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all this confusion). It doesn't include the
Pakistan controlled Kashmir (Gilgit-Baltistan, Azad Kashmir) or China controlled Kashmir (Aksai Chin, Trans-Karakoram Tract). In short, the term is almost never used for the whole Kashmir. Redirecting to Kashmir would be totally factually inaccurate. Imagine redirecting England to the United Kingdom. A reader with only a very basic understanding of the administrative setup may confuse the two, but thats not a reason for a redirect!
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currently exists. Srinagar is a place in Jammu and
Kashmir union territory, not Jammu and Kashmir state, since the state no longer exists. A similar logic applies for all the categories. Subpages like 'Mass graves in Jammu and Kashmir' will also be about graves in the existing administrative unit, and so on. The is no scope for a 'Mass graves in Jammu and Kashmir (former state)', so moving wouldn't be required in any of these cases.
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The premise of the above vote is based on a wrong assumption. 'Jammu and
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better? It describes "a region administered by India". And I don't know if there's a difference with Indian or
Pakistani English, but to me, the terms "administered" and "controlled" are fairly neutral and responsible, not raising as many red flags as something like "occupied" would.
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