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1923:, or Sino-Japanese reading. But of course native Japanese already had a range of words associated with the idea of benevolence, and all of these can be used in personal names. This gives names such as Hitoshi, Masashi, Tadashi, and Yasushi. They are all different, but can all be written with the same kanji, 仁. This creates problems, as you can imagine. For convenience, it is common to forget about the native readings and just call the person "Jin". This is especially so for a person who has become eminent in his field, as with the poet
1684:. However, I don't speak any Japanese, and his name presents a bit of a challenge. In some sources, he is referred to as 'Hitoshi Watanabe'. In other sources, he is referred to as 'Jin Watanabe'. Occasionally, he is 'Hitoshi (Jin) Watanabe'. Apparently this is something to do with the way the Kanji characters are presented. For the time being, I have called the page 'Hitoshi (Jin) Watanabe', however am now having second thoughts. Is 'Jin' a nickname perhaps, or is it a translation issue? N.B. A WP search will currently lead to
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scholarly sources, not mass media ones) prefer to add "era" even when disambiguation is not needed; I've written dozens of biographical articles that refer to the subjects' births, deaths, court promotions, etc. as happening on "on the first day of the seventh month of Hōan 1 (27 July 1120)" or some such, and I imagine
English-language publications that follow this somewhat pedantic pattern probably do similar, rather than the clunky "on the first day of the seventh month of the first year of the Hōan era (27 July 1120)".
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example, and there are many other reviews and references etc making this a notable independent publisher, as Red Circle
Authors is being widely cited. The tone still might not be perfect for approval despite several experienced Wiki Editors improving it. Most of the authors involved with Red Circle Authors have Wiki pages and are well known in Japan etc. All help welcome & I think they probably also need a Japanese language entry in Knowledge. --
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calling them by their names without "era" or "period", let alone your weird claim that one of them refers to earlier 元号 (as opposed to things like "Nara period" and "Heian period") as "period" and apparent refusal to back up this claim (I only have access to the GBooks preview, but that implies otherwise; if you told me that the non-free portions said otherwise I'd believe you, but your
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2205:) and we need to disambiguate the "subordinate topics" from their "origins"; except that no one anywhere calls the current emperor or his presumptive successor by their era names, and very few English-language sources call the Shōwa emperor by that name. So who agrees we should move the five last 元号 articles (or at least the last three) to their base titles?
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better now, and now if you check the BBC article the bogus info has been expunged. Almost no "English-language reliable sources" know what they are talking about when they write about this stuff to begin with. But a quick GBooks search indicated that "Heisei Era" got a little over 3,000 hits, "Heisei
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Well, yeah, but the reliable sources don't say what you claim they do; you are saying that the era names need either "era" or "period" and so are almost always written that way in
English, but the sources you cite seem to use those as occasional stylistic choices and not having any problem with just
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I make a proposal on this page, you show up and oppose it without citing any sources or actual evidence, I request them and then wait patiently for you to reply, you never do, and the thread gets archived with nothing to show for it. I don't want to open an RM when someone is saying they will oppose
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Manyoshu, which was written in classical Japanese, when in fact it comes from the Chinese headnotes to 32 poems of the Manyoshu, or that "令" means "order" or "command", when in fact in
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where it doesn't apply, as both forms are "common" and valid. Consistency holds more value in such a situation than scouring GBooks to find out which form has slightly more hits than the other. Exceptions should be exceptional, and you've demonstrated nothing exceptional about "period" that would
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Now that's a load of crap. If you're that impatient, go to the library and look up books that would have it mentioned. You can't expect everything to be done on your timetable unless you start paying me what my time is worth. If you can't do that, then you'll just have to wait until I have the time
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by scholars, which the imperial reign names, and the relatively arbitrary era names that preceded them, definitely are not), but we really should do that with the other 200+ 元号s as well for consistency; however, I would still prefer some evidence that
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Century Society allows for both, calling him Hitoshi ‘Jin’ Watanabe. If this is the case, perhaps it is too early at the moment to state that it is incorrect usage in the article? It's an interesting one, but personally, I have no idea. Certainly there seem to be nuances of some sort.
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I just changed the "Name" section of the article, but it could be improved. I would like to change the infobox, which currently says "Other names"... it seems to me this is wrong; this is not another name, it is simply a different reading of the same name. Unfortunately I don't know much about the
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You asked for citations, and I provided them. They are all reliable sources (some are even used as college textbooks all over the States). Keep in mind this was just from about 30 minutes of quick searching through them. And no, I didn't think you were talking about the periodization of
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The character for his given name can be read as "Hitoshi", so it's likely just someone (or someones) who didn't do their homework. I can't find a single
Japanese source that uses "Hitoshi". Not saying there aren't any, but I haven't found one yet. Maybe we can include a mention of that in the
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Thanks for creating this article. After the recent edits, I think the title is fine as it stands now, but perhaps I can explain a bit more simply what's going on with the names. The kanji in his name is 仁, which is one of the five Confucian virtues and has a range of meanings associated with
2672:—you're misunderstanding WP:COMMONNAME. COMMONNAME isn't about "which name is more common" (in terms of GBooks hits or whatever)—it's not about getting a few percentage points in hits more than another term. It's about using the name that's overwhelmingly most common—such as using
2522:-- I did a quick search of the GBooks preview for "period", and only came up with "Heian", "Asuka", "Nara", etc.; if you think I am talking about the periodization of Japanese history rather than specifically 元号, we have had a miscommunication here and will need to start over.
1866:- sourced to デジタル版 日本人名大辞典+Plus pub. Kodansha. But of course, actually his name is always written as 渡辺仁, the only question being how to read it. As Merlin says above, in many cases the reading is not fixed; perhaps having become successful the owner prefers the (Chinese)
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I was hoping someone would be interested in taking over the GA review of this article. The original reviewer has withdrawn and looking at the sources it might require someone with some knowledge of Japanese. The review can be found at
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context it clearly means "good". The worst part is that English-language "reliable sources" are supporting this nonsense, and look set to continue doing so for the foreseeable future. As many learned eyes as possible would be welcome.
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as the title of our article on the emperor, and in both Japanese and English the base word almost always refers to the era, with "Emperor ..." being added to refer to the emperor. Anyway, could you elaborate on what you mean by
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in order to be consistent, even if that means the more recent Imperial periods are titled differently than older ones. If it means that much to you, go right ahead. ···
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