277:"I made comparisons between your docks, between your ports, between the way your products are sold. I thought about how humiliating it was for us (not for you, the people of Le Havre, but for us, the French) to think that a great center, a great focus for goods from all over the world, could be reduced to not being able to compete, to not being in direct communication with the north, nor with the center, nor with the west of France, for the sake of a few bands of steel that it lacked. Gentlemen, this is an intolerable situation. I speak here only as an ordinary citizen and I place at your disposal my contribution as an individual and free speaker.But if it depends on me to push this issue, surely you will no longer remain blocked from behind while the sea solicits you from the front".
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President of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry). They criticized the viaduct for jeopardizing the access of ocean-going vessels to their ports and for threatening the safety of navigation on the river in the event of accidental destruction or conflict. They preferred a tunnel but demanded that
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Sixty years of heated debates and no fewer than forty projects (not counting variants) were all in vain because the line was never built. Why wait so long, and then never come to fruition? The difficulties encountered were numerous, and their accumulation explains the failure to build the route:
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to cross the great
Normandy River. This 560-meter structure, consisting of an upper deck set at a great height (60 meters) and placed between two pylons, leaving a 400-meter-long sea passage between them, would have offered a fine example of metal architecture near the
524:" As both solutions seem to be equally expensive, the Chamber unanimously believes that the only acceptable solution is the one that will guarantee the free flow of the river now and in the future, namely, the underground crossing chosen by the legislator in 1883".
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were desperately awaiting the completion of the
Southwest Line. But the authorities, and in particular the Ministry of Public Works, seemed to do everything in their power to delay the construction of this line, which would be so useful for the great port of the
803:, a site repeatedly recommended in the studies of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, was chosen as the site for a river crossing, confirmed the validity of the studies carried out as part of the Southwest Line project. Since then, the inauguration of the
774:, a commune in which he owned a large property (which would have greatly increased in value due to its proximity to the new route). At the national level, the criticism was directed at the support of important figures for the unscrupulous actions of the
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on the other) inveighed against the merits of the project. Articles in one city's daily newspaper always countered those of the rival city. Identical arguments were used repeatedly, each time countered by similar demonstrations. The people of
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Although the project was not officially buried when the announcement of public use was postponed, it looked very much like an abandonment. Studies resumed well after the war but were just as fruitless as before. There was renewed talk of a
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deposits, would have consisted of a 2,500-meter metal tube. The latter, made for one line, would have had a diameter of 5.50 meters, leaving a circle of 5.20 meters available, and would have been formed by joining
337:, advocated an underground crossing of the Seine through a single-track masonry tunnel. However, the difficulty of cutting through the unstable alluvial soil led to the rejection of this solution in
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span, with an opening of 350 meters, would have had an air draught of 45 to 50 meters, in line with the requirements of the shipping industry that frequented the port of Rouen.
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The
Southwest Line gave rise to numerous projects; here, two line layouts with tunnel crossings of the Seine (downstream), and a third with viaduct crossings further upstream.
532:, once again delayed the announcement of the public use of the Southwest Railroad. This postponement prompted private initiatives (Jean Berliet's new metal tunnel project in
460:, that Mr. Baudin, Minister of Public Works, authorized the construction of the railroad across the Seine, seventeen years after the adoption of Table A by his predecessor.
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in their port city was insufficient and that it was full of architectural works that were rare in non-mountainous areas (in addition to the
Barentin viaduct, there was the
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Political difficulties at two different levels. At the local level, several local notables were accused of maneuvering for personal gain. Mr. Berge, General
Councilor of
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town councilors (speaking on condition of anonymity), after inveighing against Rouen's leaders and showering them with insults, proposed a new division of the
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in Table A of the
Freycinet project, approved by the law of November 19, 1883, paved the way for in-depth studies. An initial proposal, drawn up by Cordier in
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collapsed. The latter accused the former of acting selfishly to limit competition with the Porte Océane by reducing its outlets. At the peak of the quarrel,
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Map of two variants of the
Southwest Line from the Compagnie des chemins de fer de l'Ouest, one with a ferry crossing of the Seine, the other by a viaduct.
