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Biedrusko Military Base - a vast and totally off limits complex north of Poznań. Now, back to the text, what is the most striking tendency in it? Trying to exonerate SB and to blame Polish soldiers and workers on strike for the bloodbath. Polish soldiers, those from the common draft called from the garrisons throughout the city in the first stage of conflict didn't take part in it; they even sympathized with workers. It's all very well documented. No one has shot nobody, but this part was conveniently omitted by the authors of this article. So who did that? Special forces brought from Biedrusko Army Base with assistance of the so called Russian "advisors" and under command of Russian general did that, but this is also omitted. Instead, full blame is put on Polish regulars, while SB officers fired just a couple of stray shots, and that's it. The only good thing is that the authors of this article didn't include that part from Jastrząb "story book" how the rebels overcame 32 tanks with their bare hands and then started to fire into the crowd. I recommend to rewrite this article completely starting with earlier version similar to present German page. Polish version is a mirror site of this English one and was criticized at length alike but to no avail - see discussion on Polish site - and should be discounted.
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Comandor, Warszawa 2006 - which is a piece of sheer propaganda and shows only one side - SB (Polish equivalent of KGB) side. Dr Łukasz Jastrząb is a very young and fresh baked Dr (PhD) from IPN Institute - a state sponsored agency to research recent history, which is infamous for attracting many so called "new historians" known better as "history revisionists", and Dr Jastrząb is one of them. Just like those who try to rewrite history of holocaust downplaying the numbers or even trying to proof it never happened. He based his research on SB records only, which were partly destroyed and partly doctored, and had concluded after that, that this was the only and infallible truth while all the rest was hearsay including the eyewitnesses statements in the court of law and a part of well cultivated mystery. Just like trying to estimate number of victims of Auschwitz-Birkenau basing on Nazi records only. You would arrive at one million, while the real number stands between four and five million. In Poznań his book was unanimously discredited as sloppy and dishonest, see opinion of Głos Wielkopolski (a Poznań major daily) readers
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Cyrankiewicz did and who came into picture the next day only after Russians sized control. That's why Cyrankiewicz comments abot chopping off hand are NOT relevant here. Basically, this article is more about political power play than of what really happened. Lots of political views which don't belong here, very little, only several sentences regard actual uprising, and even those are interrupted by political comments and are poorly written - a cloudy picture, nothing transparent; that's why was it rated B. Only an expert in Polish affairs would understand something from it. It needs major cleanup until there would be a reason to go forth with additional editing; otherwise this picture darkens even more. I don't want to do that, because if I did, it would trigger invasion of the body snatchers from Polish wiki, I'm afraid.
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Prussian drill, such behavior was perceived as a major slap at his residence and caused a feeling of instability, and thus fear. Environment factory workers was fairly closed and conservative, so the person working in a factory does not necessarily have to realize that the new government came from the east and resulted in a different respect for the law and the citizen. Hence the widespread opinion among Poznan that accidents were backing the June economic and social rather than political. Poznań average does not say in his memoirs about politics and about breach of the contract and order.
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Russian uniforms and into polish uniforms. My mother is 92 and terminally ill. I think her account needs to be known as she was there and is an eye witness. Soon there will be nobody left who remembers this.
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Russian uniforms and into polish uniforms. My mother is 92 and terminally ill. I think her account needs to be known as she was there and is an eye witness. Soon there will be nobody left who remembers this.
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Solidarity put it at 101including names, birthdates and affiliation of the victims (Aula UAM Exposition, June 28
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Rokossovsky needs other sources than those which exist already in wikipedia. He was in charge of all armed forces in Poland and that's enough one needs to know. You don't have to explain what does that mean to an English reader. There's a saying in America "Money talks,
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Cegielski, saw and was spoken to by Russian soldiers who were changing into polish military uniforms and who then led the shooting in which people were killed and which are being attributed to the Polish
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Thank you for welcoming me to edit this page; I understand you're a host here now, but I'd rather not - too many loose ends to take care of and it's your baby anyway. It would be faster to write this article from scratch. However if I was in your place I'd put that Cyrankiewicz line aside, some
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The background to the incidents was the prevailing general impression that in the 50s standard of living was lower than before the war. Nor was there such a law (mainly in the legal sense), which was "too German" (at the time of annexation) and in the interwar period. Arrogance on the part of
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