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interpretation. Archeological digs have revealed that the Indus Valley culture was not "destroyed by outside invasion, but... internal causes and, most likely, floods." The "dark age" that was believed to have followed the Aryan invasion may never have happened. A series of cities in India have been studied by archeologists and shown to have a level of civilization between that of the Indus culture and later more highly developed Indian culture, as visited by the Greeks. Finally, Indus Valley excavations have uncovered many remains of fire altars, animal bones, potsherds, shell jewelry and other evidences of Vedic rituals. "In other words there is no racial evidence of any such Indo-Aryan invasion of India but only of a continuity of the same group of people who traditionally considered themselves to be Aryans...The Indo-Aryan invasion as an academic concept in 18th and 19th century Europe reflected the cultural milieu of the period. Linguistic data were used to validate the concept that in turn was used to interpret archeological and anthropological data."

1949:), without realizing that Witzel is criticized for specific things like for his mistranslations and other mistakes in his studies, his ad hominem attacks and his political campaigns. Critical external links in the article were constantly removed by anon's and by Mr. Witzel, and the talk page is full of discussions why the critical links and criticisms don't belong in the article, even though other wiki articles have critical links and criticisms. You say about one part of the ext. links: "I agree that the "flamewar" external links are less than notable.", but the links where in fact added by you some time ago in the Rigveda article, but now they're not notable because after all they seem to reflect unfavorably on Witzel? Pranathi asked "who were these mysterious scholars", and you begin to write something about Oldenberg, while in fact the Oldenberg argument was related to Talageri and not to the Panini grammar case, and the Oldenberg argument was also answered by Talageri 2001. 1975:) But what is worse: Allegedly writing “enthusiastically” in an article about oneself like Kak, or removing all criticism from an article about oneself like Mr. Witzel? While Witzel should not be criticised (even though he is famous for his many ad hominem attacks and polemics on other scholars), it seems okay to stereotype and sweepingly dismiss Indian scholarship, and to sweepingly refer to it as Hindutva or Pseudoscience without even having read it, which can be very offensive (and many of such scholars that have views or theories that one doesn't necessarly agree with have nothing at all to do with politics, let alone with Hindutva). There's nothing against criticizing certain points after having read an author's book and in a civil manner, but to dismiss in one sweep all scholarship that one doesn't consider as "mainstream" as "Hindutva" or pseudoscience is not the way to go. What would be needed is scholarly and fair criticism instead of sweeping allegations. 1077:

the rest of the world. At least not in the way that such more clearly loaded words, such as 'cult' may be used to denigrate a religious movement. Searches on google for the comparable terms for most other religions (specifically Christian, Jewish, and Islamic mythology) all turn up more hits than for 'Hindu mythology', only Buddhism producing fewer comparable hits. Compare also comparable counts for 'Hindu scripture', versus the other religions. It may make sense to draw clear lines (where it is possible) between mythology and scripture. Few will suggest that the Vedas or Upanishads are not scripture. But the epics, with their large content of included literature that is not of any religious significance, can be perfectly sensibly be counted as mythology, even if some of their content may be scripture.

1972:. This person is also a professor who has done useful research in technical subjects like Neural Networks and information technology, which are not "kooky". Instead of specifically criticizing some of his theories after having read them, you sweepingly declare him a Hindutva kook· Then you allege with no clear evidence that Kak makes "enthusiastic" edits in his own article and even that the article should probably be removed, but when Mr. Witzel is repeatedly removing critical references/links from his own article, it seems ok. (You said: “Probably the whole article should be removed, or reduced to 2 sentences; Mr. Kak, I think it is bad style to write an enthusiastic article about your own person!” Dbachmann 16:50, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC) 2007:

example is the Witzel article. You are, if I am not mistaken, perfectly tolerant and supportive for Christian, Islamic and German Pagan (?) traditions. If you would exhibit the same prejudices in regard to other religions you would soon be labelled as anti-Christian or islamophobic by hordes of wikipedians, but somehow this kind of behaviour is acceptable in regard to Hinduism? Anyway, it's the end of the year, so let's forget this year and be less biased in the new year. Looking at many of your edits which are simply excellent, I hope you don't take the criticism too personally, but instead try to see some things more balanced and unbiased.

