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reassigned or else have sufficient specific categories already and should not be in a generic category like history. History had eight sub-cats and six of them were cross-cats that were already adequately located elsewhere, especially under the country or competition headings. The other two history cats were small specific items that should both be elsewhere: Olympics under competitions and Years under first-class cricket.
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Level 3 should be the main sub-categories. For example, under skills at level 2 the level 3 cats would be batting, bowling, umpiring, etc. as above. Generally, there should be no pages at level 2 except for the standalone categories like culture, images and stubs. A couple of the level 2 cats like
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The history category is currently under comprehensive review and most if not all articles and sub-cats will be redeployed at more appropriate or relevant locations in the structure, especially under country, people and competition categories. This is subject to handling of the generic history items.
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is already set up and populated by cricket players (and reflects the same categories that were set up for the other major cricket-playing nations), and (ii) (not denigrating bowls) I expect that the cricket category would have more entries than a bowls category, my preference would be for the cricket
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I'm not convinced there's enough material to warrant further subcategorisation like that. Personally, I'd rather see 100 links in one category about cricket than links to 15 subcategories, each containing 6 or 7 items. If the number gets much bigger, sure, splitting them up could be useful to make it
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Whoa! I see you've started. Before you go too far, I think splitting players by skill is going too far. Who says who qualifies as a batsman or a bowler or an all-rounder? The boundaries are a bit too subjective for my liking. And besides, I'd rather look at a list of cricketers than a list of batsmen
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Cricket history \ ----------------------Cricket / / / Australian cricket--\ Cricket rules / /
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It has been evident to me for some time that there is no structure to the categories; that there are stray articles all over the place; that categories that were designed for generic items and as "holding categories" for relevant sub-categories are simply being used as additional bases for specific
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It is very important to appreciate the difference between the generic and the specific. This folder is very much generic and so it should not contain pages that are appropriate to specific categories. This principle applies throughout the structure. So, whereas it is entirely appropriate to find
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I'm not going to argue if you have time to sort it all out (!) but surely we also think we need some sub-categories to deal with things other than cricketers. I think we could sensibly organise articles in sub-categories for, for example, bowling, types of cricket, cricket teams, and so on - as I
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I think cricketers should 'not' be included in the Category:Cricket, as they fall under it hierarchically by the above scheme (now partially implemented). If all the cricketers were to be listed here they would swamp the other cricket topics. If there are no objections, I'm going to start removing
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The worst categories of all are history, teams and Tests which frankly need completely restructuring or demolishing. They are a disgrace and I am especially embarrassed by history as I started it and put most of the original effort into it. History is carrying surplus articles that should be
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Ideally, there should never be more than about a dozen sub-categories under one category at any level (in cricket terms, the limit is the XI with perhaps a 12th man added on!). That being so, the ideal position in this folder is to have a reduced number of categories by means of merger or
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Well it will only be a day or two until most of the subcategories are created. The good thing about specific groups, I guess, is that once someone is in "Australian batsmen" and you want to change some groups above that, you only need to change "Australian batsmen"'s category, not all the
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of this category is to act as the root for the entire cricket hierarchical structure within WP. Using a methodical, structured, top-down approach, it should be relatively easy for any reader or contributor to locate a relevant sub-category at the appropriate level of the structure.
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No rush here, but I have some issues with your categorisation of cricketers. Firstly, I think they ought to be in the top level, e.g. Secondly, I find the terms such as "English bowlers" ambiguous as I think that should be reserved for somebody who plays
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Sounds good to me. I was thinking we should start doing this, at least for a Cricketers subcategory. But the amount of work involved was too daunting for me to start! But by all means, I'm in support of it if you want to get it off the ground. :-) --
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manageable, but I don't think it's too big just yet, although I'll concede much beyond 100 will start to get unwieldy. That's my opinion of course. Maybe we can tackle it in a few weeks/months when there's more articles (and we have more time)? --
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I have identified 28 categories under Cricket and there should only be 10! As a rule of thumb, I would say that the number of sub-cats in one category should be a cricket team (plus perhaps an umpire) and that an XI (or a dozen) is the
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I have already started sorting out much of this mess but I will not change the root category's sub-cats until members have had chance to read this and respond to it. Pending any feedback, I will change the root cat on
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Most cricketers who have existing WP entries have batsman, bowler, keeper or all-rounder in their intro paragraphs. If it's border-line, they're an all-rounder :) If still unsure, just list directly under cricketers!
