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Southwest Line

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and President of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry). They criticized the viaduct for jeopardizing the access of ocean-going vessels to their ports and for threatening the safety of navigation on the river in the event of accidental destruction or conflict. They preferred a tunnel but demanded that
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Sixty years of heated debates and no fewer than forty projects (not counting variants) were all in vain because the line was never built. Why wait so long, and then never come to fruition? The difficulties encountered were numerous, and their accumulation explains the failure to build the route:
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to cross the great Normandy River. This 560-meter structure, consisting of an upper deck set at a great height (60 meters) and placed between two pylons, leaving a 400-meter-long sea passage between them, would have offered a fine example of metal architecture near the
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were desperately awaiting the completion of the Southwest Line. But the authorities, and in particular the Ministry of Public Works, seemed to do everything in their power to delay the construction of this line, which would be so useful for the great port of the
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on the other) inveighed against the merits of the project. Articles in one city's daily newspaper always countered those of the rival city. Identical arguments were used repeatedly, each time countered by similar demonstrations. The people of
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Although the project was not officially buried when the announcement of public use was postponed, it looked very much like an abandonment. Studies resumed well after the war but were just as fruitless as before. There was renewed talk of a
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deposits, would have consisted of a 2,500-meter metal tube. The latter, made for one line, would have had a diameter of 5.50 meters, leaving a circle of 5.20 meters available, and would have been formed by joining
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span, with an opening of 350 meters, would have had an air draught of 45 to 50 meters, in line with the requirements of the shipping industry that frequented the port of Rouen.
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The Southwest Line gave rise to numerous projects; here, two line layouts with tunnel crossings of the Seine (downstream), and a third with viaduct crossings further upstream.
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in their port city was insufficient and that it was full of architectural works that were rare in non-mountainous areas (in addition to the Barentin viaduct, there was the
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Political difficulties at two different levels. At the local level, several local notables were accused of maneuvering for personal gain. Mr. Berge, General Councilor of
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town councilors (speaking on condition of anonymity), after inveighing against Rouen's leaders and showering them with insults, proposed a new division of the
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in Table A of the Freycinet project, approved by the law of November 19, 1883, paved the way for in-depth studies. An initial proposal, drawn up by Cordier in
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collapsed. The latter accused the former of acting selfishly to limit competition with the Porte Océane by reducing its outlets. At the peak of the quarrel,
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Map of two variants of the Southwest Line from the Compagnie des chemins de fer de l'Ouest, one with a ferry crossing of the Seine, the other by a viaduct.
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This was only a temporary setback, however, as the last decade of the 19th century saw the emergence of several preliminary projects, spurred on by the
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even further downstream. In addition to its regional significance, the new structure would be one of the links in the transverse connection between
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During the next few years, new studies were carried out, with increasing emphasis on a permanent viaduct or tunnel link for crossing the Seine.
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would have been laid on top of this structure to serve as a crane track for a ferry car whose upper deck was designed to accommodate trains.
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to the construction of an engineering work downstream from their city (a potential obstacle to the navigation of ocean-going vessels up the
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Les chemins de fer d'intĂ©rĂŞt local Ă  la fin du xixe siècle et au dĂ©but du xxe siècle : l'exemple d'un dĂ©partement, la Seine-InfĂ©rieure
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Les chemins de fer d'intĂ©rĂŞt local Ă  la fin du xixe siècle et au dĂ©but du xxe siècle : l'exemple d'un dĂ©partement, la Seine-InfĂ©rieure
673:, based on a north–south rather than an east–west boundary, thus avoiding the enemy sisters ending up in the same administrative district. 1331:(in French). Extract from: 104e Congrès national des sociétés savantes, Bordeaux, vol. 1, 1979, p. 271-284. Bibliothèque Nationale. Paris. 829:, designed to serve the west of the country and relieve the Paris traffic hub, but once again the railroad was excluded from the project. 799:
for the first time, it was intended only for cars, and not for railroads. However, the railroad had shown the way, and the very fact that
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had waned over time, and even the most ardent defenders of the new railroad were growing weary. The 1920s were lost in procrastination;
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by a proposal from Delahante and Girard to build two lines, again for local interest. One would connect the two major cities of
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of wanting to stifle their port by limiting the ability of a certain number of ships to navigate upstream by building a
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The idea of building what would later be known as the Southwest Line undoubtedly dates back to the inauguration of the
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This opposition, which resulted in furious verbal fights between representatives of the two Normandy cities in the
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on a ferry allowing convoys to pass from one bank to the other without breaking the load. A railroad built in the
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The most original and spectacular of these was the preliminary project by Danisy-Martin, submitted in 1895. The
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The Southwest Line often made the front page of local newspapers, as shown here in a newspaper supplement of
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just a few months before being put into service. The inhabitants of Le Havre then realized that the only
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The connection was completed in January 2003. This website also presents the technical specifications.
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station and the banks of the Great River would have ensured the continuity of traffic to the center or
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marked a turning point in the history of the Southwest link: the inclusion of a railroad line from
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in Rouen's harbor at the time, such as the Quevilly, had an under-mast height of over 65 meters.
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regions. This was the first mention of the Southwest Line. This project, too, was abandoned in
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For some sixty years, this railway project mobilized the energies of the region, particularly
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with an overhead structure, while the Southwest Line gradually became a second railroad from
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However, it wasn't until the early 1870s, with the completion of dyking construction on the
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to their port), largely caused the failure of the line and threatened the very unity of the
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to the sea. The route linking the two major cities of Normandy (established on the
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foundation at the bottom, resting on screw piles firmly embedded in solid ground.
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along a route almost identical to Fresson's. In contrast, the other would connect
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or a rail ferry, and of building the line as part of the war reparations owed by
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that remained famous in the memory of the supporters of the Southwest railroad:
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revived the proposals. The first was the registration (under number 43) of the "
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and the growing role of the automobile put an end to Le Havre's hopes. A final
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said at a meeting of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of Rouen on July 7,
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However, it's worth remembering that some of the mixed (sailing and motor)
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While all these projects were technically very interesting, the people of
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This twist of fate put the issue on hold for some time, but two events in
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Two new projects saw the light of day and prompted a public inquiry:
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project, both technically and financially precise, was submitted in
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As soon as the results of the studies were published, the people of
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engineers) suggested the construction of a 6,800-meter tunnel near
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The cantilever viaduct project by Chemins de fer de l'Ouest (1900).
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At the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century, the
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came to an end. Each city, through the intermediary of one man (
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rings 0.50 meters long, assembled from twelve identical plates.
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The first stage from Paris to Rouen was commissioned in 1843.
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using the left bank. Discussions focused on the height of the
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would have been crossed utilizing a submerged bridge, with a
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Although this project was soon abandoned, it was replaced in
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The transporter bridge project by Ferdinand Arnodin (1897).
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The submerged bridge crane roject by Danisy-Martin (1895).
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and the crossing of the Great Normandy river upstream of
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in 1847, the second stage of the radial line connecting
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that the confrontation between the two great cities of
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Seine-Inférieure was renamed Seine-Maritime in 1955.
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La ligne du Sud-Ouest du Hâvre à la Basse-Normandie
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Index


Le Havre
Seine
river
estuary
Le Havre
Upper Normandy
Rouen
Le Havre
Rouen
Seine
Seine-Inférieure
Rouen - Le Havre railroad
Paris
Cauchois plateau
Seine
tunnels
viaducts
Barentin
1846
railroad line
Mirville
Pissy-PĂ´ville
tunnel
Seine
estuary
Tancarville
Canal
1870
railway of local interest

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