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35: 2060:/girls' culture, which a major and important cultural topic (the ideal of the pre-marital, adolescent girl) covered extensively by many authors, who trace it from Meiji literature and the influence of Romanticism to shōjo manga and beyond. There are sources across a wide array of fields (sociology, literary criticism, feminist perspectives; often focusing on shōjo manga as its distillation in the 1970s), here is just a few that I found: 1838:
via TM so this discussion should probably happen sooner rather than later. I'd really rather it be anybody other than AichiWikiFixer who, er, "fixes" this since they have proven to have terrible judgment & communication skills on article titles before (not just this matter). If Ahecht or others
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I found this unref'd since 2007. Basically it sounds like a typical sushi press (I've spent plenty of time in Daiso), but I'm not sure if there's a distinction for "Oshizushihako", or how it compares to all the other translations for "sushi press" from non-RS Japanese cookbooks. RSs have been scarce
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There is no legal restriction in Japan to name a town with a name already used for another town or city. But cities should be named uniquely, so it is pointless to name an article of Japanese city "City, Prefecture", if it is just to avoid naming conflict among cities. It shouldn't happen on modern
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I think it's a wider discussion that should be held first. But yes, I prefer the City, Prefecture style. Also, an article title is not running text - it's fair to point out that these cities might not be referred to in this form there, but article titles need to be clear and unambiguous. It's a
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to "Yamagata (core city)". Basically, AichiWikiFixer doesn't think City, Prefecture is ever valid, and seemingly would rather city names be unadorned or disambiguated with City (city) or the like, so I don't really trust their judgment on any of this. I do agree JPPLACE should be clarified that
1888:(Tōon, Ehime) that I'm looking at a place in Japan not something to do with Newcastle/something else, even if no disambiguation is strictly necessary, if the title spells it out; also the reference to the Prefecture helps implant the location, so yes, a gain in clarity, 1301: 1297: 1293: 1866:." to avoid confusion would determine for such as capital or designated cities to refuse that the same name. If someone is moving, some of users are not explicit if they tease that that can be moved for other cities, towns, villages on a time. I noticed that 1660:
in cases where there is only one town with such name. These seem uncontroversial and I've performed a few of them, but there are now so many that I would appreciate some confirmation that these requests are valid before I continue. As far as I can see,
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If that regrads to the famous cities in Japan that required to change whether there was disambiguation or not, but its notice says: "Even the prefecture can be dropped for world-famous cities familiar to most Westerners, such as
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Hi, let me be bold here - I confess I haven't read MOS on this topic or read but very long years ago and forgot completely. I could however boast I have some senses on this topic as a born-Japanese. My opinion is
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So you're arguing that the prefecture should always be included even when the city name would not otherwise be ambiguous? In Japan, are these cities never referred to without their prefecture? Unless the
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is very poorly written in this regard. The section is titled "When disambiguation is required", which implies that unique city names don't need a prefecture, but then goes on to say
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That makes zero sense, but AichiWikiFixer refused to respond even in Japanese, so I suppose it isn't surprising. Note that AichiWikiFixer is still at it at
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cities. Of course, most of Japanese cities are unfamiliar with international readers, so I don't mind the English Knowledge prefer to name them as
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want to clarify the standard to explicitly prefer not includuing prefecture, great, but let's do that then rather than let AichiWikiFixer do it.
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Just wanted to drop a note in case anyone is interested in kickstarting a new article. I may or not be able to help sometime in the future. —
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I'm not quite sure about policy, but personally find it easier to see at a glance when clicking on a lesser-known toponym such as
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is not explicit about this, but does imply that no disambiguation is needed if the town name is unambiguous. Is that correct?
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even the prefecture can be dropped for world-famous cities familiar to most Westerners, such as Hiroshima or Kobe
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trade-off, but there's a gain in clarity despite the loss in concision from including prefecture.