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don't find the same in articles of other religions. While this may be symptomatic of the tolerance and respect in Hinduism for those religions (and not vice versa), it may also be symptomatic of defensiveness and seeking acceptance among Hindu editors in these articles (POV). The comparisons tend to explain, glorify or sometimes even desecrate other religions - all 3 have no place in hinduism articles - i have seen all 3in wikipedia. I propose we make a guideline on the lines of comparisons should be avoided or should be minimized and only used when essential. Any thoughts/objection/suggestions? --

2003:. It is not fair to remove in one article the anti-racism discussion, and almost at the same time add an edit in another article that is one-sided and makes the RV look racist, without taking into account that many of these allegations are from the 19th or early 20th century and without trying to give a balanced account and refering to studies that have a more balanced view of the subject (eg Hans Hock 1999). Hinduism and Hindu traditions can of course be criticized for such and other things, but it should be done in a balanced way. 2062:. References critical of Witzel's political activism need to be from a reputable news outlet. Knowledge will not link to rants on blogs and discussion fora. I have done my best to sort the links presented, and unfortunately most of them were pathetic, attacking red herrings rather than Witzel. I did not remove the "Politics" section, and I do think that Witzel's political activities, and the apparent unanimous hatred of Witzel on the part of the Californian Hindu community should be documented, 1525:

prominent note on top that mythology has no implications of falsehood or/and explanation or/and that the religion does not agree with the term being applied to it's beliefs. Here we are applying it to the template which has no space for similar notes and so I think we should use a more agreeable term that those discussions already took the pains to come up with. (My next project is making the mythology pages also in line with the pages of other religions.)--

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deeds. Karma determines how you will live your next life. Through pure acts, thoughts and devotion, one can be reborn at a higher level. Eventually, one can escape samsara and achieve enlightenment. Bad deeds can cause a person to be reborn as a lower level, or even as an animal. The unequal distribution of wealth, prestige, suffering are thus seen as natural consequences for one's previous acts, both in this life and in previous lives.

1931:), Pranathi and a number of anon editors. Dab, I hope that you're not mad for some criticism, but I think every editor should be open to criticism, and this is especially true for otherwise good editors. You're in many areas an excellent contributor, but unfortunately there are areas where you are clearly not a neutral editor. One such example is the Witzel article. 813:? It has very negative connotations - whether they are true or not - they are scripture (some accounts and some philosophy) and the title should reflect that. Any objections? As a comparison - the Genesis and bible would be categorized as scripture but not mythology even though they detail stories about people and phenomenon. -- 1989:

asserted), but that's just because most Hindus have never actually read the vedas, or if they have, they didn't bother to translate. The Rigveda, for example (9.73.5) talks about the blowing away with supernatural might from earth and from the heavens the swarthy skin which Indra hates. dab (ᛏ) 17:30, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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bit complex, but in short Witzel is accused by his critics of dishonesty, mistakes in his studies, eurocentrism and racism etc, while Witzel accuses his critics as being Hindutva, nationalistic, unscholarly etc. This article needs some neutral editors, and I try to give an account of the issues involved in the article.

2066:. It is not permissible to pretend attacking Witzel on scholarly turf because you don't like his political views. Scholarly discussion takes place in relevant journals, and if Witzel is really as bad as all these bloggers think, it should be easy to point us to devastating academic recensions of his work. 1175: 3019:

and many more...) Many other users have pointed out to him that he shouldn't edit like this. Can somebody please tell him that deletions as a rule need explanations, preferably on the talk page but at least in the edit summary. Thanks (It should also be noted that he has deleted "negative" comments

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appear to be disputed by members of various divisions. I do not understand the issues involved, and simply have tried for almost a year, to keep sourced material, etc, from being removed. I am requesting help from editors who are knowledgeable about Hinduism to make sure that these articles are fair.

