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reassigned or else have sufficient specific categories already and should not be in a generic category like history. History had eight sub-cats and six of them were cross-cats that were already adequately located elsewhere, especially under the country or competition headings. The other two history cats were small specific items that should both be elsewhere: Olympics under competitions and Years under first-class cricket.
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Level 3 should be the main sub-categories. For example, under skills at level 2 the level 3 cats would be batting, bowling, umpiring, etc. as above. Generally, there should be no pages at level 2 except for the standalone categories like culture, images and stubs. A couple of the level 2 cats like
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The history category is currently under comprehensive review and most if not all articles and sub-cats will be redeployed at more appropriate or relevant locations in the structure, especially under country, people and competition categories. This is subject to handling of the generic history items.
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I'm not convinced there's enough material to warrant further subcategorisation like that. Personally, I'd rather see 100 links in one category about cricket than links to 15 subcategories, each containing 6 or 7 items. If the number gets much bigger, sure, splitting them up could be useful to make it
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Whoa! I see you've started. Before you go too far, I think splitting players by skill is going too far. Who says who qualifies as a batsman or a bowler or an all-rounder? The boundaries are a bit too subjective for my liking. And besides, I'd rather look at a list of cricketers than a list of batsmen
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It has been evident to me for some time that there is no structure to the categories; that there are stray articles all over the place; that categories that were designed for generic items and as "holding categories" for relevant sub-categories are simply being used as additional bases for specific
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It is very important to appreciate the difference between the generic and the specific. This folder is very much generic and so it should not contain pages that are appropriate to specific categories. This principle applies throughout the structure. So, whereas it is entirely appropriate to find
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I'm not going to argue if you have time to sort it all out (!) but surely we also think we need some sub-categories to deal with things other than cricketers. I think we could sensibly organise articles in sub-categories for, for example, bowling, types of cricket, cricket teams, and so on - as I
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I think cricketers should 'not' be included in the
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The worst categories of all are history, teams and Tests which frankly need completely restructuring or demolishing. They are a disgrace and I am especially embarrassed by history as I started it and put most of the original effort into it. History is carrying surplus articles that should be
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Ideally, there should never be more than about a dozen sub-categories under one category at any level (in cricket terms, the limit is the XI with perhaps a 12th man added on!). That being so, the ideal position in this folder is to have a reduced number of categories by means of merger or
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Well it will only be a day or two until most of the subcategories are created. The good thing about specific groups, I guess, is that once someone is in "Australian batsmen" and you want to change some groups above that, you only need to change "Australian batsmen"'s category, not all the
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of this category is to act as the root for the entire cricket hierarchical structure within WP. Using a methodical, structured, top-down approach, it should be relatively easy for any reader or contributor to locate a relevant sub-category at the appropriate level of the structure.
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No rush here, but I have some issues with your categorisation of cricketers. Firstly, I think they ought to be in the top level, e.g. Secondly, I find the terms such as "English bowlers" ambiguous as I think that should be reserved for somebody who plays
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Cricketers subcategory. But the amount of work involved was too daunting for me to start! But by all means, I'm in support of it if you want to get it off the ground. :-) --
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I have already started sorting out much of this mess but I will not change the root category's sub-cats until members have had chance to read this and respond to it. Pending any feedback, I will change the root cat on
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Most cricketers who have existing WP entries have batsman, bowler, keeper or all-rounder in their intro paragraphs. If it's border-line, they're an all-rounder :) If still unsure, just list directly under cricketers!
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