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65: 35: 1782:. It seems you think Knowledge is a place of war where the side with the most editors wins. Is your proposal about systemic bias part of your strategy to win this war? I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Knowledge and should go back and re-read the basic principles. This is not a war, but an encyclopedia where the use of reliable sources--that is, the truth--reigns. 1972:) for improvements that he would like to be made, and I'd be grateful if someone could take a moment to look at them and see if they are worth adding to the article. I don't want to get involved with writing content there as we have had some problems with vandalism and BLP violations, and I'd like to be able to act in an admin capacity if any problems crop up again. — 2309: 2266: 1758:- that would present an adversarial atmosphere for any incoming editors, as well as during interactions with editors of other projects. It should be enough to say that all editors here want information presented in a factual and dispassionate forum, with no bias for or against Japan. The nature of this task force would be akin to an internal police. - 2154: 1871: 1775:- I believe the vast majority of members of this project already engage in neutral and factual editing with regard to Japan. While all love or have an interest in Japan, they do not let it get in the way of following what reliable sources say about Japan, be they good or bad things. That is the fundamental principle of Knowledge: 2256:
the vast majority of the hits come up using the "ご". Of course, googling doesn't mean the "ご" version is 100% right and it probably just seems "rough" (i.e., "casual") to me because I'm used to hearing the "ご" being used. Perhaps, that's just more due to personal preference based upon the situations
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This is a very close approximation of what we have as the Korean template; the German one is a little more clearly referring to article space. I suppose the appropriate interpretation of the phrase "contribute text" is the problem. 投稿 is a little ambiguous in that regard, isn't it? Might there be a
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suggests is a good idea and if a comma is used then I wouldn't use "ご". FWIW, I do also agree that it's counter productive to be polite just for politeness sake, especially for what this template is designed to do; I was really more concerned as to whether the tone being used throughout the entire
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I think another thing to consider (delicately) is that a message like this might just encourage people considering submitting a page in Japanese (which is actually easy to deal with, or should be), into submitting machine translations or student essays on the Spot is a dog. See Spot run. level
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I hear it used in. I asked some friends, family members and co-workers about this and found that the younger ones tend to think both are OK, while the older ones tend to feel that "ご" is better, so it it's not like there's one firm and fast rule. Anyway, I do think that adding a comma like
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That's a point. I hadn't even thought of that. Hmm. Actually I think 投稿 would usually refer to article space, as compared to 書きもみ for Talk pages. And maybe we better just leave it at that? I'm fine with Japanese on my Talk page, but that wouldn't be true of everybody. (And yes, thanks :
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is being either (A) stripped of the (potentially) libellous, or (B) whitewashed -- or some combination of the two. Experienced editors who (like me) have no particular interest in the biographee or Sõka Gakkai are warmly invited to consider and comment on
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I'm not sure what the proper register is here, but the template is clearly trying to hit a neutral note even if that's a bit strange in normal 初対面のあいさつ in Japanese. How polite must we be to new editors who are supposed to be considered our equals?
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article nominated for deletion. It looks a valid subject, but requires a significanr intervention of an expert. In particular, it needs to be linked from other Japan-related pages, no ensure visibility and hence attract editors. -M.Altenmann
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Hey, people. Not sure if you can help me and if it's the best place to ask but I'd like a help with a translation from Japanese. I'd like to have the second (スタッフには...), the third (2Dで制作...), and sixth (『遊☆戯☆王5D's』におい...) paragraphs of
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There are two reasons that "ご" is not needed in that context. The user is actually unwelcome at here and no one asked the user to edit/contribute to en:WP. Using "ご" in the context sounds silly or 馬鹿丁寧 to a native speaker.
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Radically solved by Ryulong, thank you for that (the whole article was full of problematic unsourced content, so an almost complete restart was probably the best option to fix the situation).
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on Knowledge. As the articles in question fall under the general interest of WPJ we are proposing a WPJ Task Force on Anti-Japanese Systemic Bias (AJSB). Please discuss. Thanks,
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Can someone who is able assist me with adding more information and detail to the article about Japan's Security Bureau. Any help will be greatly appreciated, thanks a lot! --
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Since I wrote, there's been more activity in the article and its talk page by new, near-SPA editors, who all seem to have the same priorities. --
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I don't think it's rough. IMHO, adding a punctuation mark, "、", would be fine. "ウィキペディア・プロジェクトへの参加、ありがとうございます。" 馬鹿丁寧 is not good.
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way to indicate that asking a question on talk pages isn't as bad as writing in Japanese in the article space? (Thanks, Honyaku.)
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Just wondering if the last sentence of this template seems a little strange to anyone else or is it just me. For some reason, "
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How about this one? I added "machine translated English" to the message. I think the word 編集/edit can be replaceable with 投稿.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Thanks to all for the response. To me "ご参加" just seems better and is not really "馬鹿丁寧". If you google
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and would really appreciate if you could take some time to review it and leave feedback on
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Sure thing. Feel free to have someone check my quick and dirty translations. ···
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LoveJapanChika has been blocked indefinitely because it was clear that she was
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What sources are good ones to add info to Japanese companies like this?
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the encyclopedia. Rather, she came here to push a revisionist agenda.
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may be able to offer assistance. You will have to ask, though. ···
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The translation will appear in the list of warning templates at
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I couldn't find any news articles about the company itself. ···
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article? There have been a couple of requests by the subject (
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Hi everyone. Would someone be willing to take a look at the
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Please translate this sentence from English into Japanese:
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template was consistent. Thanks again for the input. -
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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
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Started by POV-pusher, we don't need this here. ···
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