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I feel that those who see negative connotations in the term mythology may be, in this instance, demonstrating an undue sensitivity (and an unnecessary sensitivity) to the views of outsiders. I'm not conscious that the term mythology is being used in the sense of denigrating Hinduism by most people in

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Well, the article also points out that the idea of a myth being a falsehodd was developed by bigots who wanted to discredit other peoples' beliefs and is not the correct definition. My attitude toward people who conform exclusively to this false definition cannot really be put in very friendly terms,

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A fairly frequent source of conflict at articles stems from the problem of supplying dates for philosophers, texts, and schools. I was planning to start an article explaining and discussing this, but couldn't be sure that one didn't already exist. If it does, could someone point me towards it? If

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You also say on the Witzel talk page that "This is not about Indian politics, it is about an Indologist doing Indology regardless of Indian politics.", and thereby ignoring that Witzel is well known for his involvement in politics and campaigning. Then you also seem to say that criticizing Witzel is

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MW is a politically active and controversial scholar who has often been criticised, so criticisms and responses to such criticisms should be stated neutrally in the article, without taking sides for either Witzel or for his critics. Other articles on wikipedia do also feature criticism. The issue is

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page). Also imagine for example the Bible classified in christianity as myth - in Hinduism we put the Vedas and the Gita (not a story or account, just a philosophical discourse) in myth. Why should only Hinduism, a misunderstood, misrepresented religion adopt a misunderstood word that outsiders have

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I see this discussion has been taking place in two places. As I said in the other thread, Indic was a term that came immediately to mind, and after a bit of checking, it does seem very appropriate. 'Indic transliteration' is a reasonably widely discussed subject (try googling for this, cw dharmic).

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Some background. Witzel is a Harvard prof of Sanskrit who is a proponent of the Indo-Aryan migration theory & has come under a lot of criticism for alleged errors in his works. He alleges the criticism to come from Hindutva groups while the critics say that allegation is only a red herring away

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Seems like a reasonable idea. My only concern is that putting stories (or "history"/itihaasa) from this world (Ramayana & Mahabharata) together with stories from the "other worlds" like devloka (Puranas) in the same category, will again undermine the fact that the itihaasas have some historical

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I've posted a proposed standard naming and transliteration policy on the main page. This has the word 'proposed' in it, at the beginning, pending agreement or any objections. The proposal would apply to all scholarly articles on Hinduism, and Hindu mythology. It may be extensible to the wider field

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say so. I am understanding that it is accepted only in the academic context or by non-Christians. Genesis is accepted as myth when seen as a remnant of pagan beliefs or when compared to similar stories n other religions. Christian mythology will reveal many hits because it is extensively studied -

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Many Christians will agree that Genesis, not to mention the most of the Old Testament, can be counted as mythology. The important scriptural part of the Bible is concentrated in a few specific books, concentrated in the New Testament. Mythology may mean a collection of stories, without denigrating

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I agree in principle. I've removed a pointless comparison to Jesus from the Krishna article, and an even more pointless comparison of Gaudiya to Christianity. But there will be times when the comparison is valid and useful. This is probably more likely between religions that have things in common;

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can mean "weight" or "inertia" or "nature" or "duty" or "faith" — meaning it refers to the nature of any object in the universe. Thus the word Dharma when applied to humans simply means 'that which is a person's duty or faith, as specified in the scriptures'. So basically the scriptures dictate a

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I feel that practices in other religions are sometimes compared , contrasted and used as examples to describe practices in Hindu articles. I personally think that that speaks to someone familiar with those religions (which an encyclopaedic article shouldn't do - speak to a particular audience). I

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I propose that we formalise a policy on the names and words we use in articles on Hinduism and its literature. I believe that this is going to be essential if this section is to be taken seriously as a source. It should probably be made a policy. Such policy has been or is being created for other

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Just saw this message. The dispute is settled on the vegetarian pages. Jains are 8 to 10 million in all and are most similar to Hindus in their vegetarian habits. Among Buddhists, I believe mostly only monks don't eat meat. Among monks many, such as Tibetan Buddhist monks, traditionally eat meat.