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could be controversial, if not at this moment, but in the future, potentially, on the contrary of
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includes the prefecture, it seems that this is unnecessary disambiguation and goes against
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International Perspectives on Shojo and Shojo Manga: The Influence of Girl Culture
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since 2014 it can be moved without disambiguation, and until they disrupt soon.--
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Also, it seems that there is a connection between these requests and
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Age of Shojo: The Emergence, Evolution, and Power of Japanese Girls
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Passionate Friendship: The Aesthetics of Girl's Culture in Japan
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Hello, I recently created an article for Japanese pop artist
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to this user can be moved that major cities per request. --
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in general, but having an obscure name doesn't help.
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That specific version of the article went against 1948:(Ikeda, Osaka) and many towns under the same name).-- 2040:Hello all, I noticed that the article at the title 1644:Japanese towns article titles and move requests 1935:, I rather say the latter is even recommended. 2111:(2019) by Hiromi Tsuchiya Dollase, SUNY Press 8: 1650:Knowledge:Requested moves/Technical requests 2017:Any opinions appreciated, please see the 2105:(2018), edited by Masami Toku, Routledge 2009:Best page move option for Oshizushihako? 1872:2001:4450:830F:1F00:EDF2:2378:39C6:4FC7 1822:2001:4450:830F:1F00:EDF2:2378:39C6:4FC7 1702: 2050:Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Shōjo 7: 28: 18:Knowledge talk:WikiProject Japan 1707:without leaving an edit summary 2125:22:08, 23 September 2021 (UTC) 2031:00:18, 20 September 2021 (UTC) 2003:04:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC) 1: 1958:19:34, 6 September 2021 (UTC) 1898:09:20, 6 September 2021 (UTC) 1880:08:45, 6 September 2021 (UTC) 1849:06:50, 6 September 2021 (UTC) 1830:01:41, 6 September 2021 (UTC) 1812:17:25, 5 September 2021 (UTC) 1795:17:08, 5 September 2021 (UTC) 1764:16:36, 5 September 2021 (UTC) 1734:15:02, 5 September 2021 (UTC) 1689:13:00, 5 September 2021 (UTC) 2096:The Journal of Asian Studies 1993:Hi there, I've added a few. 1273:Districts and municipalities 2071:Journal of Japanese Studies 2044:was recently redirected to 1981:01:21, 17 August 2021 (UTC) 1676:who was involved in that. 2140: 2084:Girl Reading Girl in Japan 1361:Science & technology ( 1751:moving Yamagata, Yamagata 1890:Maculosae tegmine lyncis 1354:Royalty & nobility ( 1217:Task force talk/archives 1933:City, Prefecture → City 1926:Town, Prefecture → Town 38: 1477:Related talk/archives 37: 1775:widely accepted name 1609:Search the archives: 2066:John Whittier Treat 1670:User:AichiWikiFixer 1464:Jun 2007 – Sep 2008 47:& archives for 2019:Talk:Oshizushihako 1402:= joint task force 1292:Military history ( 39: 1641: 1640: 1403: 2131: 1992: 1942:City, Prefecture 1791: 1748: 1730: 1719: 1654:Town, Prefecture 1637: 1619: 1412:Old notice board 1398: 1282:Gaijin tarento ( 30: 29: 2139: 2138: 2134: 2133: 2132: 2130: 2129: 2128: 2038: 2011: 1986: 1965: 1787: 1742: 1726: 1710: 1646: 1633: 1620: 1615: 1603: 1602: 1601: 1484:Anime and manga 1478: 1470: 1469: 1468: 1413: 1405: 1404: 1396: 1218: 1210: 1209: 1208: 58: 26: 25: 24: 12: 11: 5: 2137: 2135: 2113: 2112: 2106: 2100: 2087: 2081: 2075: 2048:after an AfD ( 2037: 2034: 2010: 2007: 2006: 2005: 1964: 1961: 1937: 1936: 1929: 1917: 1916: 1915: 1914: 1913: 1912: 1911: 1910: 1909: 1908: 1907: 1906: 1905: 1904: 1903: 1902: 1901: 1900: 1836:other articles 1789: 1737: 1736: 1728: 1645: 1642: 1639: 1638: 1622: 1621: 1613: 1611: 1605: 1604: 1600: 1599: 1565: 1555: 1545: 1527: 1501: 1494:Hello! 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