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better, since the terms of the healthcare scheme may not benefit them for their particular instance. The same applies here; those who use the accompanying romaji aren't affected by the ruby characters and can continue to use the romaji, but those who use the ruby characters are the ones who reap the benefits from the new additions. There are some people, myself included, who find romaji difficult to read because Roman letters don't form perfect squares by syllables: as an example, my brain needs to process exactly when a syllable starts and when a syllable ends, which takes additional effort. Even as someone who is not a native Japanese, I find hiragana gloss more readable than Roman letters, even though they both perform the same intended function.
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were true, given what Knowledge is and what purpose it serves (i.e. fairly long-form text reading). While I use WP myself on my cell phone a lot, I rarely go past the infobox or lead, and save most detailed reading for later on a larger device. Am I some kind of dinosaur? And "mobile" can be misleading. My tablet is a "mobile" device, but runs Windows 8.1, and I use the full version of Firefox on it, not some limited-functionality mobile browser.
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reasonable and helpful. However, ("outside the quotation marks") it should be written in English, using the vocabulary and writing style of English, in which there is no convention of writing a phonetic rendering parallel to a word or phrase. So the only place I can see it being appropriate is a quotation of text, itself including
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So in other words, you don't "oppose"? Nowhere within the original post was a proposal made; I opened with a brainstorming suggestion, with two different options (either using furigana everywhere, or only using it to gloss in circumstantial cases), and it sounds like you're actually in support of the
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An acceptable way of using them would be allowing them to be an optional thing for editors who choose to use ruby characters for glossing when writing articles. In this case, it wouldn't be a definite requirement for all editors to use, but it wouldn't be discouraged/prohibited at the same time (like
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is ancient history though, IE and Chrome have supported ruby for a long time. The recent change in Firefox is just sweeping away the dust that's left with a broom. Even if a user is using a 2 year old Chrome client (keep in mind that even with non-admin Windows privileges Chrome auto-updates itself,
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Mobile support is a good thing to ask about, but I'm skeptical that cell-phone browsing is the majority of Knowledge reading today, even if it accounts for a substantial portion of overall Internet traffic. Do we have any proof that mobile browsers dominate Knowledge reading? I'd be amazed if this
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Well, what's everyone's overall attitude towards using furigana as gloss within classical text or poetry, especially if modern native Japanese texts themselves use them to aid readers? The usage of ruby characters should be situational (e.g. for cases where even native readers would resort to using
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or something along those lines) I'd personally think that there wouldn't be much point in adding the ruby characters, but ultimately I'd leave it to the discretion of the editors involved with the article and whatever consensus they establish among themselves. Dictating who can use what under what
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The point I'm getting at is, if there's multiple ways to help different people, why not offer both alternatives if they're not mutually exclusive and don't negatively impact the usefulness of one another? There is nothing to lose from this, and no downsides involved. For some it might come down to
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at little to no additional cost, and absolutely no existing value lost. Imagine a country with a healthcare scheme and a pharmaceutical benefits scheme; since the healthcare scheme exists, why would it also need a pharmaceutical benefits scheme? Well, for some individuals, the PBS would help them
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I would be okay with making furigana an optional choice but not mandatory. Its inclusion would be helpful for the people described above who can read kana but not kanji and who have trouble with romaji. I suspect that that's a rather limited group, though. There would also likely be places where
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needs to be reworded, regardless of which template works better for expressing readings for rare kanji. MOSJA currently does not prohibit ruby text because of how it looks or how it's used, it's currently prohibited based on technical aspects (browser rendering) which are already long overdue.
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to Japanese text within en:WP. This seems to me an almost universally bad idea. en:WP is an English language encyclopedia: of course, unlike traditional lang=en encyclopedias it has almost no technical restrictions on adding foreign character sets, and should quote the original script wherever
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running Android 4.4.4. In all three cases, HTML ruby displays as intended, appearing above the kanji (if a browser doesn't support ruby, it defaults to placing the annotation text on the right hand side of the main text within the same line, enclosed in parentheses). I don't have an iOS device
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Well, it has been three weeks, and no one has turned up who apparently has an interest in spaceflight. Still, I would very much appreciate it if someone with skill in news media research in Japanese language sources would take a few minutes to see if their are any more recent updates on this
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I guess it would work optimally as long as the gloss is used within the first line of a subsection or the lead paragraph, or if it's used within a dot-point, numbered line, image caption, wikitable or list. Perhaps people wouldn't even notice it
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Why would we need to use furigana at all? Whenever kanji appears, it's usually in parentheses with accompanying rōmaji, so what's the point of adding furigana? And I wouldn't say that using furigana is a "site-wide standard" at Korean WP.
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explicitly telling me that I cannot do so. With the way MOSJA is currently worded, it's overly authoritarian and does not allow editors to use their own discretion, since it directly prohibits the use of ruby characters
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2.) Upload photographs or other media related to LGBT culture and history, including pride events, and add images to relevant Knowledge articles; feel free to create a subpage with a gallery of your images (see
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and see if they can provide further clarification. Personally, if Inukai was born in the US or was later naturalized, then I don't see any problem with referring to him as a "Japanese-American". For reference,
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I do not think a Yes/No response to the above rfc would be useful (I would have to say "No"). The technical bar on ruby can and should be removed. I agree that in blockquoted Japanese where the original has
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it currently is). Ruby characters can by all means be used alongside the existing romaji gloss; readers who prefer the romaji can use the romaji, and readers who prefer the ruby can use the ruby. --
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Since it was just added, I would recommend waiting a few months just to allow time for everyone to be upgraded to a browser which supports it. I see no problem having it available as an option. ···
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need to identify as LGBT or any other gender or sexual minority to participate. This campaign is about adding accurate, reliable information to Knowledge, plain and simple, and all are welcome!