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What makes it worse is that I have been trying to get other cricket people interested in using WP for cricket reference and their feedback has been critical to say the least.
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individuals. I've already made some changes from the diagram above (eg. sportspeople between "Cricketers" and "People", "Australian cricketers" and "Australian people") --
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I might suggest we precede all the skill names with "Cricket", but it's non-trivial to change it now. So before we create any more, what do people think? --
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into useless lists. If we have a structured categorisation, the lists will be redundant (they are anyway) and readers will easily be able to navigate.
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country and people should not have pages on level 3 either as level 3 is where they split up into countries and occupations respectively.
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that automatically updates weekly to show all articles covered by this project which are marked with cleanup tags. (also available in
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Cricket (in the) media (5) – anything re books, broadcasting, journalism, film, computers, etc. Currently renaming this category.
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Category:Cricket from cricketer bios in a day or two. (and replace them with Category:English batsmen, etc, as appropriate) --
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Cricket culture (2) – standalone repository to capture the miscellany, the peripherals, the trivials, the wider picture, etc.
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Cricket organisation and governance (6) – admin, scoring, venues, comps, equipment, awards, Laws, records, stats, etc.
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Here is a statement which was inserted on the category page. It wasn't appropriate to put so much text there, and now
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Here's how I see Cricket being subcategorised at the moment. Note most of these categories have not yet been created.
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Cricket culture (2) – one-off to capture the miscellany, the peripherals, the trivials, the wider picture, etc.
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Forms of cricket (3) – first-class, Test, local clubs, under-19, etc. – histories of each to be in sub-cats
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Forms of cricket (3) – first-class, Test, local clubs, under-19, etc. – histories of each to be in sub-cats
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Cricket people (7) – players, umpires, writers, administrators, etc – every article to be re an individual
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Cricket people (7) – players, umpires, writers, administrators, etc – every article to be re an individual
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Cricket terminology (10) – standalone repository to be stored directly under root for reference purposes
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Cricket skills (8) – batting, bowling, fielding, keeping, captaincy, umpiring – onfield activities only
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Mmm - I guess we should think about sub-categories (perhaps starting with the classifications used in
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The proposed structure, as described in the various discussion pages is as follows and this will be
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Apart from the two in bold, all the above are existing categories. Apart from the generic article
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would be a reasonable place to start, but amending the existing categorisations is non-trivial. --
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Cricket images (4) – standalone repository to be stored directly under root for reference purposes
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categorisation to stay the same and a bowls categorisation structure to be set up separately, say
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Cricket stubs (9) – standalone repository to be stored directly under root for reference purposes
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Cricket (in the) media (5) – anything re books, broadcasting, journalism, film, computers, etc.
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Cricket terminology (10) – repository to be stored directly under root for reference purpose
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Domestic cricket coverage is needed for Bangladesh, Canada, Kenya, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and
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which aims to expand and organise information better in articles related to the sport of
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Cricket images (4) – repository to be stored directly under root for reference purpose
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We MUST have a top-down structure to categories and we must stop piling things
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I see what you mean about a category being needed for English people who play
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and articles about women's cricket generally especially biographies and tours
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Here are my proposed level 2 categories under the level 1 Cricket "root":
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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Cricket/summary of international tour articles
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Add pictures (and remove template from address requests) in these
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Cricket by country (1) – each country has own cat at level 3 (
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Cricket by country (1) – each country has own cat at level 3 (
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This has become something like Topsy that has "just growed".
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Create articles about 19th century players who are listed in
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for cricketers who have excelled in international cricket.
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A number of lists need to be updated, can be found in
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to which contributions on this page have been moved.
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did play Test cricket! pretty poor record though! --
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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Cricket/Key biographies
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