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episode article that contains one or two reviews, and used the overall production information about the season that isn't specific to any one episode). This is because notability is not inherited from a parent article, and all articles must stand on their own. So be careful when splitting pages too soon; if the material for the new article is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of the subject, or would simply duplicate the summary that would be left behind, then it may be too soon to move.
3493:. There are three series in that category, and I think it would make sense to move them to a subcat, but since the tree doesn't exist I'm not just going to create one on its own. Since then, I've thought about why this tree doesn't exist/appears not to have ever been created before, and I couldn't think of any reason why it shouldn't. But given it's such a seemingly obvious gap, I figured it best to ask just in case anyone here has any opposing thoughts. So are there any objections? 2003: 1971: 1719: 397: 742: 711: 525: 338: 457: 307: 387: 369: 777: 3656: 3598:. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are 1492: 3319:. As this article contains substansive history, it should remain out of draftspace at the very least, and stay in mainspace as of this point in 2024, either as an "redirect with history", or as a standalone page. There's no benefit in letting the 2+ year history rot away and get G13'd as a draft; draftification is 2967:
There should be real world content to accompany any additional split that is not simply a duplication of the main page's content (e.g., reception specifically for that season, or that episode; production information for the season or the episode), or duplication of the season page's content (e.g., an
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In this case the mover was not an actual AfC reviewer but the point is still valid. I personally would not have accepted but I can see how someone would think the amount of sources built up to notability. Generally if I see a spin out I decline unless they have tried to get a consensus on the article
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Apologies, your earlier message must have slipped my watchlist or I would have declined them myself last night and saved myself a bit of time. Reading your message the first time, I originally thought that you had a technical error in moving the pages. I was able to move them using the regular move
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If it meets GNG (a guideline), then NTVEP (an essay) doesn't matter. A merger might be relevant regardless of notability, but I personally think it's better to discuss episode-specific reviews in episode-specific articles instead of trying to synthesize them into a season-level review (which could
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added some broadcast information to the article, and I objected to it because it seemed like advertising to me. I can't speak for Newjunkie's experience in these matters, but I know mine is limited, so I invite (I believe with newsjunkie's consent) others to join the discussion so we can reach a
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The IP address removed your comments, but was reverted. The IP address have been resubmitting multiple Drafts without any improvements. They are trying to remove any indication of having them declined before. Little that they know, when editors' View history can see them. —
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IP users, I mostly understand. They're not fully part of the Wiki community so knowledge of notability and MOS isn't 100% a concern for them. As for Pete, it's really whether or not if they'll eventually follow the guidelines and, hopefully, become a big helper for
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I'd assume to the average AFC reviewer the amount of sources makes the seasons look notable, but the television ratings themselves should vary rarely be included in determining that unless they're independently notable (i.e. they set a viewing figure record, etc.)
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is a great example of the information that an exceptional season article should contain. Now that is a featured article and I know not all television seasons receive that type of coverage, so on the slightly lower end of good articles there's
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states that only new articles should be draftified; the 2023 move was in violation of this by over 3 months since content began to exist here, and a year since the initial redirect. Another clause is that an article may only be draftified
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I don’t see why it should. It was created, pushed back to draftspace, improved and, to ensure it wouldn’t be deleted again, passed through AfC instead of just being published. If you don’t think the article is good enough as is,
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Rejecting the draft won't solve the problem because there's still room for improvements in the drafts. The problem is the submitters not following the guidelines, taking the advice and improving the draft for submission.
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when there is only 1–2 sentences under Production with 1–2 reliable sources (rest are just ratings) and no critical response. Wasn't there a general consensus on this project that season articles need to pass
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They may get resubmitted again without fixing the problems in an attempt to get another reviewer to accept AFC. I seen this happened before. Not a season article, but an article about an actress:
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at this title regardless, redirect/article or otherwise, so more prospective eyes driven towards potential future improvement will see this article and its lengthy history in mainspace.
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I did make a note of NTV and what we generally expect to see at a season article in my decline comments. Hopefully any future reviewers, would note the previous reason.
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a while ago on the MOS:TV talkpage when I found six season articles that all passed the AFC process with only a cast list, episode summaries, and ratings. I'd say that
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Declined yet again. It's like they don't take the critics and fix the draft, instead just submitting and hoping someone will glace at it and accept it as is.
