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More importantly, it is roughly 700 words for a prose article where the body is roughly 2,000 words long. There really is no scenario where a prose article should have a lead approaching a third of the length of the body—either the lead needs to be condensed further or the body needs to be expanded.
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I wish you the best of luck with this article in the future, and hope to see it renominated once the issues listed above have been addressed. In the meantime, I'll add some maintenance tags to the article.
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There is some redundancy and self-contradiction in the lead. The lead should very rarely repeat information within itself—it it does, that's a sign that it should be condensed further.
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In 1973, the Association of the Friends of Édith Piaf was formed, followed by the inauguration of the Place Édith Piaf in Belleville in 1981. Soviet astronomer
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as "the waif sparrow" or "the little waif", the infobox gives it as "The Little Sparrow", and the body gives it as " The Waif Sparrow" or "The Little Sparrow".
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The year-span subheadings in the "Career" section are a bit dull. I might suggest subheadings along the lines of "Early career", "World War II", and so on.
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If even half of Olivier Dahan's robust film about Piaf's life is true -- and let's face it, much remains shrouded in myth and mystery
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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is roughly 13,000 words, with a lead of roughly 400 words (and for a more recently-promoted FA example,
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There are several items in the lead that I would expect to be linked, but aren't. Examples include
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The lead jumps back and forth in time a fair amount. The body does this too, to a lesser extent.
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The "Discography" and "Filmography" sections are unsourced, as is the "Biographies" subsection.
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In October 1949, Cerdan flew from Paris to New York City to meet Piaf, however his flight was
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It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include {{
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repeat the birth name (somewhat self-contradictorily) and year of birth needlessly.
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in Paris and worked with Berteaut as a street singer around Paris and its suburbs.
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repeat information about the song and introduce a contradiction about the year.
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she accompanied her father on tours around France performing street acrobatics
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Piaf was partly raised by her paternal grandmother in Bethandy, Normandy.
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was created at the age of twenty, when she started her singing career.
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It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria
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Leplée persuaded Piaf (then known by her birth name of Édith Gassion)
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both introduce the stage name. "Acquited" should also be "acquitted".
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In April 1963, Piaf recorded her last song before her death, titled
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A barrage of negative media attention now threatened Piaf's career.
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which crashed while attempting to land at a stopover in Portugal.
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Despite numerous biographies, much of Piaf's life is unknown.
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could be combined to avoid mention street acrobatics twice.
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likewise has a 400-word lead, for an 8,000-word article).
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Generally, the article needs a thorough copyediting.
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