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I'm going to take a break from this and let you work on the above points. However, overall I'd say that the article needs a pretty thorough copy-edit. I'm aware an article doesn't have to be perfect for GA, but I think this article suffers from a fair few technical problems that currently prevent
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I don't know of any off hand. The fact that it attendance was less likely to be easily obtainable, as well as the fact that preseason stats are in some sense less important (you want to be the best team at the end of the playoffs, not before the season started) were the main reasons why I didn't
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There's nothing in the article about playing style or strategy. How did the Sabres execute their game plan? It mentions in the lead that the Flyers were brawlers; did the Sabres match that strategy, or did they go for a more-open offensive attack? A statistical table alone can't answer these
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Expansion Draft twice. Use chronological order, meaning Intra-League draft is first. And since there is no article, explain what it
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