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We may as well start the RfC using the wording you've provided, they seem reasonable and to the point. There's nothing much that I'd add onto that, it essentially covers the gist of things. --
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since there are some kana aspects that don't show up in Hepburn: o-o vs. o-u (おお, おう), and also the distinction between the two "zu"s which, in Nihonshiki, are rendered "zu" and "du" (ず, づ).
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in the ruby draft, so it does in fact "in the technical aspect of things". The point is that "furigana" is a Japanese-specific form of "ruby"—a distinction pointless to make in the code.
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Using ruby wouldn't preclude using romaji as well. You could use both. This is just discussing whether we should remove the prohibition in the MOSJA so they can be used in some cases. ···
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would be perfect for a "Simple Japanese" wiki, if one like the Simple English wiki existed. It may be appropriate when quoting archaic texts, but in now wya should it become a standard.
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Can it be dependent on the article's official website, like if the subject adds the expansions for better accessibility? If they don't bother, then it's not a big deal to leave it out.
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4. No. As for 2., if it is really necessary to give a reading inline (how could this be so?) it should be parenthesized in the English style. Same goes for alternative kanji forms.
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using furigana in the main text or even the lede of articles due to its use in standard Japanese being restricted to learner's books or rare/unusual pronunciation of kanji,
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On the face of it, your idea seems like a reasonable suggestion. Can anyone shed light why the term "Asian Pacific American" is used? There is no clue given in the article.
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wouldn't generally seem to add English-speaker value to the English-language Knowledge (especially given the problems it would introduce), even if some special cases like
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gloss displayed above individual Chinese characters would assist readers who are not too proficient in Chinese and Japanese, but have some small degree in familiarity.
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Do editors here feel that this person is notable? She has notable works but that does not make herself notable as a person. I found a Japanese wiki page on her
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ok, well if we do implement furigana, then when will it be used? The only times I've personally seen furigana used were for either rare kanji or for written
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I don't know why I did that. At the time, I was just creating an article to illustrate with that image - I know nothing about the subject. The website
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The furigana would be most useful in cases of unconventional or uncommon readings, or if a particular kanji is rare in the first place. For instance,
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be required (b) the text should under no circumstances rely on it---the text should be just as readable if the ruby for any reason fails.
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I concur with Imaginatorium and Sturmgewehr88, on the main point and on Sturmgewehr88's response to Underbar dk's question, just above.
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personal preference, but for others it might be a more honest usability issue. Not all users follow the same useability patterns (c.f.
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Bumping discussion, so that it doesn't get archived by MiszaBot II before an actual outcome arises from this incomplete discussion. --
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treats him as "Japanese-born American" so Japanese American is probably appropriate. Talk about unearthing something from the past :P
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Moreover, if anyone who writes Japanese would be willing to mention this on the Japanese Knowledge in the Japan-wiki equivalent of
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By the way---how is ruby support on mobile browsers? There are a lot of them, and they make up the majority of browsing today.
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people come up with when demonstrating ruby characters. Railgun shows up every single time, truly a mystery of the universe.
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This is why I suggest they should be limited to usage as an "extra", from which the text should be entirely independent.
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As of May 2015, the Japanese legislature is considering legislation to allow private company spaceflight initiatives in
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also, mainly for the reasons given by Imaginatorium. Let us not forget that this is the English language wikipedia.
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can be tweaked so that the ruby text is displayed a bit lower, enough to minimise the increase in whitespace above?
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unless you specifically disable it), they can still view HTML ruby tags. We're talking about a transition from an
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uses furigana to gloss characters for clarity. For common words (e.g. perhaps up to elementary grade 6 within the
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and it seems to have remained as is since then. The editor who created the stub is still active, so I'll ping
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If editors exist with a technical or economic interest in the Japanese spaceflight industry, it would be most
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Can we not just say Japanese American? Why shoehorn him into a PC term that did not exist in his lifetime?--
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to have the furigana in such a case, especially when unusual or obsolete kanji or readings are present.
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furigana), and thus it should be left to editor judgment. It would really be helpful if I could fix up
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are two Japanese articles needing translating into English from Japanese properly if anyone can help.
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someone who reads Japanese would do a quick search about this legislation (in the Japanese press).
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What do you think about using furigana in the lead for rare/unusual pronunciation of kanji then?
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which uses furigana very effectively, but this is because it is a Japanese learning site.
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In the case where there is consensus for a new way to use ruby characters on Knowledge,
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All other use must have consensus established in the articles talk page beforehand.
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One use case would be when blockquoting, say, poetry—it would be enormously useful
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are? I don't read Japanese, but if the references are good, then I think they pass
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in the "See also" section refers to that Kyohei Inukai as a Japanese-American. -
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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and in that case at least if furigana is not going to be used the katakana "
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If anyone has an alternative proposal please be so kind as to present it. –
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3.) Contribute to an LGBT-related task force at another Wikimedia project (
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Knowledge talk:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles#Ruby RfC June 2015
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in Firefox browsers. This means that as of present, all major browsers (
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used in Mongolia-related articles. Though, what are the chances that
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Recent legislation in Japan is mentioned on the English wiki here:
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in whatever the most current version of Safari is in iOS 10.8.3. ···
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Help! Need a small bit of searching of the Japanese-language press
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may be exceptions, where we are quoting or illustrating the use of
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will need to be updated to reflect this. Currently on the
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Space_launch_market_competition#Raising_private_capital
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to pronounce kanji completely differently. (eg. とある科学の
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because it might help the Japanese beginner; compare
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3. Please give examples of ambiguous romanisation...
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