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It may be derived from an ancient inscription translated as: "The country lying between the Himalayan mountain and Bindu Sarovara is known as Hindusthan by combination of the first letter 'hi' of 'Himalaya' and the last compound letter 'ndu' of the word `Bindu.'" Bindu Sarovara is called the Cape

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sadly, this article is very, very, far from being encyclopedic or even factual. It's a sermon. An eulogy. I made a few edits, but they do very little. The Vedas don't condone discrimination? Varna has nothing to do with skin color? I believe that many Hindus believe so (and this may of course be

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Hindus believe in the Repetitious Transmigration of the Soul. This is the transfer of one's soul after death into another body. This produces a continuing cycle of birth, life, death and rebirth through their many lifetimes. It is called samsara. Karma is the accumulated sum of ones good and bad

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The Aryan Invasion view of ancient Indian history has been challenged in recent years by new conclusions based on more recent findings in archaeology, cultural analysis, astronomical references, and literary analysis. One scholar, David Frawley, has established a convincing argument for this new

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Dab, I hope that you're not mad for some criticism, but I think every editor should be open to criticism, and this is especially true for otherwise good editors. You're in many areas an excellent contributor, but unfortunately there are areas where you are clearly not a neutral editor. One such

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A previous example of rewriting perfectly a good term because of what Christians may think of the existing term; the effort to change the word 'idol' to 'icon' some time ago in all Hinduism related articles. The term used in India , mostly by Hindus, was and is predominantly 'idol'. Whether the

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Any thoughts on changing terms like Bhakti, Dharma , Moksha to their english approximations or better still to add the english approximations in parenthesis beside the word? I think it's utterly confusing to a non-hindu or someone unfamiliar with the terms. But then again it hard to get a best

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At some point, the editors were trying to come to a common categorization across religions. Since editors, topics and title revolved around only Christianity though, I think it was only applied to Christian mythology pages and categories. For Islam & Judaism, the Mythology pages all have a

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article says, Myths are generally narratives based on tradition and legend designed to explain the universal and local beginnings ("creation myths" and "founding myths"), natural phenomena, inexplicable cultural conventions, and anything else for which no simple explanation presents itself. It

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also encompasses fictional, true or believed to be true accounts, so grouping the topics together should not imply that both are false or both true. See the Christian_narrative category for examples. It's not merely a name change because narrative does not have the same negative baggage that

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I'm editing on the vegetarian pages and am in a dispute with other editors over globalizing the page. I say over 70% of world's vegetarians are indian/hindu and their view should be included. They argue that vegetarianism is a british word, coined by the brit veg society and should reflect

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I'm not suggesting that this policy should be restricted to Sanskrit and Tamil, its just that they are the best examples. I'm suggesting that if there are names that originate in specific regions or languages, (and that name is widely used), then it should be used as the 'source'; i.e. the

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The original names used as the source should usually be the Sanskrit forms, if it is possible and appropriate. If it is not appropriate to use the Sanskrit form, then it should be the form relevant to the original language. Thus, the Sanskrit form for Rama, but the Tamil form as source for

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Christianity is spread across the world. Hinduism is concentrated in India and is already highly misunderstood and mostly seen exclusively from a Christian worldview outside the country. With this in mind, I think the title should change to something agreeable and equally valid - such as

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Some have viewed it as a monotheistic religion, because it recognizes only one supreme God: the panentheistic principle of Brahman, that all reality is a unity. The entire universe is seen as one divine entity who is simultaneously at one with the universe and who transcends it as well.

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I'd also like to suggest (for discussion) that the article name should usually be in a formal transliteration, but without diacretic marks, i.e. not in IAST. This could be difficult to do, or agree on for some names. I'm not in favour of titling the article on Krishna as Krsna or as

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However, many rural Hindus worship their own village goddess or an earth goddess. She is believed to rule over fertility and disease and thus over life and death. The priesthood is less important in rural Hinduism. Non Brahmins and non priests often carry out ritual and prayer there.

880:* The same article elaborates on how adherents of Christiany or Jewish traditions disagree on whether to call Biblical accounts as myths. I would say that we also have the same disagreement in Dharma and Indian traditions. As such, it is best to not blanket them all as mythology. 836:

But should we not change it. These days you should not to call it Greek mythology but Greek history is the politically correct term (speaking from a recent instance in a university). But Hinduism still gets classified as mythology. I have seen this discussion in several places -

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and unbolding words that should not have been bolded) were all "accidental vandalism" and now has changed it back. ImpuMozhi also removed the cleanup template and merge with Parvati although on the talk page more people were agreeing on merging Parvati and Dakshayani together.

