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Comanche, One in a Beech Travel Air and one in a Beech Baron. It is not surprising that the Twin Comanche had a higher number of such crashes as it was used more often as a training aircraft. The FAA performed a series of flight tests on the Twin Comanche and
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Comanche is a low-wing cantilever monoplane with a retractable tricycle landing gear. With tip tanks, the aircraft holds 120 gallons (454 L) of fuel. Fuel burn at typical cruise settings is approximately 16 gal/h (58.7 L/h) with a cruise speed of 165 kn. It easily climbs to 18,000 feet
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818:"Piper Aircraft: a quick history,"
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1067:Peperell, Roger W. (2020).
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204:Piper PA-30 Twin Comanche
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530:General characteristics
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393:PA-39 Twin Comanche C/R
55:more precise citations.
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317:Operational history
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103:General information
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