on augmentation in America. There is some language in the FDA treatment of

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The current brief paragraph on plastic surgery, which mentions autologous tissue transfer as well as implants and restrictions on implants, is accurate and seems y the correct length (short).

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Another tack you could take is "... are you making money off of the images currently?" If the answer is "no" -- why not share 'em and take the lead? Did you mom not tell you should share?

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the database before, nor heard it mentioned in the multiple GP surgeries I have worked at as a locum. If we do add links to its EBM pages, then I'm happy to code up a suitable template :-)

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So despite having been that "itchy trigger finger", I do tend agree with your assessment of the depth of detail, so can I suggest you present your case at the Clinical Medicine projest at

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What concerns me and some other serious editors is that any medical professional would want to make a soapbox "FOR" implants -- to the point of misrepresenting the very studies he cites.

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Calling all WikiDocs with experience or knowlege of prescribing practice or guidelines for the treatment of epilepsy. Would you please make your way over to the friendly discussion at

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of Centchroman ? If so then wikipolicy is to generally have just the one article under the INN name (other brand names redirect to it) and information is merged into the one article.

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surgery is a common procedure which involves resecting excess breast tissue and skin with repositioning of the nipple-areolar complex (NAC). Cosmetic procedures include breast lifts (

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without a shred of objective proof documenting immune dysfunction. Too many diseases have been mistakenly labeled "immune related" while the evidence suggests quite the opposite.

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I've noticed that several medical articles have been hit by links or very preliminary data promoting the use of THC as a medical treatment. It looks like an effort to push the

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with the choice of tense of "are". With silicone product licenses withdrawn and yet to be fully restored, better and more neutral reporting (especially given problems beset by

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Also, a previous author had linked to valid websites, as well. What makes Oliver's better than another author's, to allow him to summarily delete them without discussion?

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Hi all - I am, very much, a non-specialist. I have been doing research on the history of peptic ulcer disease and H. pylori for my dissertation. In doing so, I wrote a

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So do I need to get the template to show for setting "HealthCare=Medicare" the phrase "Private, accepts Medicare" - or some other generally agreed series of phrases ?

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I have asked for a Wiki clin-med review, if such a thing exists. Oliver stated that the article had undergone such a review in his edit summaries, when it had not.

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the operation in young women because the breasts normally grow until about the age of thirty. In the US, the FDA has restricted augmentation for women 22 and older.

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Good, at least we know it's you, Molly. If you think Droliver is misrepresenting the results of a study, please give him a chance to respond to these accusations on

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about this. In any case, I think the endocrinology stuff (in general) could be organized a bunch. Sorely missing, IMHO, is a series of templates that list all the

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seem a bit questionable to me. The article on lowdose chemotherapy definitely seems non-NPOV. WikiDocs familiar with chemotherapy may want to check these over. --

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Please show me ONE place where I or anyone accused you of being a shill for the "medical-industrial conspiracy"? Is that like the military-industrial complex?

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TRIP was designed as a tool to help answer clinical questions for GPs and now more widely to answer a wider set of clinical questions. It started with the Welsh

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demented. Hardly an achievement. I strongly dispute the need to mention phase I-II studies unless the field near-universally aknowledges that this is promising.

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How I found the INN name was doing a pubmed search for centchroman in the title. The INN name is mentioned directly in the abstract of the first search result (

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saline breast implants for women 18 and older. It may be that the new restrictions will also be extended to saline implants, but at this point they are not.

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Is it possible to release a lower-resolution image under GDFL while retaining a noncommercial restriction or full copyright on the full-resolution version?

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Is it possible to release a lower-resolution image under GDFL while retaining a noncommercial restriction or full copyright on the full-resolution version?

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as well as the sequelae of rupture (greater for silicone than saline) and the cost of removing ruptured implants (also greater for silicone than saline).

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for some time, and would appreciate any help in improving the article. I'd like to get it to featured article standards, if possible. Thanks in advance.

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important to point out problems with the article, unless the majority (and doctors here) simply want to take one person's word for what is written.

