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65: 1880:(+507) which represents most of the recent change. I don't think he deleted any names, just splintered off the "others" group into specific groups like "women", "ninjas", and "swordsmans" (sic). The edits he made seem perfectly sound to me. I also don't see any good reason to winnow down the list under "notable samurai". Most of these are familiar enough recurrent figures in Sengoku era dramatizations. I'm not particularly troubled by the order, but I suppose you can just eliminate the emperors from the template if it disturbs. I do have specific suggestion for additions to the list, but will make note of them under 2788:
Kisha; meaning: Sankei Shimbun reporter). This should be enough to provide a decent reference. Apparently, these sort of obituaries are aimed at the presidents of large companies and the relatives of the deceased, so it only lists the details of the funeral etc. and appears in small print at the bottom of the society pages. This is why the citation details are all so generic. The obituary says that he died on July 15, and that he was 92. It gives the cause of death as "老衰", but I'm not sure exactly how to translate that. JDic has it as "senility; senile decay; infirmity (through age)". Thoughts? —
1904: 35: 1849:. Recently, one or more Anon-IP editors have made some fairly major changes to the template, without any explanation or discussion. Not necessarily "bad" changes, but as the template is applied to a large number of articles, the final result would benefit from additional eyes and input. Some things to consider: Should the list of notable samurai be culled? Should some be moved to the "major daimyo" section? Are the various categories (i.e. 1870: 2271:
latter, wouldn't you say? Also, I find it quite hard to believe that my ISP is caching obscure Knowledge pages, such as Talk:Japanese particles, for up to two weeks or more. Plus it is a known fact that there is a design flaw in Knowledge whereby it often serves stale pages under some circumstances, hence the need for the "action=purge" nonsense in the first place.
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The "refresh" option is definitely an improvement. However, the emphasis/impression is still that the current time is likely / ought to be correct as displayed, and that "refresh" is an optional feature that perhaps you can use when the page has been open in your browser for a while, for example. In
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I got a helpful reply from the note I left on the Japanese Knowledge. It says that the article title is just "訃報" (romaji: fuhō; meaning: obituary), that the page number is "社会面" (romaji: shakaimen; meaning: society or local news page), and that the reporter is "産経新聞の記者" (romaji: Sankei Shimbun no
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On a related note, I've got all the dates for the "On this date..." section done, except for a few in November and December. Once the dates are all finished, I'll be going back through each day of the year and making sure they have a decent number of entries on each one (some only have one entry),
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This is slightly obscure but I am wondering if there was any coverage on EN or JP wikipedia of the 1909 sugar scandal involving the Dainippon Sugar Refining Co and several members of the Diet. I just came across it in researching an article and it seems to have been a pretty big deal with several
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The problem isn't the code. It's a problem with either your browser or your ISP caching the file. If they were doing it properly, you wouldn't ever run into the problem. There's no valid reason to remove it, especially since anyone with a technology-challenged browser or ISP can simply click the
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of July 18 2012. It doesn't give the article title or the author though, so I'm not sure if that would be enough for the English Knowledge. (Maybe we could just assume it was in the obituaries?) I couldn't find any other reliable sources online, though it was reported on quite a few websites. I
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It happens just the same when all local browser-cached files have been deleted. Whether it is an ISP caching issue or Knowledge caching issue is hard to prove, but the fact that we are refreshing the page by using the "action=purge" command, that only Knowledge understands, kind of suggests the
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correct when a page first opens, and is usually wildly wrong. So, rather than being the optional extra that the current presentation suggestions, "refresh" is normally essential. Really, it should be presented as "click this to get the time in Japan", however that is done.
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Based on what is in the stubs, it appears they are three of the Hell Scrolls (they are linked from the lead of the main Hell Scrolls article). Feel free to redirect them and delink them from that lead (or have the links jump you down the page in the same article).
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which updates the time only when the wikitexts are parsed by the server is hardly a user friendly interface. One of the best solution is to implement the function using a Java script like "UTCLiveClock" which can be set by Preference:
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I think this feature is so badly broken that it should probably be removed. Perhaps the other option would be to have a button for people to click to force an update, and only then show the date and time. See also my comment at
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so we can standardize content on the portal (especially in the anniversary section). This notice appears whenever any page in the portal is edited, including those not yet created. Please let me know if you have any questions.
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Hi, the "Current time in Japan" field in the {{WikiProject Japan}} box is stale by random amounts ranging from hours to days, depending on which article you look at, and, presumably, the last time something was cached.
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the feature is not broken, badly or otherwise. There is nothing wrong with the code. The problem is your browser or your ISP (some of them cache things like that, and don't update the cached info all hat often.
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mentions there is furigana rule (mandatory) for law codes, and highly recommended for official publications, but does not give any indication taht this furigana rule extends to newspaper publications. --
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in which case they should be merged with the scroll article. If they are about some general Buddhist concept, they should be expanded accordingly and the National Treasure category removed.
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Surely, it's Knowledge cashing in action. It's done intentionally, to reduce the load on the Knowledge servers. And the refresh button increases the load back absolutely needlessly.
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would be very welcome. This is a troublesome and persistent myth (if indeed it is a myth), which I would like to eliminate from Knowledge if everyone is confident it's incorrect.
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Yes, but you can't base anything much on the stubs. Did the artist invent them, or are they traditional concepts; Bamse asks the right question.
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I feel that Knowledge benefits if people are encouraged to explore. Thus Knowledge would surely benefit from mutual (cross) links between
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Also, it doesn't say the location of death, but it says the funeral is in Tokyo. Would it be reasonable to assume he died in Tokyo also? —
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already links to Japan right on the main page. If you want to add links to the portal from Japan-related articles, you can add
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Even though there's no real reason to do so, I've updated it to state "refresh". It doesn't change anything, though. ···
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I just modified (very slightly) the page you pointed to, so it only took about 30 minutes to work it up. ···
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on the talk page of the editor at the Japanese Knowledge who added it - maybe that will do the trick. —
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I am wondering if someone here would be interested in adding Japanese perspectives into the article of
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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#Furigana_in_newspapers_.28Japanese.29
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I've added a purge feature to the template so you can force your browser to behave properly.
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and I'll also be redoing the days which are in only Japanese. Any help is appreciated. ···
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Also, the section "FAC and FAR requests" looks as if it hasn't been updated in two years.
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And I appreciate your answer Nihonjoe, and I see the list has been updated a bit already.
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is a copy of the obituary of Sankei Shimbun dated July 18. It is not available online.
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the latter, but I doubt they need individual articles. Maybe merge and add a bit to
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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Can some-one who understands Japanese please find a reference for the death of
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Thank you for the quick response. However I have a complaint about the name "
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and also their present text suggests that they are articles on parts of the
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I, too, can't regard it as having been fixed. I'm still for removal.
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and some other user has deposited a response there. The JAWP article
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I can't find any refs, either, not even on the major news sites. ···
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You are welcome to tidy them up. We appreciate your help. ···
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I am not sure what the scope of the following articles is:
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to the page in the "See also" section of the article. ···
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Two blog posts mention an obituary in Sankei Shimbun:
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Refer you back to Bamse point about the scope above.
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Well, that's simply brilliant. Thanks tremendously!
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