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Dab (although you're an excellent editor in other articles) I'm sorry to say that you're not very neutral in this article, where you clearly take the position of Witzel, and this without (it seems) having read Talageri's or other criticisms of Witzel (like Talageri's

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a discussion about the "racism" subject from the Indo-Aryans article, and almost at the same time included again the "racist" Rig Veda extract where you also write "The tribes hostile to the Indo-Aryans in such warlike encounters are described as dark-skinned"

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statues of gods are called the one or the other will not change the views of the prejudiced Christian. Neither will this proposed change. Any change should be carried out for the reason of classifying material in an appropriate manner for an encyclopaedia.

1108:- who classified Hindu literature under mythology in English (outsiders?)? It is called Ithihas /smriti/shruti etc in sanskrit. You say that the Genesis and Old Testament are accepted to be mythology but my search does not (readily) show that nor does 439:. However, we should try to make the names consistent within Knowledge as far as possible, as well as keeping it consistent with both common usage in English, and trying to keep consistency if appropriate with the orignal Latin values of the letters. 968:

The term myth is sometimes used pejoratively in reference to common beliefs of a culture or for the beliefs of a religion to imply that the story is both fanciful and fictional. Myth is often used to refer to a commonly held but erroneous belief or a

3002:. The same user frequently deletes anything on articles he doesn't like without any explanations. (Examples are on Mahmud of Ghazni, Aurangzeb, Hinduism in Pakistan, Mugahl empire, Muhammed of Ghor, Ala ud din Khilji, Jammat-I-Islam and many more. 2795:(which I think is actually rather ambiguous), but I'm no expert on Hinduism, so I figured I would put this comment here in hopes that someone who knows about the aghora sect would fix up the related articles. Fuzzform 19:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC) 1942:, is above all criticism and criticisms should not be in the article. And of course all critics of Witzel are Hindutvatis, repeating the polemics of Witzel. You sweepingly declare that "his critics are nationalist. I don't think this is disputed." 3568:

I think Dharmic is a more accurate term than vedic. But as of now, the the naming convention focus too much on devanagari script. If the convention was named to indic, then it cover the southern scripts as well, not just the devanagari script.

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I have created a template that could be put on talk pages for directing users to the project page and for categorizing articles. I have added the template under the Wikiproject Hinduism notice header. Articles that have the template will go into

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I have not looked at the other discussions in detail. Is the proposal to change the terminology consistently to 'narratives' across all living religions? Or is this going to be a Hinduism only thing, while others make up their mind separetly?

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They are "a continuation of the Vedic philosophy, and were written between 800 and 400 B.C. They elaborate on how the soul (Atman) can be united with the ultimate truth (Brahman) through contemplation and mediation, as well as the doctrine of

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eurocentric viewpoint, with india noted as an exception. I would like to request some more Indian/hindu participation to balance the argument. This may be just my version and I'd ask that you read the discussion to get the whole picture.--

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There are also sometimes some other issues with your edits, I try to give some examples. Unfortunately you are sometimes also unnecessarily uncivil to Indian editors. One example of uncivility is on Zora's talk page where you talk about

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I worked on it, but later realised people all over India don't follow the same rituals. It differs from state to state and religion to religion. So It can be merged with some article instead of being a seperate article and get deleted.

692:) hinduism respects an individual's beliefs - all speaking to one audience. Hindu concepts can stand their own ground without being constantly presented from a christian or islamic background. Ideally, I'd like to see a guideline (not 3173:. I'm probably a month old in wikipedia as a contributor. My aim is to help balance "points-of-view" in articles that claim to be universal. I also like to contribute to wikiproject hinduism. Lets make some scholarly NPOV articles. 184:: the Rig Veda, Sama Veda, Yajur Veda and Atharva Veda. Rig Veda (a.k.a. Rigveda) is the oldest, having been composed about 1500 BCE and written down about 600 BCE. They contain hymns, incantations, and rituals from ancient India. 1983:

and that "Knowledge is not for them" (which thankfully you later crossed out, but it is not the only time I have observed uncivility in some of your edits). As another example, you also sometimes stereotype Hinduism as racist:

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are listed for wikification from January. It would take just a few minutes for someone knowledgable about this to wikify them. Someone from this project could do it. Is Sikhism also aprt of this project? Then there is also

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is the sixth book of the Mahabharata. It is a poem describing a conversation between a warrior Arjuna and the God Krishna. It is an ancient text that has become the main sacred text of Hinduism and other belief systems.

