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Japanese, it could obviously use some help from someone who knows the language. Basically, the article has a lot of information, but virtually none of it is sourced.
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Japanese Knowledge article', but sometimes it seems that editors don't accept anything that doesn't have a
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Japanese can easily know it's the surname 伊藤/いとう/Itō when they see Shinichi Ito. But just "Ito", not in a sentence nor with Shinichi, puzzles people.
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Romanized "Ito" cannot be Japanized いとう. It would be いと and there are two different いと in ja. 意図/intention and 糸/thread. It is interesting to see the article name of those three driver/racers in other languages. Some use macron, some use other letters, and some use Ito, Kato and Sato.
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