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Your behaviour has been utterly disruptive, and this RfC is a request for you to comment on the same. Clearly, you don't seem to understand that --

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and shouldn't be placed there. One should only add links to the main page of the TRIP database in relevant articles, not to the search result pages.

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In the UK hospitals are (or at least until the Labour government started its love-affair with private hospitals) either purely "Private" or "Public

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that have not been studied or approved on children. I have learned a bit of something - that doctors can more or less do whatever they "choose".

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The change in tense is correct, as no one disputes they were used and it makes no implication whether they will definitely be re-licensed or not.

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I worked on it over the weekend. I've copied the most common proper re-categorizations onto my user page if anyone is interested in a quick link!

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have not even been recognised, let alone have an agreed set of diagnostic criteria. Drug-induced lupus tends to be anti-histone positive anyway.

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I think this article should be split into several other articles - it would be a good thing, I feel. Does anyone else agree with this proposal??

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I think your attacks against me are not conducive to helping with the article. The protection will be removed, but discuss the issues first at

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Moreover, to imply as Oliver has, that silicone implants are absolutely safe and there are long term studies indicating this, is flatly wrong.

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Here is what an objective editor wrote (but someone will probably call him a SPU since it is an unpopular opinion in the "mess lounge" -------

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Samir, that was an appropriate intervention I'd submit. The text that was added there was agenda driven from other topics on wikipedia (see

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and most sections of ganfyd has a resource section that includes a link to auto-search TRIP (as well as other resoucres) see, for example,

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If I may join the discussion, the article actually looks pretty good to me as is: how do you think it could be improved? I'll whip up a

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Why do rtPA and related thrombolytic agents require adjuvant anticoagulation with heparinoids, while streptokinase and urokinase do not?

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We should probably put one of those "diffusion" tags on some of our main categories and start cleaning them out, probably starting with

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I noticed addition and deletion of links to TRIP database. Although spamming is not accepted, the general concept of what was added to

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Hi, sorry my enthusiasm got the better of me, I assure you there was no intention to spam! I'm actually involved in the medical wiki

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them to featured status and turn the project Ophthalmology into a resource which is one of the best in whole of Knowledge! Cheers!!!

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I have an agenda? Really now, this is getting childish. The page is protected to promote discussion given the recent edits made.

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It is amazing how you assume that only one test and one parameter was abnormal and no clinical symptoms existed. I do wonder why.

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Note however that I have absolutely no competence to judge the current content dispute. Pascal.Tesson 07:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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reduction - these are missing from above alternative version, or did you have a subsequent sentance not copied&pasted above?.

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There is only one way for balance: plenty of comments from the wiki medical community. You need feed-backs to find a solution.

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A well written article has been written that summarized treatment of HPV in "college-age" patients. This article is located at

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If they create great images-- it will be free advertisement for the university as the university will be in the image credits.

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They can use the images others contribute and could put those together with their collection of GPDL'ed images and sell 'em.

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article) would be a rewording to historical usage and so bypass the need to consider current debates - so I would suggest:

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will usually show the INN of any chemicals which are useful as drugs (only drugs have them, other compounds do not): the

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Wear them with pride! (feel free to add one to your user page/talk page if you like. Go ahead, you know you earned it.)

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Plastic Surgical procedures of the breast include those for both cosmetic and reconstrucive surgery indications. After

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topics. The motivies and actions of other editors and of the real-world behaviour or attitude of Plastic Surgeons (eg

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Would appreciate your comments on whether the following text regarding silicone breast implant rupture is relevant to

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This is utterly ridiculous. Should these attacks continue, please be advised that an RfC/RfAr is forthcoming against

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TRIP is a very useful resource for EBM, and I think it's well worth a link/mention in the "External links" section of

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There's a couple of stub types that related to this project that seem to have become somewhat intractably oversized:

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but apart from displaying empty parameters, the content was pushed to the right... Maybe it could resemble our great

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I've history merged the revised version with the original version, as I view the new one to be a vast improvement --

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I bet he did, even though he inaccurately stated the conclusions of a study. Not interpretation. Actual numbers.

