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supporters of the former southern states object to it and would prefer the confederate flag. In international politics it is usually considered an act of war, which is why the
Vietnamese flag is universally recognised and accepted by all countries and international bodies. National flags do, by definition, represent the entire country, regardless of what those people think of the government. It is what all sports people compete under, all international performers use, etc. Not because they support any particular government or politics, just because (to anyone who grew up in Vietnam) that is the flag that represents all Vietnam and Vietnamese people. I'm certainly not going to let anyone remove the Australian flag from Wikiproject Australia, even though I want to get rid of its government, so don't remove the Vietnamese flag from everything. It is offensive to do so.
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have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in
January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at
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consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.
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Carl, your edits and work to fill in blanks are great, but you have to bear in mind, not all will be in agreement with your view. The
Iranian and Burmese wikiprojects, to name two, do not use the present national flag on their pages in deference to exiles and refugees from the present governments, of
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It really does need to be the flag. The suppression of the
Vietnamese flag really is extremely offensive, especially given the comments by Chris and LordAmeth. If you don't believe it is offensive, I suggest you go to Wikiproject USA and announce that you will be removing the US flag from it because
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Hi folks. When John Carter started the project page for us here, he had included the red flag with the star, which is not specifically an indigenous
Vietnamese design, and may not be acceptable to all users. I substituted with a map of the country, and a photo for the portal link. Is there an emblem
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I'm not sure how to take the word "omnipresent" here. :) In any event, it wouldn't make sense for an active project to merge with a project proposal, particularly if the proposal doesn't have it's own active page yet. But, once the project is active, then there really wouldn't be any objections from
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Thanks--if this was an originally typically Khmer soup style (which I'm inclined to believe), then the wording could simply be changed to reflect that the Khmers were originally indigenous to the area and maintain a significant cultural presence in the modern day. We do want to be as comprehensive
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I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with my political views for or against the current communist regime, and everything to do with the fact that that regime is a recent development and had nothing to do with the traditional culture, art, architecture, and pre-colonial history which I study. It's
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proposal for an appreciation week to end on
Knowledge Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who
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are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please
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I think what the editor had in mind (and it makes good sense to me) is that instead of reinventing the wheel, taking the existing WikiProject
Vietnamese provinces project that is smaller in scope but inactive, broadening the scope and making it a project for all of Vietnam. I think "merge" is
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Vietnam is not intrinsically linked with Vietnam, as is the case of Australia and the US. Vietnam had historically used many flags, and this one is just the latest in a series of successive flags. Furthermore, not all people in Vietnam were born under this flag. In the
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It could be done. The only major questions which might come up arise when someone who isn't a member of the proejct decides to add the banner to a page, because they would most likely use the most common phrasing. But redirects to the other options could clearly be created.
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I did what I could but there are about half dozen questions about the meaning, because the original wording was coming from someone with somewhat limited
English. We might have to ask that editor what s/he meant by some of these things (I've added hidden editing comments).
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I think the map or the flag is not much distinguished, but I prefer the flag (opinion only). However, the photo in the portal link (Ha Long bay) is no way specific to
Vietnam. This is a list of national emblems (forgive me if I'm wrong, just based on what I learned at
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The project could probably stand having a sidebar to allow ready access to the project's various pages. Also, would the members of the project want a Articles page which could be kept to make it easier for the members to keep up with changes to the project's articles?
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Hi. Please note that when tagging with WPVN, you need to use "class=" not "quality=" otherwise the category won't be activated. A lot of the things are not activated and are "unassessed" because the varibale name is not typed in correctly (caps sensitive it seems).
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Great work, ladies and gentleman, in creating this project. First of all, may I propose that we change the template name from "WikiProject Vietnam" to "WPVIETNAM" to make it easier to type? Like WPCHINA, it's easier when putting in dozens of templates at a time.
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Folks, I just want to congratulate and thank everyone for their hard work in building this project! Even where there is disagreement, this group has about the least strife of any I have been involved in, and I am proud to be counted among all of you! :)
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I nominated this for deletion prior to the creation of this project. If someone wants to actually write a good article on youth orgs within Vietnam, I would support that. It looks like this was the stub ends of another article.
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where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention.
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the same as if I were studying Han Dynasty poets or Song Dynasty painters and labeling them under the current People's Republic of China flag. It's not a political thing, but a cultural and historical and chronological thing.
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or design or photo that is representative of all Vietnam and is not contentious with anybody? Is there a national mascot or flower or bird or famous building, or, heck, even a dinosaur? :) Please let me know.
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