1194:(in French). Extract from: Actes du 104e Congrès National des Sociétés Savantes, Bordeaux, vol. 1, 1979, p. 271-284. Paris: Bibliothèque Nationale. Paris.
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even further downstream. In addition to its regional significance, the new structure would be one of the links in the transverse connection between
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would have been laid on top of this structure to serve as a crane track for a ferry car whose upper deck was designed to accommodate trains.
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to the construction of an engineering work downstream from their city (a potential obstacle to the navigation of ocean-going vessels up the
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Les chemins de fer d'intérêt local à la fin du xixe siècle et au début du xxe siècle : l'exemple d'un département, la Seine-Inférieure
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Les chemins de fer d'intérêt local à la fin du xixe siècle et au début du xxe siècle : l'exemple d'un département, la Seine-Inférieure
673:, based on a north–south rather than an east–west boundary, thus avoiding the enemy sisters ending up in the same administrative district.
1331:(in French). Extract from: 104e Congrès national des sociétés savantes, Bordeaux, vol. 1, 1979, p. 271-284. Bibliothèque Nationale. Paris.
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had waned over time, and even the most ardent defenders of the new railroad were growing weary. The 1920s were lost in procrastination;
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on a ferry allowing convoys to pass from one bank to the other without breaking the load. A railroad built in the
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The Southwest Line often made the front page of local newspapers, as shown here in a newspaper supplement of
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just a few months before being put into service. The inhabitants of Le Havre then realized that the only
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The connection was completed in January 2003. This website also presents the technical specifications.
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to their port), largely caused the failure of the line and threatened the very unity of the
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foundation at the bottom, resting on screw piles firmly embedded in solid ground.
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that remained famous in the memory of the supporters of the Southwest railroad:
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revived the proposals. The first was the registration (under number 43) of the "
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engineers) suggested the construction of a 6,800-meter tunnel near
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rings 0.50 meters long, assembled from twelve identical plates.
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using the left bank. Discussions focused on the height of the
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Seine-Inférieure was renamed Seine-Maritime in 1955.
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La ligne du Sud-Ouest du Hâvre à la Basse-Normandie
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512:to enter Rouen's docks in the future. This is what
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1224:"LE PONT DE NORMANDIE, UN COLOSSE SUR SEINE"
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1277:"La CCI du Havre se pare d'habits neufs".
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1162:(in French). CĂ©nomane. p. 76.
1046:(in French). CĂ©nomane. p. 75.
1018:(in French). CĂ©nomane. p. 74.
986:(in French). CĂ©nomane. p. 73.
944:(in French). CĂ©nomane. p. 72.
758:and son-in-law of French President
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551:Fives-Lille ferry Project (1904).
474:The second (submitted the French
691:the economic crisis of the 1930s
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384:(fifteen kilometers upstream of
1094:"Le chemin de fer du Sud-Ouest"
1068:"Le chemin de fer du Sud-Ouest"
921:(in French), n° 1989, p. 18-21.
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1325:Manneville, Philippe (1980).
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1100:(in French). June 12, 1900.
770:in favor of the variant via
751:'s traditional port traffic.
1281:(in French). July 30, 2005.
1261:"CONTRIBUTION TUNNEL DE L."
1074:(in French). June 9, 1900.
880:Voie ferrée d'intérêt local
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1243:"Autoroute des Estuaires"
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469:Chemins de fer de l'Ouest
424:railway of local interest
378:Chemins de fer de l'Ouest
244:Chemins de fer de l'Ouest
156:railway of local interest
88:Rouen - Le Havre railroad
82:A long preparation period
1351:Rail transport in France
1314:Brindeau, Louis (1905).
1138:(in French). p. 32.
1132:Brindeau, Louis (1905).
971:(in French). p. 12.
965:Brindeau, Louis (1905).
467:The first (submitted by
35:to the left bank of the
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826:Autoroute des Estuaires
285:Time for great projects
1295:Bertin, Hervé (1994).
1158:Bertin, Hervé (1994).
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