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Thanks. The section is looking better with that. I'll fill in references later if you don't have any on hand.

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The dopeheads are all over the place. I really do not understand it. Instead of just demented they'll be stoned

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Many who participate in this WikiProject have been involved, so I thought I would advise you of this RfC here:

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as a term does not apply outside of UK & US). In the next day or so, I plan to implement the changes (see

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is somewhat interesting... Not exactly what we want in wikipedia, but definitely has some good references.

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Could some here please give feedback on the very brief way in which plastic surgery of the breast (in the

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It is out of frustration, David. I see no reason to address anything more on these /related articles.

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This was the alternative, which Dr. Oliver did not like (that neither I nor Dr. Zuckerman first wrote):

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What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know; but what we are so sure we know that ain't so.

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obviously slanted prose. I can't even get a straight answer about who reviewed it, if anyone.

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Just a quick heads-up that this timeline has been nominated for Featured List status. Please see

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main article, but was unable to add much content due to a lack of knowledge. Ormeloxifene is a

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I have refactored a long discussion here about breast implants that should be taking place on

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underlying TRIP database is not yet notable enough for use as a widely occuring external link

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There is an answer (I mis-remember hearing it in the past). I just don't understand it. :-)

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Knowledge talk:WikiProject Medicine#Please_review_merge_proposal_for_Rickets_and_Osteomalacia

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I started one on Sackett and it is unapologetically focused on his Canadian connection--

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and will expand on that shortly. Once again apologies for, inadvertently, spamming! --

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Why do you want to merge the two lists? Personally, I don't think it should be done.

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with implants, and procedures that combine both elements. Implants containing either

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I've done a fairly major rewrite in a "sandbox" on the entry on breast implants at

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I received a message from a physician new to Knowledge asking me to take a look at

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Yes good paragraph that covers a broad topic succinctly. Two ammendments though:

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cited, and the risks present - even the local complications that are undisputed.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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resulted in the Prominent patients list being extracted to a separate article:

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implant page should be discussed over here. Jance, did you previously edit as

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the site isn't very active, with no significant update for two years. Thanks,

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I reverted the changes made to that section of the breast cancer article. --

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in *real* life there are doctors who have some shred of intellectual honesty.

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article. If you read it, it might put things into more focus--the article:

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I'm not yet sure how the articles have been set up to use teh template, but

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Knowledge talk:WikiProject Clinical medicine/Archive 6#Famous people with...

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Well, that was easy! Certainly clearer than my ranting "explanation"... :)

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agenda forward. Anyways, THC already exists as a FDA-approved medication:

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Are there any doctors who care at all about accuracy in a medical article?

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Knowledge talk:WikiProject Clinical medicine#www.collegehealth-e.com links

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where your opinions would be welcome. The sticking point is the sentence:

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and structure — they are quite unwieldy and difficult to search though.

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shows they have the same structure. In case of a "recent" compound, the

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wikipedia users - I suppose the trick is finding the right mechanism! --

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Could someone please comment on the external link added anonymously to

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would like to write an article on TRIP! Thoroughly justified, I'd say.

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not, why do the two different names exist? Thank you for your help.

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should have been linked from two or three of them, one of which being

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mentioning the other 2 types of proceedures (lift & reduction) ?

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finding a starting place for moving forward with consensus edits --

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is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found

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What you're up against is the thinking described in an informative

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I wouldn't go there. Odds are high quality stuff exists elsewhere.

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If you want that page to become stable, you will have to honestly

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could use some parserfunctions and cleanup, I tried to use it in

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still have no Knowledge biography. For DSF there is a NAS memoir

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Template:Infobox Hospital US HealthCare funding classifications

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is a must read for any one unfamiliar with the concept of the

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A while ago I tried to consolidate the colon articles under

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You seem to misunderstand or did not read anything I wrote.

