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based on the cited Oricon number, "Another World" should qualify either way (I couldn't immediately get the cited numbers for the albums off of Oricon's site, but they also look reasonable). It looks like the RIAJ site doesn't list things that hit the gold level if they are more than a year old, only things that reach a million-sales milestone. Whether or not gold status is awarded and unlisted, who knows (it also says the company putting the CD out has to apply for the status). But there is nothing on RIAJ that indicates gold status for these.
2240:(ec) The redirects were overwritten automatically by moves. If there were multiple edits to any of the sandbox versions that's proper in order to retain edit histories, and in either event it is not usually considered impolite or improper to overwrite redirects. I suppose the redirects could be restored, if they predated the sandbox versions, but I am confused as to what the purpose would be. While empty articles are not really necessary, I am also unclear on what, if any, harm has been done.
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This is getting ridiculous. I asked you not to ping me. It is the courteous thing to do to respect that request, not just say "you can ignore it" and continue to do so. I honestly thought an administrator would know better than to annoy somebody who's asked not to be, and to essentially put words in
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the first charts are published. You had nothing of consequence to add to any of them because the first charts of the year haven't even been published yet. You essentially just pinged me to let me know you moved your sandbox pages with nothing on them over redirects I made. It is not a requirement
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1703:. And now that new article is creating problems for the article about the distinctly Japanese phenomenon that was roughly copied by Korean entertainment companies. Or maybe, they just used the word that was made popular in Asia by Japanese. Cause Korean idols are completely different.) --
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2860:January 22,
2843:Chūō, Tokyo
2812:January 18,
2795:Chūō, Tokyo
2559:Yes, it is
2514:WhisperToMe
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2451:requirement
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1419:All of 2004
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2835:The Record
2787:The Record
2767:References
1725:WP:CANVASS
1340:Politics (
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1558:Tokusatsu
1392:Transwiki
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2664:Dekimasu
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2527:Question
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2258:Dekimasu
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2542:English
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2063:Create
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1693:" or "
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2912:駿河次郎
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