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have now passed AFC without any improvements since the last submit of AFC. They cannot be Draftify because they were Dratified in the past before already. —
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The point of AfC is that a reviewer finds it notable. If they had not found it notable it would have been rejected and required further improvement
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which is mostly plot points that belong on episode summaries, not character descriptions. No improvements since the last time it was submitted. —
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has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the
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My two cents: This is a page that was created in 2022, developed in August 2023 as the pilot episode of the Star Trek Original Series prequel
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to the draftspace because it was basically just a plot summary. It has just been moved back to the mainspace through AfC (ping reviewer
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is laughable, it was just declined 2 days ago and still not enough to warrant the split. At this point, they are deliberately trying to
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has been blocked for a month for disruptive editing and they had IP hopped 2 twice already which also been blocked for a month. —
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Hi there. In the first place, it feels that there are all fine. However I should be considering stopping reviews of TV seasons.
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This page was inappropriately draftified in November 2023, after it had existed for a year in mainspace, which I moved back.
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eligible to be draftified, but even if it were, there is an editor (in this thread!) who wishes to develop it in mainspace.
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is the spot to take it to if there is a strong objection towards this page existing, which at worst would result in a
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Yep, television ratings with just ratings on the episode table and ratings table are not enough to pass notability. —
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I have started a discussion about potentially changing the approach to determining the cast lists for this series at
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Note or direct people to biography conventions for articles on actors, crew. Similar for characters and episodes etc.
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Are the episodes titles really titled "First Episode", "Second Episode", etc, or are they just numbered episodes?
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Both 2 sentences production sections are about the previous season, so nothing for the actual articles season.
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since it seems to be more of a long-term NOTHERE disruptive editor rather than a clear cut 3RR viiolation.
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I also notice empty section headings for these upcoming seasons at their respective LoE pages that violate
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It was declined by an admin. I don't think it qualifies speedy deletion because it is a Draft for now. —
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They will probably get resubmitted in a few weeks with zero improvements again. May want to use this
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as well, they submitted the draft for creation and have now done the same for the similarly unready
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Forgot to reply to this when it was first posted. I also have no objections with them being merged.
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consensus whether to add the material, not add it, or some other in-between alternative. Thanks! --
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I'm not necessarily asking that you stop reviewing them, just that you familiarize yourself with
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all got resubmitted again without any improvements since the last time it was resubmitted. —
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was just resubmitted few days ago without any improvements from last time it was declined. —
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I agree that it needs to be moved back. A plot and a few reviews do not an article make. --
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Declined; I've added it to my watchlist. (On a side note, have you considered applying for
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I recalled this active discussion (having seen it on my watchlist) when I just came across
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Yeah, I talked to the administrator; it was a little more complicated than I'd thought.
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Both got resubmitted again without any improvements and declined by another reviewer. —
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I just declined the season 4 page for the series which was also submitted through AFC.
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I would be in favor of returning them back to draftspace or nominating tnem to AfD.
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At this point, just keep declining the submissions and get admin help with the AfCs.
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Noticed that this category didn't exist recently when I was creating/populating
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accepted for AFC (still do not meet the requirements of WP:GNG and WP:NFTV.) —
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that been creating a bunch of season articles, but has recently IP hopped to
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I just declined the All American article since it was still under review.
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I thought about it, but I don't think I meet all the criteria for it. —
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is not a permanent holding ground for potentially unwanted articles.
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are attempting to get accepted for AFC when both clearly do not meet
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was just resubmitted to AFC again without any improvements. While
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is recently submitted to WP:AFC which also fails WP:GNG, WP:NFTV,
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Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured lists § FLs for television seasons
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Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured lists § FLs for television seasons
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is still a just duplication of info from the parent article and
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I have tagged it for speedy deletion as a copyright violation.
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and could easily continue to exist in the parent article only.
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to create season articles. And then went on to attempt to get
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Discussion at Talk:The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power
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feature. After re-reading it, you may have been referencing
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trying to get resubmitted again without any improvements. —
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talk page, and I know others do similar but not all. Cheers
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that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.
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is a just duplication of info from the parent article.
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I think you do suit the requirements. You never know.
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