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Eutherian fetoembryonic defense system (eu-FEDS) hypothesis

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Eutherian fetoembryonic defense system (eu-FEDS) hypothesis

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policy (not adding links to website one is involved with).

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Fortune Magazine. September 19, 2005. URL: Available at:

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I've had two different editors express concern about the

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Children's Hospital and Regional Medical Center (Seattle)

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available for augmentation or reconstructive surgeries."

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available for augmentation or reconstructive surgeries."

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Should we start with the subcats or clean the main one?

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timeline of peptic ulcer disease and Helicobacter pylori

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as soon as I can, and look for additional information (

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page. One has asked for a broader set of viewpoints at

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I agree with Huji. A description of TRIP and a link in

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Knowledge talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team#Stablepedia

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Excellent! Look forward to more eye-related FA's --

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I copy across the latest exchange from my talk page:

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What is wrong with this properly referenced version?

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Hi there. I posted a note about a proposed merge of

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that I would like to merge the participants list on

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If you wish to comment, please comment there. 2553:made a request to have this reviewed previously 2495:and then performed after new consensus emerges. 2168:using articles - help would be appreciated, see 211:Knowledge talk:WikiProject Medicine#Participants 3557:Medical Prefixes, Suffixes, and Combining Forms 2061:Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Chief complaint 2116:Talk:Colon_(anatomy)#Why_split_up_the_colon.3F 778:http://en.wikipedia.org/Breast_implant/Revised 3489:BBC NEWS - Technology - Learn for free online 2143:proposal to upgrade Template:Infobox Hospital 2047:Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Marvin Kwitko 2017:amongst us that would like to work on that? 1586:whereas I've coded the template to take just 134:Request for comments regarding merge proposal 8: 3633:Is it just me or are the subsections of the 3054:Also there probably is a problem in stating 2694:and such accusation seems a clear breach of 2248:other parties would obviously dispute that. 582:has following a test-warning now engaged on 18:Knowledge talk:WikiProject Clinical medicine 3846:of all recommended and proposed INNs, with 3405:Getting Image Permissions from a Med School 748:I guess this is one to keep an eye on. ;-) 219:Knowledge:WikiProject Medicine/Participants 3527:Good luck... and let us know how it goes. 3367:Myocardial infarction#Thrombolytic therapy 3360:Myocardial infarction#Thrombolytic therapy 4039:Recommendations regarding breast implants 3715:Any input will be appreciated. Thanks! 2953:http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/pdf2/P020056d.pdf 2706:status that all involved I am sure seek. 1240: 118:I left notes on the article's talk page. 2133:Not many people would seem to watch the 1812:his article on stats/experimental design 592:http://www.collegehealth-e.com/4/n02.htm 292:is up for adminship, voice your opinion 269:Template_talk:Infobox_Disease#Suggestion 4031: 2692:"show a credible attempt at neutrality" 2407:is generally discouraged on Knowledge. 1667:Knowledge:WikiProject Council/Directory 1257:To all CLINMED participants – today is 240:Knowledge:WikiProject Clinical medicine 215:Knowledge:WikiProject Clinical medicine 3976:Do not edit the contents of this page. 3441:(very) lame/incomplete English version 2150:), so any final comments welcomed :-) 1607:Thanks David I really appreciate it!-- 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 3685:selective estrogen receptor modulator 3481:Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1558:I've applied the styling features of 1149:Timeline of peptic ulcer disease and 7: 3582:Knowledge:Requests for comment/Jance 2755:Knowledge:Requests for comment/Jance 1848:Could I have a hand in depopulating 694:Invitation to an excellent beginning 3516:The Law of Unintended Consequences. 3431:There is quite a bit of free (i.e. 737:Knowledge:WikiProject Ophthalmology 698:Knowledge:WikiProject Ophthalmology 687:Knowledge:WikiProject Ophthalmology 2170:Template talk:Infobox NHS hospital 1918:There's no end to this silly job. 1195:Questionable chemotherapy articles 24: 3727:International Nonproprietary Name 3435:) histo stuff. 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