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article - comparing kneeling and touching the forehead to the ground before god to Islamic worship (simple act that can be understood without comparison); comparing temple worship to Christian communion (this says

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I have never heard of the term. There are only 60 hits or so when searched by Google. I think it may be bogus or very non-notable. If nobody improves it in a couple of days from now, it should be listed as a AFD.

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Strictly speaking, Hinduism is a henotheistic religion, a religion which recognizes a single deity, but which recognizes other gods and goddesses as facets, forms, manifestations, or aspects of that supreme God.

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classified as mythology in some wiki Hinduism templates. Ramayana and Mahabharata are considered to be history by traditionalists just like the Genesis is by christians. Probably the puranas can be called

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The proposal includes an suggestion, that it may be permissible not to use IAST transliteration in general, but to use a simplified version of it, and use the IAST transliterations in the first sentence.

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The problem about Hinduism history is that it is more ambiguous than any other religion. The exact origin of the religion is still not perfectly known and that Hindus themselves believe that it is

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Hinduism has commonly been viewed in the west as a polytheistic religion, one which worships multiple deities: gods and goddesses. Although a widespread belief, this is not particularly accurate.

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The deletion tag has been removed and I don't particularly object as there has been some clean up. There is till more work to be done. In conversation with the editor who had done the clean up,

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These three are firstly fairly important characters of the Ramayana. Secondly there are others characters in the Ramayana which are less significant but have their own page. It should be split.

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Anyone interested in coming up for a template for the names of the articles? Maybe put the sanskirt and/or tamil and english transliteration and english translation. The koreans use this one:

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The scope of any Indic transliteration standard should be widened to include historical subjects as well. (I'd go further and include all modern place names, but that will never be accepted.)

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the same as criticizing Western scholarship ("so western 'academics' summarily stand accused of 'shoddy scolarship' now?" "Witzel is again attacked in lieu of western scholarship as a whole."

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explain concept by themselves. Don't speak to a western audience or assume the reader has preconcieved ideas. (I guess the exception would be when you speak to common misconceptions)-Pranathi

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For Hinduism page specifically - cover concepts that are common across the religion. Note exceptions only when they are significant. (discussed this in the Hinduism or Vaishnavism section on

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was created a while ago, but no one knew about it. The project has been discovered and revived. Hopefully history enthusiasts from this project will help support this India-related project.

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During the first few centuries CE, many sects were created, each dedicated to a specific deity. Typical among these were the Goddesses Shakti and Lakshmi, and the Gods Skanda and Surya.

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Really? I actually named it vedic because I thought they would take offense to it if it was indic. So far, none of the buddhists have said anything yet. Are they even coordinated? --

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That article needs to references added in order to remain a Featured article, and could any day have a very compelling case made for its removal as a featured article. PLEASE fix this.

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Hi all. It is being discussed whether the portal should be deleted because it doesn't satisfy certain requirements, because not much work has been done on it. Please see the discussion

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BTW, I'm learning that traditionalists believe that both Purana and Ithihasa are authentic (though some of the Purana's are considered inferior - the rajasic and tamasic ones). --

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Buddhists have to admit Pāli comes from India but they probably wouldn't like it being called 'Vedic' because they do not accept the Vedas and the word has Hindu connotations. --

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Talageri 2000 and 2001 (Michael Witzel - An examination of his review of my book.); Elst 1999 and some articles; BB Lal 2005 (for references to a mistranslation); N Kazanas 2001.

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Someone thoroughly confused between "brahman" and "brahmin" is adding a line to the effect that Hinduism is also known as Brahminism at various places. Also look at the article

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Hindus organize their lives around certain activities or "purusharthas." These are called the "four aims of Hinduism," or "the doctrine of the fourfold end of life." They are:

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I agree, but I think the article name should say Indic rather than Vedic because that would be more appropriate - otherwise Buddhists would take offense or something. --

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I was going to post this at the Hindu mythology project discussion, but then read some of the comments there, and figured that I might as well bring it here instead.

