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1545:. Both of these were lower-quality articles (the "utilization" one looked like it might have been a high school essay, but a referenced one, with offline references to a number of books; the "health system" one was woefully underreferenced), but were tagged for merging in the hopes that something from them might have been used to expand the main health article, which is needlessly short. Just today, what seems to be one anonymous user (first using
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Americans could claim they had killed huge numbers of VC despite being outnumbered in certain battles during the war, then I guess
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1293:'s Le Duan campus; its campuses are spread really far apart, so I'm not too sure I'll be able to get any of the others. I should be able to swing by some of the others, too, like the downtown campus of Duy Tan, Dong A, and others that are close. Coming back to HCMC later in the month, and will snap a few more shots then. --
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embarrassed them rather quickly. In NV there is no such mechanism. Your claim that US historians and journalists only interview US eyewitnesses is not correct for the former, and they are not involved, unlike a current army newspaper. As for kill ratios, one obvious reason is that they had much more
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website (for the locations of train stations). The question is, given the fact that he's provided his own sources, is this map a reliable source, despite the fact that it's an amateur creation that's mainly been made available through forums? I'd certainly like to be able to use it more, since it's
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as soon as possible. I can't guarantee that I'll be able to honour all requests, as I will have other things to do in each place and I may not be able to get to certain out-of-the-way places, but I figured I'd throw out a notice in case I could be of service to anyone out there. Chúc mừng năm mới!
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Vietnam after the Vietminh victory. The figures are sourced from R.J. Rummel, who is crap, a Heritage-Foundation level scholar with a serious slant: his sources for Vietcong versus North Vietnamese vs civilians killed in 1965-1975 era are the
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Hi all, thanks for bringing this thread to my attention. I don't feel like justifying myself for using
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Thanks for your efforts on it! I originally thought the essays could be saved and refactored, but I guess it's better to just delete the cruft for the sake of maintaining article quality (and getting rid of possible copyvios). I've actually kept a copy of the "View of health and illness" in my
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see the ad hominems on the article talk page. English-language Knowledge should welcome all editors who can write English to native or near-native standard. We shouldn't be bitching at each other for only being fluent in two or three languages.
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I'm doing a little bit of basic cleanup, i.e. taking out nearly all of the Vietnam Health System material which is an unsourced essay about health systems in general. See what you think when you're back from your travels. Happy New Year!
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the universities in the two cities, no articles currently have photos. Ideally for each, a photo of the main administrative building and one or more photos with students in - students outside a teaching building, a residence block.
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I inserted some subsections into the Divided Period, mainly so I could make sense of it myself. It might be a bit rough and ready though. If you can do it better or can add to or improve this high-importance article, please do.
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Kauffner, your behavior towards Dr. Blofeld is unacceptable. As Dr. Blofeld said, this is Knowledge and not Britannica or Lonely Planet. This convention is used everywhere for South East Asian and East Asian articles.
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A rather brutish way to establish consensus, but someone is requesting users comment (or "vote") on whether some Chinese characters should be included in this article. Please take a look if you would be so kind.
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you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here:
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