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Could we add "Pilgrimage centres" in the Hinduism template? We should at least have such a category. Also, there's an important pilgrimage centre in Pakistan called

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I've created this glossary. It would need massive support from y'all to get completed. I think it's a useful thing. Maybe soon we'll have to split it into parts like

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I think that since we are explaining Hindu concepts in a language foreign to the religion we should be sensitive to the connotations of the words used in English. --

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Nice to see that this place it finally put to use. I think Sanskrit and Tamil should both be used to. What about Pali? or is that used for only Buddhist stuff.--

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Meditation is often practiced, with Yoga being the most common. Other activities include daily devotions, public rituals, and puja, a ceremonial dinner for a God.

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Maybe if you get the others to this discussions, we could start working here more like the projects. I wish the Hinduism article would be finished quickly. --

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has just worsened the Dakshayani page. Impu has made some other edits to Hinduism-related articles which have not been that bad. But he/she claims that my and

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in Sanskrit can be translated as "accounts", "stories", and "reconstructions". To summarize, this category needs to be provided with an explanation similar to

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and other). To say it a bit bluntly, Indians like Kak and Talageri are "demonised" by you as "Hindutva", while Witzel, with whom you also have Email contact

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have implications of fiction. Although everyone agrees to this type of categorization, because of it's common usage with fictional connotations, the term

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it doesn't, what title would you suggest? It doesn't only apply to Hindu philosophy, of course, but to ancient and mediæval Indian history generally. --

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The list of 18 Puranas in this article has 19 Puranas in it. I can't work out which one shouldn't be there so I thought I'd drop a note here. Thanks. --

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I moved the proposed sidebar up a bit in this page to make the page more readable. It's now at the side of Pranathi's previous post, not following it.

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Use of transliterations. I think that it has been agreed in various places that formal transliterations using unicode characters should be given, in

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His second edit in November 2005 (creating the article) appears to have proved too much for him - and his account appears inactive. Any takers ?

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mythology). The title automatically discredits the validity of the religion to the non-Hindu audience that connect mythology with falsehood. --

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Minimize comparison, contrast or using examples to other religions when explaining hindu concepts or practices. See pages on other religions.

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article, I would like some help with a significant edit of the article. It desperately needs cleaning up. I've listed my suggestions on the

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Now that the Vedic one has been renamed to Dharmic, both titles seem valid, so I'm not sure which one should remain and which should go. --

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seems to have some serious issues with Hinduism. S/he has been constantly using derogatory terms to describe Hinduism and its customs. See

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The problem is DB, what is criteria for classifying an article as a stub? Theres only so much you can write about in case of some topics!

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Sikhism isn't apart of this project but you are welcome to list it for cleanup in the noticeboard. The have their own portal though.--

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to go at the bottom of all of the major religious pages as a way to facilitate comparative religion research. Leave your comments on

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I created one for mythology too. I put it up on the project page. A lot of articles need to be tagged with thes templates though. -

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is only template here that uses mythology to describe all texts. I propose changing it to following - please discuss objections- --

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I need to know if we can salvage the old version, or is all of its info already in Knowledge? Thanks for your time and expertise.--

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Trying to a get a concensus on this. Your input is appreciated. I'm trying to move the naming and transliteration formating to

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that he is a "Hindutva kook". (“the guy is a hindutva kook. Can we say *that* in the article please, if he is all that notable?”)

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Deeptrivia, Applying the discussion on those talk pages to Hinduism, both topics (Ithihas and Purana) fall under Mythology, which

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Related to the above proposal (about which I am a bit confused at the moment), I suggest we make a "vocabulary" page, similar to

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Oh! Somehow didn't notice this (since the articles I was looking at weren't included. I'll add more articles to this category.)

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value and are not just works of fiction. It will be merely a change of name from "Mythology" to "Narrative." What do you think?

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Yes, there are always places where it is useful & especially with Jainism and Buddhism. But see examples i removed in the

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I have a question. How do you add the template when articles have relevance to both projects? Can someone give a criteria? -

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Well i'm surprised no has started this article. I'll start it in Feb (if nobody does) when i'll have more time (hopefully).

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I refer you to my statements on the talkpage of the Witzel article. Far from removing "all critical links", I would welcome

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Some use the words myth and mythology to portray the stories of one or more religions as false, or dubious at best. While

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Also it would be good if this page is achived soon. It is fairly big, confusing and will be reaching the 32k limit soon.

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millions of more clueless people where they came from, and especially in India, every sh*thole is getting internet access

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I don't know of any Pali names that would be relevant here, since we could probably find an earlier Sanskrit original.

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Well, for me, if it's in the Hindu Mythology category, I'd give that template. Everything else is regular Hinduism.--

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Some view Hinduism as Trinitarian because Brahman is simultaneously visualized as a triad one God with three persons:

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the article by writing it up in your style. Wiki-formats can be done later. In time, you will get a hang of it. -

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Some use the words myth and mythology to portray the stories of one or more religions as false, or dubious at best

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needs some sort of cleanup too, personal attacks and a lengthy debate about stuff I don't understand. Thanks.

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I've changed the shouting (sorry, the capitals) in the first few section titles above at the top of the page.

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is now online. Would anyone like to start to make a request? This will help articles with no references. --

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from serious issues with his theory. With ongoing edit wars, the page needs neutral observers to step in. --

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20-30% of Indian population is vegetarian - approx 200 - 300 million and is the largest vegetarian group. --

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Please see the talk page of the article for the list of issues that need to be worked on to avoid FARC. --

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to clean it up. He created the article and on his user page he says he will be focusing on that article.

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instead of the Sansrit word which serves no purpose to the non-hindu. For examplem unless I know what is

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Parts of the proposal have been plagiarised and altered from a recent policy proposal for Arabic. See

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That seems to be short notice, I don't think we will be able to get enough pics in 5 days or so.

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Hi All - I request your much-needed help and advice in making this a great FA! Jai Sri Rama!

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page! But I sent him a welcome message now and told him/her to not move his talk page again!

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For some background information on Witzel, the following links and references may be useful:

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but I just haven't gotten around to it. It would probably be very useful for the portal.--

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can become a very helpful page to search all important Hindu temples linked at one place.-

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Is there a way to create a stub removal bot for Hindu articles that are longer stubs? --

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As nominator, I noted "This article has been tagged for clean up since June 2005. No

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It was a name invented by the British administration in India during colonial times.

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but let's just say that we should not change articles on Hinduism to appease them.

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is totally biased is an exhaults islamic invaders. Could really use some work. --

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Oh, now I have a better idea with what is the purpose behind the change. I agree.

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Well, mostly for articles that are basically pretty long but still have a stub.--

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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All new and improved notice board. It's easier to edit and request. enjoy! --

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has a (currently empty)section on Hindu epistemology. Please contribute to it.

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because it was non-Hindus that classified them as such (and undoubtedly to

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such as between Hinduism and Buddhism, or between Christianity and Islam.

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OK, as no-one seems interested, I'll start this some time under the title

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many stories are classified as such, but any texts/stories believed to be

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I've heard many Buddhists don't eat meat. Don't forget the Jains. --

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It may be a Persian corruption of the word Sindhu (the river Indus)

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I am inclined to change titles soon. Please discuss objections. --

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the Destroyer, is at times compassionate, erotic and destructive.

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person's Dharma, but the word Dharma itself doesn't mean religion.

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and/or some of the articles should not be categorized into this.

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Please help support getting a stub for these specific topics. --

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The article seems to be a mix of Hinduism, Brahmin and Brahman.

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dictionaries include this definition, "myth" does not always (

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Categorizing the religion of Hinduism is somewhat confusing.

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This article needs a major revamp, including a name change.

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Californian Hindu textbook controversy needs a clean up. --

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Among the most important of all Hindu sacred texts are the

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languages and cultures. See the naming conventions bit at

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I meant using the english approximations in the hinduism

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which generally regards Vishnu as the ultimate deity.

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anyone know if Lake Rakshastal is a pilgrimage site? --

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the Creator who is continuing to create new realities.

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which generally regards Shiva as the ultimate deity.

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